[Tibs]

The club have been mentally weak for years know…that’s just as big of a problem as the players being shit.

 

[JoseM4]

I take no satisfaction in saying Amorim was just a Portuguese Ten Hag.

The performances have been at best what we saw under Ten Hag which did not give too much optimism unfortunately.

ETH got us 2 trophies. We’re obviously not going to win the Premier League so we need to go for it in the FA Cup and Europa League.

If this means dropping down a few positions in the PL table then so be it.

 

[Will Dance For Chocolate]

A word on Andoni Iraola. I posted on here when we sacked O'Neil and appointed him saying Gary did a job but his obvious limitations made it the right decision even though I knew nothing about the new guy yet.

Turns out to have been a masterstroke appointment.

If you could shoot straight today may have gone differently but I also think we'd have been more aggressive in our press if you had got one back.

 

[Waynne]

100%

Rashford, Casemiro, Lindelof, Mount, Malacia, Evans, Shaw, Eriksen - all need to go for different reasons. Maguire as well, unless he is OK halving his wages. That's a lot of players

That said, if we can sign a decent left wingback in January, that alone can see us playing better. Doesn't mean we will win league or even make top 4, but at least will help being above 8th place. People talk about top 4, and meanwhile we seem visibly unable to move up from f...ing 13th

Solid list of players that need to be moved on. 2 WB's, a CM and a top striker would be good additions. We just have to hope we can move Rashford on to free up the wage bill

 

[Giggsyking]

A word on Andoni Iraola. I posted on here when we sacked O'Neil and appointed him saying Gary did a job but his obvious limitations made it the right decision even though I knew nothing about the new guy yet.

Turns out to have been a masterstroke appointment.

If you could shoot straight today may have gone differently but I also think we'd have been more aggressive in our press if you had got one back.

We gifted you three goals out of nothing. Any team would have beaten us today with our gifts and aim at the target. We couldnt hit the net 2 yards from the goal line.

 

[NewGlory]

Add in Zirkzee and Dalot

Also think that we are relying too heavily on Mainoo, he and Garnacho need to be managed like young players not run into the ground

All true. I consider Zirkzee and Dalot in lower-priority "may need to be shipped" but since they are more likely to have potential suitors than others, we may indeed see them sold sooner than others. That said, it does feel like the club is very serious shipping Rashford and Casemiro off in January, not letting them anywhere near the squad

 

[LittleP14]

Not long got back from Old Trafford. He’s where I am…..

I’m done with those “footballers” this season. That today was an absolute disgrace of the highest order.

No desire to win the ball back, slow, abject, not bothered, no creativity, sloppy - everything that could have done bad, did.

Couldn’t string two passes and couldn’t hit a barn door springs to mind.

Keep Mainoo, Ugarte, Amad and Yoro…. Sell the rest. Really not bothered.

You have to feel for the manager…..

As for Sir Jim….. I wouldn’t pay £66 for my kid to watch the highest of standard football, never mind the premier leagues equivalent of the dog and duck! Shove your ticket pricing structure up your bum!

 

[frostbite]

100%

Rashford, Casemiro, Lindelof, Mount, Malacia, Evans, Shaw, Eriksen - all need to go for different reasons. Maguire as well, unless he is OK halving his wages. That's a lot of players

That said, if we can sign a decent left wingback in January, that alone can see us playing better. Doesn't mean we will win league or even make top 4, but at least will help being above 8th place. People talk about top 4, and meanwhile we seem visibly unable to move up from f...ing 13th

I don't understand why people are constantly mentioning players "that need to go".

All this talk about "deadwood" is completely meaningless in my opinion.

Any player that LEAVES will not make us a better team! Our problem is not that we have players that HAVE TO GO. Our problem is that we do not have world class players. We have spent 600 million and replaced mediocre players with similar or even worse players.

We need a few TOP players. If we want to be a TOP TEAM, we need a few players who are among the best in the world for their positions. We really need 2-3 world class players, there is no other way.

All the players that we have and good for squad players. And all the players that have already left, like McTominay or Fred or Sancho, were good for squad players. We can sell players, if our finances require so, but we are not going to become a better team by selling players! I don't know why some fans focus on selling players, that's not what will improve us.

 

[oz insomniac]

How many signing duds did ETH bring in. Zirkzee is gash, Anthony is indescribable, Mount is invisible. Can give Hojlund some time as he was never played in a creative striker system here. But ETH signings coupled with his poor system for the EPL has set the club back 5 years at least .

Add to that the ongoing financial problems the expensive contracts and extensions under the guidance of Woodward still impacting, it’s obvious there is pain to be felt until Amorim gets more control of the roster. The issues with FFP aren’t helping, that’s back on the numpties in the front office too.

Going to be a long season and not a lot top end EPL action next season it seems.

 

[arthurka]

Tired

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

We don't freaking need to recruit 'top players". We need rather to recruit towards building a top team. Which is by strictly signing the right profile of players for each role in the first XI and the same profile of player as cover. We should go back to being bigger than the sum of our parts first. Just like our conquerors today.

 

[JimiboyX]

We don't freaking need to recruit 'top players". We need rather to recruit towards building a top team. Which is by strictly signing the right profile of players for each role in the first XI and the same profile of player as cover. We should go back to being bigger than the sum of our parts first. Just like our conquerors today.

Nail on head. How would we even go about recruiting "top players" when we're in the bottom half and can't spend anything without selling?

If you look at the current Liverpool/Arsenal sides, they weren't assembled entirely with proven "top players". They definitely benefit from bringing the right players into a strong set-up that is joined-up with the coach and even when the Liverpool coach of nearly a decade suddenly decides to move on, they identify the absolute right replacement and get him straight in.

Guarantee if we had splurged the same money on Mac Allister, Gravenberch, Konate, Szoboszlai etc. then they would not have turned us around one bit and we'd be having the same conversations we are now.

 

[Oranges038]

The 3 goals were amateur level stuff, probably every bit as bad as those given away on Thursday.

1. Needless foul on the wing, Nobody picks the man up properly, free header from the setpiece.

2. Daft foul for a penalty.

3. Two players give the ball away, defender steps up and misses a tackle. Nobody tracks the runner from midfield and it's a cut back and easy finish from 12 yards.

All goals that are easily avoided. Bournemouth created nothing themselves really and were just gifted goals out of nothing situations.

In attack Utd were poor, decision making and finishing leaves a lot to be desired. Id give credit to Bournemouth because I thought they packed the box well and limited Utd mostly to shots from 18 yards. Bruno should have hit the target with a couple of efforts.

Definitely need a left back, striker and inside left attacking threat, because while I thought Bruno did ok there, I'd prefer to see him more central, but I don't think he'll fit well in that central midfield area beside Ugarte. And in the long run, I don't see how he fits as a 10 on the right if Amad is going to be playing there.

 

[SonOfFergie]

It is quite simple really for me. Manager is not the problem as it seems we got a great one. He has a vision, mentality, character and will improve results if club gives him tools. What he inherited is an average squad that will blow hot and cold. Today was an example of bad day at the office. From the moment Zirkzee allows to be pushed aside for a first goal as a big snowflake that he is we are again fighting from a goal down. We had numerous chances to score but didn't take any of them. After half time individual error and we are two down. Again few chances go to waste and Bournemouth that are a well drilled, high pressing side getting results also against tope teams in the league punish us again and it's 3:0 game over and heads dropped. On another day we could scored at least a brace when one down and the game changes. What is important for me is that from what I saw in last few games team has more organization, desire, we are getting in scoring positions. We had double the amount of shots and 60% possession today. xG shows- Man Utd (2.66) 0-3 (1.40) Bournemouth

So the biggest difference for me is how poor we are in attack. You give half a chance to some teams in the league and they score. You give them a full chance and they will score 8/10 times. But if you give United attack chances to score most of the times we will score 2/10 or even worse. Experienced clinical striker is at the absolute top of the priority list and can't come soon enough. Look at Liverpool and Tottenham todays match or Unided vs Tottenham during the week. You give other teams a chance they score. A good example of our wastefulness was Garnacho's run in the second half today when 1:1 with the keeper. You need to put those chances away no excuses. He was fresh from the bench so really should hav scored. In league terms result doesn't really change much. We are 6 points off a fifth place so there is all to play for. But without injecting squad with real quality in attack we will suffer. Outside of Amad who had and off day today we don't have one attacker I would keep at the club long term outside of Hojlund who can be a second striker for now behind a more seasoned striker.

Trust the process. Get the players that will fit the system. Buy a good striker. And results will follow.

 

[Wolfbot]

Nail on head. How would we even go about recruiting "top players" when we're in the bottom half and can't spend anything without selling?

If you look at the current Liverpool/Arsenal sides, they weren't assembled entirely with proven "top players". They definitely benefit from bringing the right players into a strong set-up that is joined-up with the coach and even when the Liverpool coach of nearly a decade suddenly decides to move on, they identify the absolute right replacement and get him straight in.

Guarantee if we had splurged the same money on Mac Allister, Gravenberch, Konate, Szoboszlai etc. then they would not have turned us around one bit and we'd be having the same conversations we are now.

They would, not primarily because of their ability on the ball, but because they are relatively strong, quick and intelligent players along with being decent footballers.

You don't need world class players to be a much better side than we are now. You look at the majority of our players though and there seems to be some sort of significant weakness be it lack of strength, lack of stamina, lack of pace, poor decision making, poor concentration...whatever it may be.

They all have strengths, and not every player can be great, but there's just too many glaring weaknesses in too many of our players for it to become better than the sum of it's parts in my opinion.

So I agree we don't need top players, but we need players that have less noticeable weaknesses in order to play at the level we think we should be playing at.

 

[Josep Dowling]

I don't understand why people are constantly mentioning players "that need to go".

All this talk about "deadwood" is completely meaningless in my opinion.

Any player that LEAVES will not make us a better team! Our problem is not that we have players that HAVE TO GO. Our problem is that we do not have world class players. We have spent 600 million and replaced mediocre players with similar or even worse players.

We need a few TOP players. If we want to be a TOP TEAM, we need a few players who are among the best in the world for their positions. We really need 2-3 world class players, there is no other way.

All the players that we have and good for squad players. And all the players that have already left, like McTominay or Fred or Sancho, were good for squad players. We can sell players, if our finances require so, but we are not going to become a better team by selling players! I don't know why some fans focus on selling players, that's not what will improve us.

Have Liverpool signed a player at his peak in recent seasons? United’s biggest mistake was trying to sign ready made superstars and giving them stupid amounts of money. We are now paying the price with no money left to buy ourselves out of this situation. It’s impossible to buy 2-3 world class players.

United has to build this team slowly and that’s starts by buying younger, hungrier players at a lower market rate, with a mix of decent players that know the Premier League and Bosman signings.

 

[Sea-Cow]

I take no satisfaction in saying Amorim was just a Portuguese Ten Hag.

The performances have been at best what we saw under Ten Hag which did not give too much optimism unfortunately.

I disagree. Under ETH I was constantly grabbing the edge of my seat as the opposition tore away with four or five guys bombing right down the middle of the pitch heading straight for our goal, seemingly unopposed.

Under Amorim we are way more defensively sound and are doing a good job of controlling games and in limiting chances to the opposition. That aspect is much better than it was previously!

However, the attacking play and set piece delivery is just as pathetic as always and we look clueless and often times hilarious as we try to attack teams.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Have Liverpool signed a player at his peak in recent seasons? United’s biggest mistake was trying to sign ready made superstars and giving them stupid amounts of money. We are now paying the price with no money left to buy ourselves out of this situation. It’s impossible to buy 2-3 world class players.

United has to build this team slowly and that’s starts by buying younger, hungrier players at a lower market rate, with a mix of decent players that know the Premier League and Bosman signings.

The two signings that transformed them from also rans to title contenders (VVD and Allison) were both top class established players in their prime. More recently Diaz, Jota, McAllister and Sjobozlai would be a similar profile. Established quality players. The best player at their former club, at their peak as a footballer.

You need a mix in your squad and we’re desperately in need of some real quality in that 24-29 year old category. Defenders aside it’s insane that we’ve really only Bruno and - soon to be gone - Rashford of that age. In fact, I’d argue it’s the single biggest reason we’re such a flaky and inconsistent team.

 

[kerrygold]

How many signing duds did ETH bring in. Zirkzee is gash, Anthony is indescribable, Mount is invisible. Can give Hojlund some time as he was never played in a creative striker system here. But ETH signings coupled with his poor system for the EPL has set the club back 5 years at least .

Add to that the ongoing financial problems the expensive contracts and extensions under the guidance of Woodward still impacting, it’s obvious there is pain to be felt until Amorim gets more control of the roster. The issues with FFP aren’t helping, that’s back on the numpties in the front office too.

Going to be a long season and not a lot top end EPL action next season it seems.

There’s a reason Barrada said they are targeting 2028. There’s a lot of crap on this team that needs removing.

 

[wolvored]

I watched it in a pub abroad and at the end someone said that’s what comes from hiring another manager from a farmers league. I don’t believe that, but Amorim needs to find his best 11 and stick to it. He also subbed the wrong cm off I think. We are useless either end, but the biggest problem is missed chances and we need someone like Osiman in January to come in.

 

[GledTheRed]

Amorim ain't it, serving up ETH levels of shite.

Not buying this he needs time nonsense, the Brighton and Bournemouth managers didn't need time.

Even wolves won 3-0 away today and they'll beat us on boxing day, their manager started about 2 days ago.

 

[gulli_G]

Amorim ain't it, serving up ETH levels of shite.

Not buying this he needs time nonsense, the Brighton and Bournemouth managers didn't need time.

Even wolves won 3-0 away today and they'll beat us on boxing day, their manager started about 2 days ago.

The players are crap, you can get any manager in the world and we will get the same results. Non of this is on the manager, he just is exposing the level of the whole squad.

 

[Cantonagotmehere]

What a bummer. Expecting a rocky road of course, today was a big fecking rock.

 

[GledTheRed]

The players are crap, you can get any manager in the world and we will get the same results. Non of this is on the manager, he just is exposing the level of the whole squad.

We've got some great players, better than Bournemouth and Spurs with an entire defence out that's for sure.

Two terrible results in the last three

 

[BaguetteBoy]

Have to admit players looked gassed today. Crowd wasn’t pleased with Onana understandably so he was slowing down the play all the time. I think so many games this month got to the players. Missed De Ligt massively and can’t blamed Nous he’s been our stand out player so far this season. Even Amad was slowing down and laboured.

 

[gulli_G]

We've got some great players, better than Bournemouth and Spurs with an entire defence out that's for sure.

Two terrible results in the last three

There are only Yoro, Mazraoui, Ugarte, Mainoo, Dialo Deligt United quality. Rest need to vacate either be benched or sold and replaced .

Casimero and Eriksen if younger would also fit in. But all in all There are players at Bournemouth and Spurs who would walk into our team, like Kulukevski and Kerkez.

 

[Superunknown]

Watching the game again on Match of the Day 2: all three goals that we conceded were pitiful. Crap marking for the free kick for the first goal, stupid tackle to give away the penalty, and we stupidly gave the ball away in midfield in such a casual and careless way.

We still should have scored at least 1 goal today. There were chances. But, the issue is that we give goals away too cheaply. We can't keep doing that. Giving away one needless goal means that you have to work twice as hard to just level things up. Concede again, and that multiplies. Amorim absolutely needs to drill that into these players. It's a whole-team responsibility to defend. We need clean sheets.

 

[The Irish Connection]

Didn’t see the match as was out at a family thing (hate missing games no matter what happens), but again sounds like we had chances.
A top striker needs to be prioritized. I would say two top attackers and a lwb are absolutely essential. Just hope we have the money and get the signings right.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Amorim ain't it, serving up ETH levels of shite.

Not buying this he needs time nonsense, the Brighton and Bournemouth managers didn't need time.

Even wolves won 3-0 away today and they'll beat us on boxing day, their manager started about 2 days ago.

Wolves will mostly lose their next game. Likely by the score they won today or more.

They biggest problem with a number of our fans is they confuse standards with expecting pigs to fly.

 

[DuruttiColumn]

Was at OT today and that’s the worse I’ve seen since we got beat 2-0 by Norwich in 1988. There’s 3 attacking players in our system and we are relying on moments of individual brilliance from Zirkzee, Bruno and Amad and none of them are up to it.

Utterly wretched for 95 minutes

 

[Yakuza_devils]

Martinez is becoming a real problem now. Every other match he will have brianfart that cause us goals. He has no speed and no high to be a proper PL centereback. His supposed strength in passing also become shit nowadays. What's he good at?

 

[Florida Man]

Is it me or has Martinez not looked his best self since returning from injury?

 

[Matt851]

Is it me or has Martinez not looked his best self since returning from injury?

By not his best self, do you mean he has been consistently shit?

 

[Matt851]

Unfortunately the 343 creates more holes in a squad that is already full of them. For example not sure mazhroui comfortably fits into rwb or rcb. It makes our left back and centre mid issues even worse

 

[Ole'sgunnarwin]

In the last 10 3-0 results at Old Trafford, 8 of them were for the away team

 

[golden_blunder]

Is it me or has Martinez not looked his best self since returning from injury?

Yep agreed. He looks like he has lost a yard of pace too. Personally I don’t see him as a regular starter if we wanna go top 4

We were brutal today: zirkzee offered no threat, Maz gave away a silly penalty, Mainoo looks every bit an 18 year old kid and is gassed by the 70th minute, midfield in general was off the beat and again sloppy mistakes cost us

I don’t see this as needing to call for amorims head. He’s walked into a shitshow and there is not an instant fix

 

[always_hoping]

In the last 10 3-0 results at Old Trafford, 8 of them were for the away team

Sadly has become the Theatre of Dreams for the opposition.