[2 man midfield]

I truly believe that if Martinez and Lindelof were still on the field, we would not have lost the game.

I see alot of improvement in attack when Ramus and Garnacho came on. Hence I am really excited about our future. Just STOP playing Martial!

We’re just lacking some depth. The first team does pretty well for the most part, it’s usually when the injuries stack up that it all goes to shit.

 

[sdb4884]

Perfect timing now we have the International break, more time for injuries...

 

[Annihilate Now!]

I usually get over losses pretty quickly these days ( years of training at this point) - but still smarting over yesterdays.

Could have been such a feckin' great win.

 

[IRN-BRUno]

Every season we seem to find a more heart-breaking way of losing at Arsenal. I thought Garnacho looked just offside live so reigned in the celebration but to then go on and lose from such a poor goal to concede, massively frustrating.

 

[Judas]

Still don't think it was the disaster of a performance the reaction on here is making it out to be. It was very close to a positive measured away result, with a butchered defence.

Do I still think we've a long way to go, absolutely. Do I want to see more positive football from us, absolutely. Am I worried by just how long its taking for a true style to be implemented? Yep. Can I truly understand why so many seem to have shit the bed and yesterdays result has seemingly turned the tide against the manager? Not really no.

 

[JediSith]

Hojlund... Isnt amazing. He's doing the bare minimum of getting the basic right.

If only our front 4 does a little bit of running we'd be a different team.

Let's face it. Hojlund hasnt doing anything extra ordinary last nite. Just stuff striker does every match

Isn’t that what football is about and what United usually struggle with while for teams like City it’s effortless? Yet a young player comes in does it on his debut, there’s a noticeable uptick in our overall play and you write what you wrote. Instead of seeing the potential positives.

I’d argue the last thing this team needs is a player to come in and give Ronaldo Vs Bolton debut. As exciting as that would look.. we already have individual match winners. What we lack are players who can make up a team. That’s why I think ETH has signed players like Mount, Hojlund (wanted to sign Kane), because even when they are not getting the headlines are always doing the basics.

 

[Sky1981]

Isn’t that what football is about and what United usually struggle with while for teams like City it’s effortless? Yet a young player comes in does it on his debut, there’s a noticeable uptick in our overall play and you write what you wrote?

I stand on my opinion, Hojlund did nothing extraordinary last game, just doing the basic rights. Now if only our primadonnas can do just that for a start. We've been shit for so long anyone who runs and press and move abit looks fantastic

 

[Solius]

The reaction from some of the bigger journalists has been a bit embarrassing. Had Garnacho’s goal stood they’d all be saying it was a perfect away performance but fine margins swing it the other way and suddenly Arsenal have lift off and we don’t look like a team. Laurie Whitwell called it a collapse

You’d think they’d be able to take emotion out of it and do their jobs.

 

[Hughie77]

Varane And Martinez need to stay fit, can't go through a season with those 2 in and out.. Lindelof was OK yesterday and to get 84 mins when he was ill and there is new Covid strain going about?
Should never have lost that game in a million years but we did and that's a lesson we need to learn . We're still only on 2nd season with ETH.

Arsenal are into there 4th with lego Pep. And we're not that far behind when all fit.
Still can't understand why Havertz wasn't booked for Simulation after the pen? If that's Rashford there be a inquiry from the Government.. Same old Arsenal always cheating.

 

[Jacko21]

I usually get over losses pretty quickly these days ( years of training at this point) - but still smarting over yesterdays.

Could have been such a feckin' great win.

Yeah, feels like a gut punch. Was a cruel way to lose - particularly because for a brief moment it felt like we were about to turn a corner.

Until we win one of these big away games, there’s a ceiling to what we can achieve. And everybody knows it.

Some small signs of encouragement though.

 

[Dirty Schwein]

The reaction from some of the bigger journalists has been a bit embarrassing. Had Garnacho’s goal stood they’d all be saying it was a perfect away performance but fine margins swing it the other way and suddenly Arsenal have lift off and we don’t look like a team. Laurie Whitwell called it a collapse

You’d think they’d be able to take emotion out of it and do their jobs.

Asking too much mate

 

[Judas]

The reaction from some of the bigger journalists has been a bit embarrassing. Had Garnacho’s goal stood they’d all be saying it was a perfect away performance but fine margins swing it the other way and suddenly Arsenal have lift off and we don’t look like a team. Laurie Whitwell called it a collapse

You’d think they’d be able to take emotion out of it and do their jobs.

It's really quite weird. We conceded two late goals, soft ones, 3rd purely from chasing the game and going for it which we had to do. What we saw doesn't match up with the reaction in the media, and from quite a lot on here. Feel like a lot have been ready to get angry for a little while, and it just boiled over yesterday.

 

[Hughie77]

The reaction from some of the bigger journalists has been a bit embarrassing. Had Garnacho’s goal stood they’d all be saying it was a perfect away performance but fine margins swing it the other way and suddenly Arsenal have lift off and we don’t look like a team. Laurie Whitwell called it a collapse

You’d think they’d be able to take emotion out of it and do their jobs.

You new stuff like that was coming 90+7 90+11 the goals went in ffs . Garnacho 89 disallowed .
They don't see that they get there kicks from the narrative of negativity where Utd concerned. Had a guy on Radio saying EtH hasn't improved utd from Olly? Eth won 42 games last season most a new manager has ever won. They Narrative with Anti utd press pundits will not change.

 

[Lentwood]

We went away to the Emirates and finished the game without Varane, Martinez, Shaw, Malacia and Lindelof + we have Hojlund & Amrabat to come into the team properly in the next few weeks.

We're currently still hamstrung by legacy issues. Lack of quality of depth in key areas. Martial starting at CF. Eriksen playing 90-minutes and forcing us to play a more passive style. We're making progress though. In future away games, we'll see Amrabat and Hojlund.

I think what people need to remember is that we're only 4-games into what I would call "ETH proper". Last season was about survival. ETH did whatever he could do to get that bunch of misfits into the best possible league position he could - and he did an excellent job.

This season is when the real project starts. We're not going to compromise for much longer. It's going to be true ETH football, but it's going to take time for it to click. I personally am encouraged by the progress. It was a shambles against Wolves. Spurs was great for 40-minuted then bad. Forest was very good for 80-minutes. Yesterday was very good for 90-minutes against one of the best teams in the World.

 

[Sunny Jim]

The reaction from some of the bigger journalists has been a bit embarrassing. Had Garnacho’s goal stood they’d all be saying it was a perfect away performance but fine margins swing it the other way and suddenly Arsenal have lift off and we don’t look like a team. Laurie Whitwell called it a collapse

You’d think they’d be able to take emotion out of it and do their jobs.

Collpase? A jammy goal from a home team followed by a counter attack goal....

 

[Pogue Mahone]

The reaction from some of the bigger journalists has been a bit embarrassing. Had Garnacho’s goal stood they’d all be saying it was a perfect away performance but fine margins swing it the other way and suddenly Arsenal have lift off and we don’t look like a team. Laurie Whitwell called it a collapse

You’d think they’d be able to take emotion out of it and do their jobs.

Not to mention the obvious foul on Hojlund which could have still made it a great away performance, even after the offside call. Or if Evans had got a tiny bit more contact on his attempted block. Or not attempted to block the ball at all. It really was a game decided by very fine margins. So different to some of the batterings we’ve taken on the road last season.

Unfortunately, that doesn’t make it any less painful

 

[Ibrahimorich]

Thought we played pretty well all things considered. Could easily have finished 2-0 or 2-1 to us. Sloppy for their equaliser but otherwise a decent performance. Hojlund cameo was good, looks like a handful. Finishing the game with Evans and Maguire is a huge problem though.

 

[reelworld]

Not to mention the obvious foul on Hojlund which could have still made it a great away performance, even after the offside call. Or if Evans had got a tiny bit more contact on his attempted block. Or not attempted to block the ball at all. It really was a game decided by very fine margins. So different to some of the batterings we’ve taken on the road last season.

Unfortunately, that doesn’t make it any less painful

Yeah, but I just feel the fine margins become impactful because we are way too passive and slow. Just look at the final third passes between the 2 teams that was posted earlier. Arsenal can create that final margins count because they kept knocking on our door and we finally collapse.
Before Garnacho disallowed goal, Saka got a brilliant chance that he somehow fluff it when it's easier to score. But Arsenal are able to made that missed chance inconsequential

 

[Salfordlad70]

I haven’t watched the offside goal again. I was too bloody angry at the final whistle. Was it offside? What is the general consensus on here. In my opinion it was on.

 

[justsomebloke]

The reaction from some of the bigger journalists has been a bit embarrassing. Had Garnacho’s goal stood they’d all be saying it was a perfect away performance but fine margins swing it the other way and suddenly Arsenal have lift off and we don’t look like a team. Laurie Whitwell called it a collapse

You’d think they’d be able to take emotion out of it and do their jobs.

Yeah, that's this game in a nutshell - an emotional narrative-shifter. And everything was shaping up for that before the ball was even kicked. With Arsenal having been not good enough to get branded a success but too good to be branded a failure, and United not having been impressive, but steadily improving each game. And the international break coming up, so it's a natural stock-taking moment.

Barney Ronay's an honorable exception to the one-sidedness of the media swing though. Major narrative building on Rice, but what he writes about the actual game is nicely balanced. Arsenal burgle a personality win as Declan Rice shows why he was bought | Arsenal | The Guardian

 

[RuudTom83]

It was a tense game between 2 clubs that won't win the league this year.

Arsenal's trio of Saka/Martinelli/Odegaard has been together for what 3-4 years? and it a real strength of the Arsenal team.

United is still more of a wip. with lots of parts still to fit together.

2-2 would of been a fair result.

 

[Beachryan]

We went away to the Emirates and finished the game without Varane, Martinez, Shaw, Malacia and Lindelof + we have Hojlund & Amrabat to come into the team properly in the next few weeks.

We're currently still hamstrung by legacy issues. Lack of quality of depth in key areas. Martial starting at CF. Eriksen playing 90-minutes and forcing us to play a more passive style. We're making progress though. In future away games, we'll see Amrabat and Hojlund.

I think what people need to remember is that we're only 4-games into what I would call "ETH proper". Last season was about survival. ETH did whatever he could do to get that bunch of misfits into the best possible league position he could - and he did an excellent job.

This season is when the real project starts. We're not going to compromise for much longer. It's going to be true ETH football, but it's going to take time for it to click. I personally am encouraged by the progress. It was a shambles against Wolves. Spurs was great for 40-minuted then bad. Forest was very good for 80-minutes. Yesterday was very good for 90-minutes against one of the best teams in the World.

This is exactly how I feel. A first XI with the actual XI best players in it really could make this all click. I don't understand what fans expect at this stage, other than disjointed football until we have good footballers playing in their correct positions for more than a couple matches.

 

[jasveron]

Positives: Dalot played well on the left, Hojlund is looking like a good target man. Very strong. We also defended quite well, Saka and Martinelli were nowhere to be found for the majority of the game.

Negatives: Eriksen was absolute garbage and it's a shame Amrabat wasn't available today, we should have brought him in way sooner. Martial shouldn't ever start when Hojlund is fit, I don't share this vision of slowly integrating a new player when your other option can't do anything right. And why the feck did he bring in Evans? Was Lindelof injured? Because he was solid today apart from that awkward spinning ball situation.

How was Eriksen garbage in this game? Apart from Arse's first goal, he played very well throughout. One of our best players I think.

 

[gajender]

We went away to the Emirates and finished the game without Varane, Martinez, Shaw, Malacia and Lindelof + we have Hojlund & Amrabat to come into the team properly in the next few weeks.

We're currently still hamstrung by legacy issues. Lack of quality of depth in key areas. Martial starting at CF. Eriksen playing 90-minutes and forcing us to play a more passive style. We're making progress though. In future away games, we'll see Amrabat and Hojlund.

I think what people need to remember is that we're only 4-games into what I would call "ETH proper". Last season was about survival. ETH did whatever he could do to get that bunch of misfits into the best possible league position he could - and he did an excellent job.

This season is when the real project starts. We're not going to compromise for much longer. It's going to be true ETH football, but it's going to take time for it to click. I personally am encouraged by the progress. It was a shambles against Wolves. Spurs was great for 40-minuted then bad. Forest was very good for 80-minutes. Yesterday was very good for 90-minutes against one of the best teams in the World.

Arsenal are no where near one of the best teams in the World .

 

[justsomebloke]

How was Eriksen garbage in this game? Apart from Arse's first goal, he played very well throughout. One of our best players I think.

Agreed. Him, Dalot and Rashford (if mainly for a few golden moments).

 

[jadajos]

Arsenal are no where near one of the best teams in the World .

What are the best teams in the world?

 

[DRJosh]

I thought we played semi-decently given the injuries. But our participation in CL football this season may be the last for a while until we get more depth and offload the deadwood in our squad. Can’t see us making Top 4 this season

 

[BluesJr]

I thought we played semi-decently given the injuries. But our participation in CL football this season may be the last for a while until we get more depth and offload the deadwood in our squad. Can’t see us making Top 4 this season

5th is also fine.

 

[GaryLifo]

That was a horrible way to end the game with Garnacho's goal disallowed and then Rice's goal quickly afterwards and that'll shade a lot of people's thinking.

But you looked very solid up until that point, Rashford's goal was glorious, but the biggest positive for me was Hojlund's debut.

He brings something you've been missing for ages. He caused Gabriel, one of the best contact defenders in the league, huge problems and outmuscled him on a couple of occassions. He looks stong and raw and will scare most defences if he can keep up that intensity for the season.

I thought he was excellent and can transform your attacking options.

Thanks - Funny how it can take an impartial fan to see the sense

 

[DRJosh]

5th is also fine.

Ah yes forgot about the format change. We could just about scrape it then if we’re lucky

 

[GaryLifo]

I shall enjoy seeing Arsenal fans eventually realise they will not even be close to winning the league or CL this season.

They still have a small time mentality that beating United is a major step to winning the league. We're not title rivals any more. When we were, we came out on top on all but 2 occasions (1998 and 2002). We then won another 4-5 titles to their 1 over the next decade

 

[BluesJr]

Ah yes forgot about the format change. We could just about scrape it then if we’re lucky

We’re going to be fine based on yesterday. Confident.

 

[DutchSerb]

How was Eriksen garbage in this game? Apart from Arse's first goal, he played very well throughout. One of our best players I think.

That first goal was a huge error, I don't see how you can give him a pass on that. Also many times where he just jogged when Arsenal went on the break, jogging when he could've recovered easy balls but didn't, jog jog jog. Garbage might've been too rough on him, but I don't see how he was our best player. Just because of that assist? People are easy to please, it seems.

 

[Overhaul FC]

Ten Hag said he took Lindelof off because he was ill....

He managed 84 minutes and we looked good for an away point and decent performance.

Taking him off for Evans, and having a Maguire and Evans partnership from 84mins on cost us.

Lindelof had to stay on for 10 more mins and it was fine.

 

[gajender]

What are the best teams in the world?

Not gonna comment on that but what exactly has Arsenal done to be described as one of the best teams in the World , Let them actually achieve something or even be relevant at European scene before hailing them amongst the best .

 

[justsomebloke]

That first goal was a huge error, I don't see how you can give him a pass on that. Also many times where he just jogged when Arsenal went on the break, jogging when he could've recovered easy balls but didn't, jog jog jog. Garbage might've been too rough on him, but I don't see how he was our best player. Just because of that assist? People are easy to please, it seems.

Not just because of that assist. And your description is exaggerated and one-sided - he battled pretty well in the midfield. He also blocked 5 shots, the most of any United player, and made 6 ball recoveries (no one else more than 7). He was guilty of ball-watching on Arsenal's first goal yes, but it's not exactly an uncommon mistake for the defence to drop in too deep in those situations.

But in any case you don't put him on the field because of his defensive contributions. On the ball, I think he stood out in United's midfield in this one. More touches in the middle third than anyone else, almost as many passes as Casemiro and considerably better accuracy. And that assist, of course.

 

[Oldyella]

I shall enjoy seeing Arsenal fans eventually realise they will not even be close to winning the league or CL this season.

They still have a small time mentality that beating United is a major step to winning the league. We're not title rivals any more. When we were, we came out on top on all but 2 occasions (1998 and 2002). We then won another 4-5 titles to their 1 over the next decade

Small time mentality. Proceeds to talk about league victories from 20 years ago.

 

[Maticmaker]

We had two of those precious 'moments' of play in the game (that Keane/Neville go on about) where we scored the first goal and but for centimetres would have had gone on to score the winner, but the rest of the time we struggled to hold Arsenal.
Casemiro must have felt like one of the defenders at the Alamo, all alone in front of the back four, with Bruno off on his wandering game and Erikson hardly seeming unable at times to catch up with play and to get on the ball, and showing pathetic defending nous, especially for Arsenals first.
Both fullbacks, with support from wingers, did well for most of the time against Arsenal's dual threats down right and left.
The new lad looked up for it and with a game or two under his belt should make a difference up top (any improvement would top Martial's displays) and Garnacho showed his value as a sub later on.

 

[GaryLifo]

Small time mentality. Proceeds to talk about league victories from 20 years ago.

What is small-time about referring to victories from 20 years ago? You could have questioned the relevance of it, but nothing small time about winning things. Arsenal massively over celebrate everything and end up with nothing. I'm pointing out that United are not Arsenal's rivals for the title and so beating United is no longer a marker put down for any team winning the league like it once might have been.

I see plenty of rival fans pointing out United are no longer a threat to anyone, so if that is true, then why celebrate beating United any more than beating another non-title threatening team?

Enjoy Arsenal winning nothing again this season if you must.

 

[Cassidy]

I shall enjoy seeing Arsenal fans eventually realise they will not even be close to winning the league or CL this season.

They still have a small time mentality that beating United is a major step to winning the league. We're not title rivals any more. When we were, we came out on top on all but 2 occasions (1998 and 2002). We then won another 4-5 titles to their 1 over the next decade

Personally think they will win the league and Rice will be a key factor