[Sereques]

The level of complacency is making me sick.

 

[Butty19]

Same old story. We have a real problem converting chances, especially at home and it's cost us so many points. Carrick looked old today and we missed Herrera.

 

[Red Dreams]

think Carrick is done tbh
We will be bringing in a defensive midfielder.

 

[Stacks]

It's Merson's fault. Once he predicted a rout, I knew we would disappoint

 

[Hugh Jass]

Could have done with someone like Van Niestelroy or Hernandez today.

 

[PieCrust]

I thought it was shameful that Ibra wasn't subbed at halftime. I love what he's done so far this season, but today was by far his worst performance and he was very lucky not to see red. He was completely ineffective today and should have been shown the shower at halftime.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Well that was pathetic.

Started off with plenty of chances, very sloppy.
Get a goal in front and give away a stupid penalty.

Bournemouth down to 10 men, can't capitalize.
Even get a penalty and miss that.
Make a triple substitution which has no effect.

Really poor.
Zlatan's worse game for us from the beginning to the end. Jones looked on another planet wasn't with it and most of the others had off days. Martial at least looked as if he was trying to fashion something especially in the first half.

Mourinho's worse game for us too, poor team selection and poor substitions, was all the wrong combination of players and poor tactics. At half-time was worried already and it got worse as the game went on.

 

[Red Dreams]

we all need to calm down.
Heck we won the ELC last week.
so we had an off day for a number of reasons.
Lets focus on the 3 cup matches to come.

 

[villain]

You need to get out more

It took me 10 minutes to calm down, but ok.

 

[Harry190]

I've just noticed we've only won 1 early kick off league game this season.

12:30 - Man Utd 1-2 Man City
12:00 - Watford 3-1 Man Utd
12:30 - Man Utd 4-1 Leicester
12:00 - Man Utd 1-1 Stoke
12:30 - Man Utd 1-1 Arsenal
12:30 - Man Utd 1-1 Bournemouth

Remaining early kick offs that have been confirmed so far are Boro A and Swansea H.

I noticed that. Good to know it's not just crazy talk. Every time I wake up early.

Maybe we are a team of Boniek. We only perform in the evening.

 

[AXVnee7]

What's bizarre is how well we started, we cutting through them so easily and they were all over the shop. I just don't understand how we didn't capitalise on that and give ourselves at least a 2-0 lead.

 

[rollingstoned1]

This result is really a dampener on a whole weekend, very disappointed especially with our so called best players like Pogba and Ibra. What the hell did Jose tell the team at half time that a man up we still looked a whole shade worse than we did in the first half? Our finishing in front of goal and lack of killer instinct in general might see us finishing outside the top 4 and out of the EL soon.

 

[jojojo]

I hoped we'd take Zlatan off at halftime, to remove the distraction of his feud with their defenders and to take some of the righteous energy away from Southampton. And also because his touch looked way off. I think Mourinho chose to keep him on a statement of support, but i think that was because he was distracted by the incidents as well.

Certainly whatever was said at halftime left us worse off. As for the subs that did get made. Yes, I think I do understand the reasoning behind them, but only the Rashford one looked like helping. All the other two seemed to do was send a message to Pogba that it was time to panic.

Incidentally I enjoyed the first half performance, right up until the moment when the ref had to go centre stage. We were awful after that.

 

[glazed]

I think we missed Herrera and Mhiki. But this team should have been good enough to win

 

[Yagami]

I'm sure you've pointed out most of the criticism resulting from this game, but I'm sure you've missed out the main culprit...

Godammit Penna

To be honest, the weight of pressure and expectancy that would loom over you to perform for as big a legend as @Penna would crush me personally. I can cut the team some slack today.

 

[buckooo1978]

didnt see the game apart from the last 30 mins of the first half and this thread is a depressing read

sounds like we threw away pur chances to win it when he brought on Fellaini and resorted to long ball shit?

think in all these draws we've suffered from a lack of quality with the same culprits popping up again.... Rooney, Lingard, Mata, Fellaini, Pogba..... they've lacked that killer instinct and from that list I can only imagine Pogba deceloping it.....

even Zlatan has been disappointing..... fair enough he's phenomenal for a 35 year old, he does things a 35 year old shouldn't but in each of those draws he's missed some great chances..... he's scoring goals like the 3 vrs Watford and the 2 v Saints and this has masked the performance levels which havent been great

i think 3 games with Rashford at 9 might be a nice change of pace in more ways than one....

im hoping in the Summer we are able to bring in 2/3 players who have that killer instinct.... Tevez had it, Ronaldo had it, Ole had it....

 

[Globule]

What's bizarre is how well we started, we cutting through them so easily and they were all over the shop. I just don't understand how we didn't capitalise on that and give ourselves at least a 2-0 lead.

That really is going to be our undoing this season, isn't it. We've just spurned far too many good chances. I keep flip-flopping week-to-week on whether we need a striker in the summer, but if we look back through the season and see how wasteful we've been in front of goal it's much more of a no-brainer.

In the thread about Zlatan possibly leaving, a lot of people say who could we get to replace the goals he's scored, but we shouldn't ignore the amount of chances he's wasted. Would someone else have converted those? Would the side look more threatening all round with someone else linking up the play instead?

 

[AXVnee7]

That really is going to be our undoing this season, isn't it. We've just spurned far too many good chances. I keep flip-flopping week-to-week on whether we need a striker in the summer, but if we look back through the season and see how wasteful we've been in front of goal it's much more of a no-brainer.

In the thread about Zlatan possibly leaving, a lot of people say who could we get to replace the goals he's scored, but we shouldn't ignore the amount of chances he's wasted. Would someone else have converted those? Would the side look more threatening all round with someone else linking up the play instead?

I don't want to criticise Zlatan too much because he's been nothing short of fantastic. But a good point that has been raised has got me thinking- does Zlatan have as many goals as he does because he is our main attacking focal point? There's a case to be made that the majority of our attacking play goes through Zlatan. Now whilst this itself isn't necessarily a bad thing, but does that mean we're stifling the others like Martial? I did point out that he's likely to receive a 3 match ban, so I guess we'll be getting a glimpse soon enough.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

didnt see the game apart from the last 30 mins of the first half and this thread is a depressing read

sounds like we threw away pur chances to win it when he brought on Fellaini and resorted to long ball shit?

think in all these draws we've suffered from a lack of quality with the same culprits popping up again.... Rooney, Lingard, Mata, Fellaini, Pogba..... they've lacked that killer instinct and from that list I can only imagine Pogba deceloping it.....

even Zlatan has been disappointing..... fair enough he's phenomenal for a 35 year old, he does things a 35 year old shouldn't but in each of those draws he's missed some great chances..... he's scoring goals like the 3 vrs Watford and the 2 v Saints and this has masked the performance levels which havent been great

i think 3 games with Rashford at 9 might be a nice change of pace in more ways than one....

im hoping in the Summer we are able to bring in 2/3 players who have that killer instinct.... Tevez had it, Ronaldo had it, Ole had it....

No he played more of a holding role

Nearly everyone had an off day and Zlatan was awful

Poor team selections and substitutions by Mourinho was a major cause, not a good mixture of the players

Let's forget it and move on

 

[JohnnyKills]

Why didn't we try to play football against them man down? Why?

I don't get this either.

Think one of the problems is that Mourinho doesn't have Fergie's skill at chasing a game.

Under Fergie, if things weren't going to plan he would either keep going because he thought it would eventually bear fruit, or bring on someone more creative. He wouldn't launch a big lump up front until the last five minutes - we wouldn't stop playing football.

Mourinho in contrast seems to throw the Belgian plank on as his go-to option. He does it far too early and it generally makes us worse, not better. I thought we were doing ok until Fellaini came on today but after that it was aimless. That's been the story far too often.

 

[hn4manunited]

We did actually have the right mentality to start the game. Looked bright and dangerous.

Jose giving the fringe and fresher players a chance didn't pay off for him. He should be able to depend on them to pitch in when they get the call up but it just shows how poor of a squad we have.

I have said it at the beginning of the season, Carrick's legs have gone. Zlatan didn't look good today. He had one of those off days but I think the entire team did. Martial didn't do enough. Pogba was sloppy and he really should be converting some of those chances. Mata was determined and tried but the others around him were not quite there today. Rooney just shouldn't start. Shaw looked ok today but didn't do enough. Jones looked shakier than before he got injured. The crosses were poor.

To be honest, I had the feeling in the second half that the winning goal was going to come sooner or later. We just looked more frustrated than normal. The game just got away from our players today. Mentally, we lost.

 

[JohnnyKills]

What's fundamentally wrong is Zlatan's inability to finish the easy chances.

He can do the spectacular, but my god he makes some basic striking look beyond him sometimes.

Yeah and the easy stuff is more important than the spectacular.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

Our 2 best players(Ibra and Pogba) had disastrous games, more-so Ibra, but the chances Pogba scoffed at the end. Just how?

Our chance conversion rate has to be the worst in the league. We miss so many easy chances. It will be our undoing.

Subs made us worse and killed any momentum we might have had.

Frustrating draw.

 

[MadMike]

Our 2 best players(Ibra and Pogba) had disastrous games, more-so Ibra, but the chances Pogba scoffed at the end. Just how?

Our chance conversion rate has to be the worst in the league. We miss so many easy chances. It will be our undoing.

Subs made us worse and killed any momentum we might have had.

Frustrating draw.

Because of the missed chances, I feel Mou is escaping some rightful criticism today.

- Putting Fellaini on is fine if you put him in the box for the headers. Putting him in DM makes no sense.
- Taking off Shaw and putting Lingard as left back or LWB (yes that's where he played) makes 0 sense as well.
- Ibra lost his had in the first half, it was obvious to everyone. He was missing chances, not passing the ball, getting into spats with everyone. He should have been subbed

People say we are over-reliant on Ibra. Well why didn't Mou put Martial and/or Rashford up top (centrally) after 55 mins instead persisting with Ibra. If we don't sub him, then yes we are reliant on him.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

Because of the missed chances, I feel Mou is escaping some rightful criticism today.

- Putting Fellaini on is fine if you put him in the box for the headers. Putting him in DM makes no sense.
- Taking off Shaw and putting Lingard as left back or LWB (yes that's where he played) makes 0 sense as well.
- Ibra lost his had in the first half, it was obvious to everyone. He was missing chances, not passing the ball, getting into spats with everyone. He should have been subbed

People say we are over-reliant on Ibra. Well why didn't Mou put Martial and/or Rashford up top (centrally) after 55 mins instead persisting with Ibra. If we don't sub him, then yes we are reliant on him.

I didn't understand the Fellaini thing at all. He should have lumped him forward immediately. Instead, he put him deep where he's not suited to playing at all. We struggled immediately.

Lingaard at left back made no sense either. He was poor there.

And I never agree with people saying Ibra should be subbed off, but this game, he definitely should have been. He completely lost it out there. Wasn't focused enough. Was playing awful.

The subs were terrible.

 

[Sandikan]

We all thought we had a bad day watching it on tv.

But a pal from work had an worse day. Borrowed my tickets, and didn't even get to the game due to car issues! That's a bad day

 

[MadMike]

We all thought we had a bad day watching it on tv.

But a pal from work had an worse day. Borrowed my tickets, and didn't even get to the game due to car issues! That's a bad day

You know what, that's a lucky day for him.

I live in London and the trip to see United and back takes literally the whole day (11 hours incl. game time). So if you spend your whole Saturday to watch one football game and we serve up that shite we did today, you are absolutely fuming. Trust me, he's better off.

 

[SirMattBugsby]

Carrick looked old today and we missed Herrera.

think Carrick is done tbh
We will be bringing in a defensive midfielder.

He was our best player in the first half! Always on the front foot, intercepting and playing penetrative passes. Other than the fact that he couldn't last 90 minutes, I have no idea why you would say that.

Subbing him (and not Ibra or Pogba) was Mourinho's biggest mistake. In fact, all 3 substitutions were unwarranted as Rooney and Shaw weren't that bad either. Wazza was definitely better than Ibra on the day.

 

[RedPed]

Player ratings...Ibra from hero to zero.

Bury that peno Ibra and all would've been forgiven. Just was not to be today. I just hope Jose does the right bit of business come the end of the season.

Couldn't enjoy any of the other games today. Didn't even bother watching the Dippers v Gooners.

 

[Water Melon]

Mou did not help the team with the subs. As many above said, bringing on Fellaini, subbing Carrick off, and keeping Zlatan did not let us improve in the second half against a team that was one man down. Shit happens, we only have ourselves to blame. Europa League is the main competition we should focus on, getting in top 4 will be much much harder than reaching the final in Stockholm.

 

[POF]

The result feels like a devastating blow in the top 4 race. There are times in games when the team is utterly dominant and the lack of urgency to go for the jugular and finish teams off is really worrying. If United got 2-0 up that game would have been over but after scoring the first goal the lack of urgency was incredible.

I am amazed how many are citing Carrick going off as a turning point. That was one of the worst performances I've seen from him in a United shirt. The second half was an ideal game for him but he lacked composure, his passing was terrible and he got booked because he was incapable of chasing a player.

The subs were poor. None of them added anything. Blind and Herrera would have been far better options than Lingard and Fellaini.

When Fergie's United scored those late goals, the key wasn't throwing on lots of strikers. It was building pressure and laying siege to the opposition goal. A tiring defence under lots of pressure will panic and make mistakes. When this United team chases games they are the team that panics.

 

[Celestiale]

Ibrahimovic with the worst single performance i have seen from one of our players this season..even Lord Bendtner would have had a hattrick today in his position...such a shame..such a letdown in the top4 race..

 

[Turkleton]

Wrong tactics, wrong selection, wrong subs. Terrible day.

I don't see the point of spending so much on Pogba then playing him where he isn't suited.
Of our four attacking players, three have no pace and tend to play in the same spaces.
Surely everyone could see that replacing Carrick with Fellaini would severely limit our ability to get the ball moving. Zlatan should have gone off at half time.

This is why we won't win the Europa League, we are determined to throw away every gift of an opportunity.

 

[Witchking]

This is where Jose will fail this season. Last season with absolute boring football, United were almost 4th except for the goal difference. This season Jose has got his required players in the transfer window. If with this team he doesn't get the minimum of top 4, then this season should be considered as a failure if United don't win the EL or the FA cup. It's all good to say the team has improved and stuff, but no champions league next season would be a huge failure.

Times like today are when United should have made inroads in to the top 4 but bottled it. Not Jose's fault other than the stupid subs, but this is his team. Zlatan should have been brought off. I think he is ok to show his anger on players like Shaw, Martial, Mkhi, players who do not complain or make a fuss. If they have a stinker of a game, they are dropped, but Zlatan, Pogba have had games where they did nothing much, yet they do not get substituted or dropped.

Herrera, Mkhi are the most important players for United. Pogba is not even in the top 3 the way he has been inconsistent and found it difficult to do anything against teams like Liverpool, Chelsea, City.

 

[djdhrubs]

Another game unbeaten...

 

[ti vu]

We're awful alright.

This post is solely on point about Bournemouth being a proper coward team. There are dirty teams out there, but they're bold with their approach & live up to their reputation with their head up. This Bournemouth team hides under the notion of a team trying to play the proper way, but when thing gets tough, they either implode or turns to a bunch of cowardice. Stamp when other player is on the ground, clear intentional handball everywhere & still have the nerve to argue, go into tackle cowardly & get away with it , but lie on the ground for minutes on the slightest contact... Such an irritating bunch. A team worthy of celebration in case they got relegated.

 

[MadMike]

Another game unbeaten...

Huggin' that silver lining tight and never letting go

 

[Sultan]

A lot of posters are debating if Zlatan should have been subbed. Zlatan scores goals. Who's to know this was not going to be another day Zlatan would not have come up with a goal?

Hindsight is great.

 

[VeevaVee]

That fecking messed up effort by Pogba at the end

 

[GwynnieJ]

I think if Zlatan gets a red card as well as Surman then we win that game.

Game was dead for us as soon as we scored the first goal though. Such a difference in performance before and after the goal. Mentality seemed to move to a hold on to the lead, rather than increase the lead.

Pogba needs a rest or a slap, not sure which would help. His performance in the second half, along with the Liverpool game were some of the worse I have ever seen in a united shirt in recent years. Desperately need someone along side him high intelligence since he has next to none. Still believe that he can become one of the greats though with time.

Shaw did well after being out of the team for so long, so i am confident when he gets more minutes, he will be back to his best.

Looking more and more likely that we'll need to win the Europa League for qualification to the CL now. Teams above us aren't going to keep giving us chances to overtake them like they have been.