POLL: Would you take Jose Mourinho (if he accepted the job)

Would you take Jose Mourinho as manager if opportunity arose in future?

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In SAF last season, and especially whit his comments after the United and Madrid match, you could see how bad he wanted the united job, and I was sure that he was going to be appointed the next manager

Then I heard Moyes name crop up with his, and thought theres no way in hell we`d get Moyes, and if we did it would be a disaster, honestly couldnt belive it when it was officialy Moyes

It was funny how same posters who were saying he was shit when rumours job was going to Moyes, all of a sudden changed their stance and where singing his praises and over inflating his achievements at Everton, to convince themselves he was the right man
 
Did not want him when Fergie retired because he is such a drama queen, but after Moyes and LvG, i'm ready for anything and anyone.
 
ForlansHair said:
Which season?

In the two titles we've won post Ronaldo - The 2010/11 season we were the highest scorers and won 1-0 3 times. The 2012/13 season we were also the highest scorers and won 1-0 4 times. 7 out 76 games doesn't seem an awful lot to me.

Mourinho has never been the out and out top scorer in any of his seasons in England - but we're going off on a bit of a tangent here. It merely comes down to whether you are happy to employ a manager who will win at any cost, or take the risk and employ one who wants to win but is determined to try and do it with style. I'd rather risk the second option.
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Mourinho's teams can and do play attacking football. There's this flawed perception of them being cagey to a fault which has been regurgitated so many times that the narrative is already cast in stone. Yes, he has the propensity to metaphorically park the bus when the occasion calls for it, especially in high stake European matches, but so does every successful manager. Pragmaticism and building a hard working base for the side or promoting team work is a requirement at times to gain a tactical advantage vs opponents who might have superior personnel/ form.

Anyway, here are some of the goalscoring stats from his managerial career in the major leagues :

Premier League with Chelsea :

2004/ 2005 : 72 goals scored (2nd highest in the league behind Arsenal who finished 2nd on points).
2005/ 2006 : 72 goals scored (tied for highest in the league with United and we finished 2nd on points).

By comparison our 2007/ 2008 team scored 80 domestically and the 2007/ 2009 scored 68 and we won the league in both seasons. As you can see there's not a major difference in terms of proficiency in front of goal.

Serie A with Internazionale :

2007/ 2008 : 69 goals scored (3rd highest behind Roma and Juventus who finished 2nd and 3rd on points respectively).
2008/ 2009 : 70 goals scored (tied for highest in the league with Milan who finished 2nd on points).

La Liga with Real Madrid :

2010/ 2011 : 102 goals scored (highest in the league, even more than Pep's magnificent Barcelona side that finished 1st on points).
2011/ 2012 : 121 goals scored (highest mark in the 85 year history of La Liga, this is a great accomplishment considering some of the teams that have played in the league).

Premier League with Chelsea :

2013/ 2014 : 71 goals scored (3rd highest in the league behind City and Liverpool but it's important to bear in mind the striking option available).
2014/ 2015 : 56 goals scored so far (tied with City).

So to sum that all up, in about 8 seasons his teams have been the outright highest scorers in 2 seasons, tied for highest thrice, 2nd highest once and 3rd highest twice. Not too shabby by any standards. There is no inherent virtue in being an extravagant 'risk-taker' if the results suffer as a consequence. There's nothing tangible to be gained by losing 2-3 instead of settling for a 2-2 raw. The most important thing a manager can do is alter his approach to suit the personnel (not individuals) he has from the perspective of a team and build positive momentum in terms of results. And that's something Jose is adept at.
 
roykeane19 said:
In SAF last season, and especially whit his comments after the United and Madrid match, you could see how bad he wanted the united job, and I was sure that he was going to be appointed the next manager

Then I heard Moyes name crop up with his, and thought theres no way in hell we`d get Moyes, and if we did it would be a disaster, honestly couldnt belive it when it was officialy Moyes

It was funny how same posters who were saying he was shit when rumours job was going to Moyes, all of a sudden changed their stance and where singing his praises and over inflating his achievements at Everton, to convince themselves he was the right man
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Thing is by that time, Jose had already been shopping for a house in England.....in London.
 
He is a total winner, an outstanding manager and a personality big enough for the job. That is where the problem begins for me, he overshadows everything in every football club he is at- it is the Jose Mourinho show. Could see how sometimes it can be a good thing to take pressure of the players and such like. But it is almost an unhealthy presence he has, even seen in the way the media worships, discusses issues around his teams it is always Jose Mourinho's Chelsea or when their success is portrayed it is seen as his foremost (if that makes sense).

I don't like how he has no thought for the future it is the here and now, success as quick as he can. Resulting in his leaving the clubs he vacates often in a sorry state. Hasn't the patience to develop players opting on sure quality and established players. He spends big too. Bit rich with United's spending in the summer but not happy with that either.

I have never wanted him anywhere near United but I admit that my resolve has weakened the tiniest bit lately. Only a little, he'd do a job in getting the team playing and bring belief. He would also bring a lightness and a more relaxed atmosphere- something that is quite tellingly lacking since Fergie.
 
Invictus said:
So to sum that all up, in about 8 seasons his teams have been the outright highest scorers in 2 seasons, tied for highest thrice, 2nd highest once and 3rd highest twice. Not too shabby by any standards. There is no inherent virtue in being an extravagant 'risk-taker' if the results suffer as a consequence. There's nothing tangible to be gained by losing 2-3 instead of settling for a 2-2 raw. The most important thing a manager can do is alter his approach to suit the personnel (not individuals) he has from the perspective of a team and build positive momentum in terms of results. And that's something Jose is adept at.
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You missed out the 2012/13 season, where he notched up another second highest scorer with Madrid. So, 2 out of 9 seasons he has been the out and out highest scorer. It's not very impressive when you consider he is often the manager of the richest team in the country. This is probably the first time in that time period that he has been outspent since managing at a club. The goal stats for Madrid are impressive though.

I also agree with a lot of the points @Fbh112 has made above.
 
ForlansHair said:
You missed out the 2012/13 season, where he notched up another second highest scorer with Madrid. So, 2 out of 9 seasons he has been the out and out highest scorer. It's not very impressive when you consider he is often the manager of the richest team in the country. This is probably the first time in that time period that he has been outspent since managing at a club. The goal stats for Madrid are impressive though.

I also agree with a lot of the points @Fbh112 has made above.
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Wut ?

Being the highest scorer twice, joint highest thrice, 2nd highest twice and 3rd thrice and always finishing in the Top 3 in terms on goals scored ain't good enough ?

What does out and out highest even mean when we talk about broader perspectives ? His teams essentially were the highest scorers for 5 of roughly 10 seasons. Is scoring 1 more goal as a numerical mark over the course of a season to suit selective and reductive argumentation that big of a deal ?
 
Invictus said:
Wut ?

Being the highest scorer twice, joint highest thrice, 2nd highest twice and 3rd thrice and always finishing in the Top 3 in terms on goals scored ain't good enough ?

What does out and out highest even mean when we talk about broader perspectives ? His teams essentially were the highest scorers for 5 of roughly 10 seasons. Is scoring 1 more goal as a numerical mark over the course of a season to suit selective and reductive argumentation that big of a deal ?
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Not when you are by far and away the dominant team in the country it's not, no.
 
ForlansHair said:
Not when you are by far and away the dominant team in the country it's not, no.
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Eh ?

As an extension of the previous post and in line with your argument, United were the richest or slightly behind Blackburn through the mid 90s to early 2000s and were the dominant team in the country. So let's contrast some of our goal-scoring figures through the decade mmkay ? We were highest scorers 6 times, 2nd thrice and 3rd once. It's essentially a parallel record apart from the largely meaningless "out and out" nuance you're forcing into the argument.

Also, were Chelsea by far and away the dominant team in the league when Mourinho first arrived ? Were Madrid the far and away dominant team when he took charge at the time of Barcelona's relentless dominance ? Really ? Spending power isn't even directly proportional to aesthetically pleasing football.
 
Any day of the week. Best manager in the league and one of the best in the world. Guarantees success.

But feck all chance he's joining us any time soon now. He's put too much work in to that Chelsea team to just walk away without cleaning up everything in sight for a few years (unless he's kicked out).
 
Skills said:
Any day of the week. Best manager in the league and one of the best in the world. Guarantees success.

But feck all chance he's joining us any time soon now. He's put too much work in to that Chelsea team to just walk away without cleaning up everything in sight for a few years (unless he's kicked out).
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I think so too.
I think he's going to be there for a long time and write his own history with that club.
 
Erm, no. I don't like his football, his managerial style or his character. What I want from the team I support is to bring me pleasant emotions and excitement. Not just points and titles.
 
Invictus said:
Eh ?

As an extension of the previous post and in line with your argument, United were the richest or slightly behind Blackburn through the mid 90s to early 2000s and were the dominant team in the country. So let's contrast some of our goal-scoring figures through the decade mmkay ? We were highest scorers 6 times, 2nd thrice and 3rd once. It's essentially a parallel record apart from the largely meaningless "out and out" nuance you're forcing into the argument.

Also, were Chelsea by far and away the dominant team in the league when Mourinho first arrived ? Were Madrid the far and away dominant team when he took charge at the time of Barcelona's relentless dominance ? Really ? Spending power isn't even directly proportional to aesthetically pleasing football.
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So United were top scorers 6 times and Mourinho twice? I'm not surprised. He goes out to wins games and that's that. Doesn't care how it's done.

I said his Madrid stats are impressive. The Inter and Chelsea ones are poor for teams who dominated that league.

I'm not saying spending power is. I have said all along Mourinho is a great manager. He just isn't a United manager. If he had £1 or £100,000,000 to spend he would play the same way - that being a style not befitting a team I wish to support.

This is before I even get into arguments @Scarecrow alluded to - who has hit it bang on by the way. Could you imagine a United manager appearing on Goals on Sunday crying over the referee? Really? We would become Mourinho FC. I can't believe so many people want him.
 
I'd like to point out again, seeing as this was bumped, that the alternatives in the poll are, y'know, flawed or faulty or illogical. If he accepted the job. It says. Well, then the ship wouldn't have sailed, now would it? If we sacks old Louis today and Maureen says, hey, it's me dream - me sweet aul dream - come true, 'course I takes it, then it ain't no ship sailed, is it?

So, for feck's sake amend the title or the poll or whatever. It clearly asks whether you'd take Maureen if he magically became available, not whether it's bloody likely he'd take the job. *

Just pointing it out.

* Unless the implication is that there was some sort of celestial confluence at the time when Fergie retired, under which Maureen could sign the contract, but we're past that now - so, in terms of astrology and numerology and such we can't get him, 'cause it's all over, like.
 
Anyone that voted "No" needs to have their heads checked.
He should have been SAF's successor and anyone would be mad to turn him away now.
Sadly he will probably stay at Chelsea.
Hopefully LvG can turn things around or we find someone else that can, soon.
 
It's pretty sad that as fans we can't get behind our team and current manager and there seem to be so many of these types of threads around. Threads wanking over our rivals manager just makes us look desperate. Rival fans must get a kick out of coming on here right now.

Anybody that thinks Mourinho would come here now is crazy. Mourinho wanted United for one reason only in my opinion and that was because it was the ultimate challenge in management the impossible job taking over from Sir Alex. His ego craved that chance.

The job now of being the 3rd manager after Fergie to get a crack at it while ruining all the work he has done at Chelsea as he would no doubt be hated. Why would this appeal to him?
 
ForlansHair said:
So United were top scorers 6 times and Mourinho twice? I'm not surprised. He goes out to wins games and that's that. Doesn't care how it's done.

I said his Madrid stats are impressive. The Inter and Chelsea ones are poor for teams who dominated that league.

I'm not saying spending power is. I have said all along Mourinho is a great manager. He just isn't a United manager. If he had £1 or £100,000,000 to spend he would play the same way - that being a style not befitting a team I wish to support.

This is before I even get into arguments @Scarecrow alluded to - who has hit it bang on by the way. Could you imagine a United manager appearing on Goals on Sunday crying over the referee? Really? We would become Mourinho FC. I can't believe so many people want him.
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Why are you deliberately trying to misconstrue the point. Tied for the highest number of goals still means he had the highest number of goals which brings Jose's total to 5. Yet you repeatedly undermine that fact with the 'outright highest' malarkey. If he had the lead by scoring 1 more goal that would make him a more attack minded manager ? Really ?

'Just not a United manager' or 'Not befitting a team a team I wish to support' ? See these type of romanticized notions are what inhibit rational thinking.

Amyway there's a sense you've already stonewall made up your mind wrt Mourinho. So there's no point debating it really.
 
ForlansHair said:
Which season?

In the two titles we've won post Ronaldo - The 2010/11 season we were the highest scorers and won 1-0 3 times. The 2012/13 season we were also the highest scorers and won 1-0 4 times. 7 out 76 games doesn't seem an awful lot to me.

Mourinho has never been the out and out top scorer in any of his seasons in England - but we're going off on a bit of a tangent here. It merely comes down to whether you are happy to employ a manager who will win at any cost, or take the risk and employ one who wants to win but is determined to try and do it with style. I'd rather risk the second option.
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Winning is entertainment, remember how we close out shop and be a danger on the counter against Madrid in the CL on SAF"s Final season? Did you call that negative football?

I don't know about you, but I sure as hell are not entertained during our 2 defeats in the final against Barca, regardless of how we tried to play electrifying fast football only to look clueless after the first 10 minutes.

Win first, style later. It's easy to be all style if you don't win anything
 
It's a no brainer, he was the only logical choice when Fergie retired and the only man capable of replacing him instantly. I think he definitely wanted to come as well and thought he'd get the job. A shame we fecked that up as we did. Don't think he'll go anywhere for a while though.
 
With Jose here, all of our youth players would rot, so no.
 
A total embarresment of a thread. Generally the theme around here as of late.
 
I said No because I get the most satisfaction when we defeat his team and he cribs in the post-match conference about umpires, linesmen, crowd and ball-boys!
 
Going to get flamed for this:

Absolutely not. I don't care what he's won or if Ferguson and him get on. He is garbage of a man and below what I could tolerate seeing at the club I love.

Yes, he's been better this season, but I've seen too much of his cap already.
 
adexkola said:
Based on what? He's won little since leaving Inter
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"Mourinho had won every domestic title available for a manager in the Spanish top division within two years. He became the only coach who has won the national Super Cups in four different European countries"

Looking like he'll win the Premier League this season as well imo. He also went on a 45 home unbeaten record (Real and a few games for Chelsea). He is clearly imo the best manager in the world. He wins everywhere and is always there or thereabouts come the end of the season. He's the closest thing to Alex Ferguson in both ability and attitude (lets face it Ferguson was just as much of a muppet in his early days, it was only late on did he mellow out).

Also worth pointing out for those moaning about his youth record that he's benched Cahill in favour of Zouma recently. He also made 19 year old Varane his #1 CB choice for Real Madrid and gave Morata a go. I do think it is one of his weak areas, but I do think he'd have played Januzaj more if he was here. He might not have played the quantity of youth players we've seen come through in the last 2 years at United, but then are any of them really good enough anyway?

I can't see anything wrong in admitting that a rival has a manager you'd want, just like it's fine to admit that players like Hazard, Aguero etc would walk into our first team. Odd people (that wasn't aimed at you btw adezkola, but at the 'embarrassing' crowd)
 
He was the man for the job after Sir Alex retired and he is arguably the best manager in the world right now, so it's a resounding yes. Minus the ability to nurture and develop young talent - something we are hardly renowned for nowadays anyway - he ticks all the boxes required to be a manager here, so I don't see us finding someone more suitable.

He's a serial winner who is proven in all the major leagues bar the Bundesliga and has the personality and character to take on a job of this magnitude. People might not be enamoured by the style of football we would see from him and his approach in certain games, but we would get results which matter above all. Plus, our current manager is the one who set the blueprint for one of the greatest club sides ever playing a spectacular brand of football, but his Manchester United side are just as dour and abject as some of the United teams that preceded his (even Moyes' isn't much worse). Even under Mourinho I can't imagine us being as boring as what we've witnessed the last few years including SAF's final year.

What really frustrates me, is if we made the right appointment with him instead of Moyes where we would be now. I think we'd be in a similar position to Chelsea, perhaps now quite as good.
 
If there was a fantasy forum this thread would belong in it.
 
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