Pogba's says his future is at United and has many years on contract

[Walters_19_MuFc]

Not sure what to believe now.

As long as he gives his all on the pitch, then whatever's going on off the pitch that he can't control doesn't bother me.

 

[diarm]

I don't know usernames or make lists, so sorry if you felt caught up in what was a bit of a generalisation.

No I didn't feel caught up in anything. I was just trying to figure out if I think you're a hypocrite or not.

This nonsense again? LVG was a great character, and 20-years ago, a great manager too. By the time he arrived at United he was well past his sell by date. Your ridiculous attempt to credit LVG for United's victory over Tottenham was embarrassing. LVG tried, failed and ultimately abandoned 3 at the back. He could not make it work and gave up. Attempting to use LVG's failure for a victory under another manager, 2-years later is absurd.

LVG bought and sold poorly as United manager. He sold players he might have been better advised to keep and brought in only one great player in Martial, some decent players in Herrera and maybe Rojo, some squad players in Blind and Romero and a string of expensive disasters from Angel Di Maria, to Falco via Morgan Schneiderlin, Memphis Depay, Luke Shaw, Victor Valdes and Bastian Schweinsteiger.

Let's give him credit for turning to Rashford. There were other options, but LVG took Giggs' advise and gave him a shot. What he ultimately left though, was a team without a spine and who's only success in 2-years was scraping past Palace in an FA Cup Final and a string of great results against some top sides in his first season. Those results, it would later turn out, were a complete anomaly and were the result of using another system which he would again later abandon.

I liked LVG, he should go down as a great manager, but not for Manchester United. The 4 signings Mourinho made when he started were key, as were two of the three he made this summer.

I know you're like a dog with a bone on this point, but it's time to let go.

 

[.Rossi]

Who cares if your a match going fan or not? I'm a born and bred Mancunian and I go to matches, does that make my opinion more valid than others? Of course not.

With regards to Pogba disrespecting he club, that's subjective but the quotes in this thread have been proven to be wrong yet you've just run withwhag the original story said despite being told different on numerous occasions. You even accused another poster of lying just to get one over on you come on mate. If you don't like the guy that's fair enough but at least use a valid reason to have a pop. Like i said, the attitude you're showing in this thread is compeletwly toxic. Yet you have he nerve to call out others about not supporting the club properly.

So you can give Scholes a pass because it didn't come out until later. Do you not see how illogical that is?

And yeah I do disagree with Fergie, not the end of the world (who was also trying to keep him at that point).

To the underlined part, check the Mourinho out thread and tell me if I have a nerve or not?

Me being a match goer is not about my opinion being right or wrong or more valid than anyone else's. I have been wrong many times! That was aimed at you calling me a toxic and poisonous supporter, which was absolute bullshit!

The Scholes thing doesn't get a pass at all. Same way I was critical of Lukaku if the rumours are to be believed over the FA cup final! Scholes was very wrong and was rightly fined and disciplined. I mean't was, it came out years later, after he retired so, it's hard to get emotional over it, considering looking back on all he had given us in comparison

 

[.Rossi]

I think you really need to calm down.

I think my last sentence in that post is very accurate

 

[bonothom]

Really wish they'd sell him. Bored of these pathetic cryptic messages he keeps making. Let's take the money and buy a player who wants to play for the club and get rid of someone who obviously wants to play elsewhere. His game isn't suited for the Premier league anyway, fannying about with the ball and then falling over expecting a free kick is probably more suited for the sedate pace of Spain and Italy.

 

[Ace of Spades]

I am just sick of it.

The half hearted performances, the attitude, the interviews, the agent on Twitter.

The guy can be a great player but, he has bought into this hype and I firmly believe now that he will never the player we all know he can be.
Great players are Messi, Ronaldo, Zidane, Xavi, Iniesta, Pirlo, Viera, Keane, Scholes...Pogba is nowhere near any of them! KDB, Sane, Salah, Hazard...Well below their level

On top of that, he's taking the piss out of the club!

I want us all to be pulling in the same direction, back to the top! I don't want some half arsed mardy arse slowing us down.

"I will always give 100% to the club"

OK Paul, but when?

Do you have any proof that he isn't giving 100% to the club. The performances can be criticized, but not the effort. It does not look to me that he does not put any effort, even if his performances have not been as good as we hoped.

Also, it's ironic that some of your examples are KDB (whose attitude was questioned by Jose), Sane (who is being benched because of attitude problems currently), and Hazard ( who gave no fecks in Jose's last season at Chelsea). Also, Messi and Ronaldo can be quite lazy as well in their 'efforts', but they usually come up with the goods, something that Pogba is failing at.

 

[.Rossi]

Do you have any proof that he isn't giving 100% to the club. The performances can be criticized, but not the effort. It does not look to me that he does not put any effort, even if his performances have not been as good as we hoped.

Also, it's ironic that some of your examples are KDB (whose attitude was questioned by Jose), Sane (who is being benched because of attitude problems currently), and Hazard ( who gave no fecks in Jose's last season at Chelsea). Also, Messi and Ronaldo can be quite lazy as well in their 'efforts', but they usually come up with the goods, something that Pogba is failing at.

If that is him putting in 100%, then Juventus had us over a barrel. The Pogba I want to see is the one against City, Arsenal, Boro, Ajax. Not the one we see every other week..The mere fact I can remember those performances is alarming

Messi and Ronaldo are still levels above Pogba and KDB, Sane and Hazard have excelled so far in the premier league and Pogba hasn't!

 

[Devil may care]

You mean match going fans like me? You need to get a grip and f**k off wit that shit! I've spent a lot of money travelling to see this club, home and away, in 30 years! I don't need to take that kind of shit from the likes of you or anyone. I support my club and I am damn well proud to support it and no player is changing that

This is great and more power to you, sincerely, but it doesn't make you a better fan or give you the right to insult other fans support of the club because they don't share your view on this topic, there are lots of fans that would like to be able to see the team live every week but life just doesn't make it possible for many fans for a myriad of reasons, it doesn't mean they care less or their view has less value. I mean right now if you wanted to be utterly hardcore then Pogba and Mourinho going would be best all round, they both display bad attitudes constantly, they both go against the grain of the clubs ethos with their public digs, and both are offering nothing in moving us in the right direction in terms of how we play and the mentality with which we play.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

If that is him putting in 100%, then Juventus had us over a barrel. The Pogba I want to see is the one against City, Arsenal, Boro, Ajax. Not the one we see every other week..The mere fact I can remember those performances is alarming

Messi and Ronaldo are still levels above Pogba and KDB, Sane and Hazard have excelled so far in the premier league and Pogba hasn't!

Which is why he isn't world class. He has world class moments, but world class players do that on a regular basis. To me he looks the part off the pitch, but does not produce enough on it. He used to take loads of shots as well, but isn't as much now.

 

[JPRouve]

Which is why he isn't world class. He has world class moments, but world class players do that on a regular basis. To me he looks the part off the pitch, but does not produce enough on it. He used to take loads of shots as well, but isn't as much now.

I remember the time where it was blasphemy to say that. I said it at the time and will say it again, Pogba wasn't worth +90m and still isn't, I like him but not to that point.

 

[OL29]

To the underlined part, check the Mourinho out thread and tell me if I have a nerve or not?

Me being a match goer is not about my opinion being right or wrong or more valid than anyone else's. I have been wrong many times! That was aimed at you calling me a toxic and poisonous supporter, which was absolute bullshit!

The Scholes thing doesn't get a pass at all. Same way I was critical of Lukaku if the rumours are to be believed over the FA cup final! Scholes was very wrong and was rightly fined and disciplined. I mean't was, it came out years later, after he retired so, it's hard to get emotional over it, considering looking back on all he had given us in comparison

Im abroad at the moment and the
internet is shit so I'm not going to look at the Mourinho out thread but I'll check it out later.

Ok fair enough about the match going thing but you're attitude in this thread is toxic, you can't go around talking about supporting the club then hate monger over an interview that's been proven to be manipulated and sensationalised.

 

[Ace of Spades]

If that is him putting in 100%, then Juventus had us over a barrel. The Pogba I want to see is the one against City, Arsenal, Boro, Ajax. Not the one we see every other week..The mere fact I can remember those performances is alarming

Messi and Ronaldo are still levels above Pogba and KDB, Sane and Hazard have excelled so far in the premier league and Pogba hasn't!

Nope, the only thing this proves is that he has been inconsistent in an inconsistent team, nothing more. He may not have had many great performances, but he also has not had many awful performances. The problem is that he is average to good too many times, when the money we paid for him means that he should be doing better and be a standout performer in the team. The point remains, that the issue is not 'effort' but 'performances', an issue that is all too common with all of our players.

 

[Robbyb03]

With every passing game, Pogba reminds me more of James Milner than any world class player (Zidane, Scholes, Iniesta, etc.). He runs around the pitch to the point of exhaustion, but 90% of the time he accomplishes almost nothing. He surely isn’t worth his transfer fee, his antics aren’t needed, and he isn’t the captain this team needs.

 

[SER19]

He did deserve it for some games most definitely, Everton away when he gave the penalty in 90 something minute the one I can remember right away.

Ya but every player has those moments. Rashford at the weekend. Van nistelrooy pen miss v arsenal. Giggs open goal,v arsenal. There’s one or two for every player. Fellaini just gets hate and venom and an internet designed reputation of how he even plays.

 

[Fracture90]

I could understand the moral outrage if we had Fergie still, but we have a manager that has disrespected the club and it's traditions and has publicly shit on a number of players, he's set the tone of not keepng things in-house. We don't know what has gone on between them on the training ground or behind closed doors and right now Pogba is forgetting this, he's acting like we have all seen whatever it is that has upset him so much.

I do think part of it is the way Martial was treated over his baby birth with the fine, but Mourinho is on a political charm offensive right now, for 2 years he's not given a shit about the fans or the clubs traditions, suddenly he does and he's out there pressing palms and kissing babies which just makes Pogba's current attitude come off as petulant and beligerant, he needs to be wiser and give "no comment" answers.

This is probably the most accurate thing in this whole thread.

Either way it goes when manager and players squabble amount each other, it's the club that pays the price in the end.

But selective memory when it comes to manager is truly shocking.

 

[.Rossi]

This is great and more power to you, sincerely, but it doesn't make you a better fan or give you the right to insult other fans support of the club because they don't share your view on this topic, there are lots of fans that would like to be able to see the team live every week but life just doesn't make it possible for many fans for a myriad of reasons, it doesn't mean they care less or their view has less value. I mean right now if you wanted to be utterly hardcore then Pogba and Mourinho going would be best all round, they both display bad attitudes constantly, they both go against the grain of the clubs ethos with their public digs, and both are offering nothing in moving us in the right direction in terms of how we play and the mentality with which we play.

Again, I wasn't saying that to get at anyone or to make me better than anyone because I'm not. We're all the same!

I said that in response to someone who called me a toxic and poisonous supporter

 

[MackRobinson]

I think my last sentence in that post is very accurate

I'm not trying to pile on you but I think if you would said something like "The quotes attributed to Pogba may be incorrect but I still feel he doesn't respect the club or give 100% because of ...." or something of the sort, posters would be less inclined to have negative reactions towards your posts in this thread. However you came out extremely defensive after it was revealed that quotes were mistranslated/faked and I feel the discussion spiraled out of control from there.

Just my $.02. Carry on.

 

[.Rossi]

Im abroad at the moment and the
internet is shit so I'm not going to look at the Mourinho out thread but I'll check it out later.

Ok fair enough about the match going thing but you're attitude in this thread is toxic, you can't go around talking about supporting the club then hate monger over an interview that's been proven to be manipulated and sensationalised.

By the same token though, you can't go around labelling someone world class and being respectful of the club when it's been proven he hasn't been thus far

 

[Frank Grimes]

I'll leave you with some wise words:

You are definitely reading too much into it. I've known people to have a purely professional relationship with their bosses and stick in a job for a while. I have many co-workers who I wouldn't hang out with outside of work but our professional relationship is f

The only naive one here is you and people like you who actually fall for mistranslated quotes from the media and get your knickers in a twist because of some pathetic pre-existing agenda. Pogba has no obligation to think about how his quotes will be twisted by agenda driven morons in the media and the internet. If people stopped being outraged by every piece of nonsense that comes from the media, then the media will feck off once they don't get the reaction that they want.

I am not saying that everything is perfectly fine, but I certainly don't think the situation is bad enough to get this much amount of outrage out of this. The Shaw situation should show that things can just as easily resolve after a while.

It's not a first instance. It's a pattern of disruptive behaviour. I can only give someone the benefit of the doubt so often. You will see in time and will feel very naive for supporting him, mark my words.

 

[MackRobinson]

With every passing game, Pogba reminds me more of James Milner than any world class player (Zidane, Scholes, Iniesta, etc.). He runs around the pitch to the point of exhaustion, but 90% of the time he accomplishes almost nothing. He surely isn’t worth his transfer fee, his antics aren’t needed, and he isn’t the captain this team needs.

James Milner is the antitheses of Pogba.

 

[Fracture90]

Ya but every player has those moments. Rashford at the weekend. Van nistelrooy pen miss v arsenal. Giggs open goal,v arsenal. There’s one or two for every player. Fellaini just gets hate and venom and an internet designed reputation of how he even plays.

Fellaini gets a lot of stick because what he's doing isn't enough mate. Sure he can be useful to break opposition attacks, can be useful in the air but he's extremely limited.

When we start him we're basically resorting to long ball football because of his poor passing and poor mobility so we can't exactly play quick football, with quick passing. He's always a liability due to his extremely rough (some may say dirty) way of playing and he's always making them dumb fouls in opposition box.

That's from the footballing side, but other big thing is that he reminds us of Moyes who bought him.

 

[.Rossi]

I'm not trying to pile on you but I think if you would said something like "The quotes attributed to Pogba may be incorrect but I still feel he doesn't respect the club or give 100% because of ...." or something of the sort, posters would be less inclined to have negative reactions towards your posts in this thread. However you came out extremely defensive after it was revealed that quotes were mistranslated/faked and I feel the discussion spiraled out of control from there.

Just my $.02. Carry on.

I'm not fully on board with these quote being mistranslated just yet tbh

Not an agenda but, it's still being reported it's what he said. Only place I'm seeing where it's not, is on here

 

[OL29]

To the underlined part, check the Mourinho out thread and tell me if I have a nerve or not?

Me being a match goer is not about my opinion being right or wrong or more valid than anyone else's. I have been wrong many times! That was aimed at you calling me a toxic and poisonous supporter, which was absolute bullshit!

The Scholes thing doesn't get a pass at all. Same way I was critical of Lukaku if the rumours are to be believed over the FA cup final! Scholes was very wrong and was rightly fined and disciplined. I mean't was, it came out years later, after he retired so, it's hard to get emotional over it, considering looking back on all he had given us in comparison

Im abroad at the moment and the internet is shit so I'm not going to look at the Mourinho out thread but I'll check it out later.

Ok fair enough about the match going thing but you're attitude in this thread is toxic, you can't go around talking about supporting the club then hate monger over an interview that's been proven to be manipulated and sensationalised.

By the same token though, you can't go around labelling someone world class and being respectful of the club when it's been proven he hasn't been thus far

i never said he's world class? I never even said he's not disrespected the club ever, I just think you're blowing this particular interview out of proportion.

 

[EyeInTheSky]

If false quotes are being attributed to him all over the press the club needs to respond aggressively.

Nothing short of a retraction and apology or legal recourse will do.

 

[MackRobinson]

I'm not fully on board with these quote being mistranslated just yet tbh

Not an agenda but, it's still being reported it's what he said. Only place I'm seeing where it's not, is on here

Hence why I said "may be incorrect". Posters like @JPRouve (who speaks French) translated the video interview and confirmed the translations were inaccurate. It takes nothing to acknowledge what you thought he said might be incorrect while still holding your point of view that he's not United material or whatever.

 

[OL29]

To the underlined part, check the Mourinho out thread and tell me if I have a nerve or not?

Me being a match goer is not about my opinion being right or wrong or more valid than anyone else's. I have been wrong many times! That was aimed at you calling me a toxic and poisonous supporter, which was absolute bullshit!

The Scholes thing doesn't get a pass at all. Same way I was critical of Lukaku if the rumours are to be believed over the FA cup final! Scholes was very wrong and was rightly fined and disciplined. I mean't was, it came out years later, after he retired so, it's hard to get emotional over it, considering looking back on all he had given us in comparison

Im abroad at the moment and the internet is shit so I'm not going to look at the Mourinho out thread but I'll check it out later.

Ok fair enough about the match going thing but you're attitude in this thread is toxic, you can't go around talking about supporting the club then hate monger over an interview that's been proven to be manipulated and sensationalised.

By the same token though, you can't go around labelling someone world class and being respectful of the club when it's been proven he hasn't been thus far

i never said he's world class? I never even said he's not disrespected the club ever, I just think you're blowing this particular interview out of proportion.

 

[MackRobinson]

I'll leave you with some wise words:

It's not a first instance. It's a pattern of disruptive behaviour. I can only give someone the benefit of the doubt so often. You will see in time and will feel very naive for supporting him, mark my words.

I'm not supporting him in this thread (even though I'm admittedly a fan of his game). I'm just pointing out saying he has a strictly professional relationship with the manager isn't anything to criticize him for. Not every manager/player relationship will be on personal terms.

 

[Devil may care]

Again, I wasn't saying that to get at anyone or to make me better than anyone because I'm not. We're all the same!

I said that in response to someone who called me a toxic and poisonous supporter

Sorry, I was pairing what you said in response to that poster with the earlier post you made saying you can see the true fans by those that back the manager over the player. I disagree with that in this case due to the behaviour of the manager also being far from stellar, the actions of both in the press have been self serving and a negative to the club IMO.

 

[Inter Yer Nan]

Probably based on "My future is at United. I have a long contract" they spin it this way.

 

[OL29]

To the underlined part, check the Mourinho out thread and tell me if I have a nerve or not?

Me being a match goer is not about my opinion being right or wrong or more valid than anyone else's. I have been wrong many times! That was aimed at you calling me a toxic and poisonous supporter, which was absolute bullshit!

The Scholes thing doesn't get a pass at all. Same way I was critical of Lukaku if the rumours are to be believed over the FA cup final! Scholes was very wrong and was rightly fined and disciplined. I mean't was, it came out years later, after he retired so, it's hard to get emotional over it, considering looking back on all he had given us in comparison

Im abroad at the moment and the internet is shit so I'm not going to look at the Mourinho out thread but I'll check it out later.

Ok fair enough about the match going thing but you're attitude in this thread is toxic, you can't go around talking about supporting the club then hate monger over an interview that's been proven to be manipulated and sensationalised.

By the same token though, you can't go around labelling someone world class and being respectful of the club when it's been proven he hasn't been thus far

i never said he's world class? I never even said he's not disrespected the club ever, I just think you're blowing this particular interview out of proportion.

 

[AshRK]

Pogba can never become a great player with his agent bossing him around. He is too attached to riaola. I would sell him for the right offer. Now it's time to not make the same mistake we did after selling Ronaldo. If he is going to barca then ask for dembele plus cash. Nothing less than £150m . Feck barca I say.

 

[.Rossi]

Im abroad at the moment and the internet is shit so I'm not going to look at the Mourinho out thread but I'll check it out later.

Ok fair enough about the match going thing but you're attitude in this thread is toxic, you can't go around talking about supporting the club then hate monger over an interview that's been proven to be manipulated and sensationalised.

i never said he's world class? I never even said he's not disrespected the club ever, I just think you're blowing this particular interview out of proportion.

Ha not you. I was referring to others saying that.
It's not this particular interview, it's everything all adding up over the course of the calendar year

Hence why I said "may be incorrect". Posters like @JPRouve (who speaks French) translated the video interview and confirmed the translations were inaccurate. It takes nothing to acknowledge what you thought he said might be incorrect while still holding your point of view that he's not United material or whatever.

I'm not disputing it's incorrect at all. In fact, I've asked why are the media reporting it this way.
I'm just saying I'm on the fence now whether or not he's said that, given his last two interviews

 

[JohnnyKills]

Looks like teams are figuring out how to play agains Paul Pogba (Germany now!). It's no secret anymore. Get a midfield tight to him, pressure him, stick one on him, don't let him get his head up, let him drift out of dangerous position as his indiscipline from his youth days sets in.. take him out of the game.

He even gets outmuscled by players half his size. He doesn't have the stomach for England. Proper pansy ala Veron.

Let him go to Spain and look like a world beater, that will prove nothing. He is the most overrated United player I've ever seen... and United fans are guilty of it.

I've been saying it for years.. get rid of these pansy foreigners Pogba, Martial etc and get our British identity back.. then I think we have a chance to compete and win trophies again !

This is sarcasm right?

 

[JohnnyKills]

Fellaini gets a lot of stick because what he's doing isn't enough mate. Sure he can be useful to break opposition attacks, can be useful in the air but he's extremely limited.

When we start him we're basically resorting to long ball football because of his poor passing and poor mobility so we can't exactly play quick football, with quick passing. He's always a liability due to his extremely rough (some may say dirty) way of playing and he's always making them dumb fouls in opposition box.

That's from the footballing side, but other big thing is that he reminds us of Moyes who bought him.

This

 

[hn4manunited]

Folks need to have a good dab of skepticism when it comes to what is being reported these days. There's no longer ethics when it comes to news/journalism/etc. I will continue to listen to and trust what is being shared by official club media. If you can't support what is being said by the club, you need to take a break from the club until you can. Life's too short

 

[Posh Red]

This is sarcasm right?

Think it must be some sort of parody account. The poster just seems to go around generalizing about non-British people in various threads.

 

[Ace of Spades]

I'll leave you with some wise words:



It's not a first instance. It's a pattern of disruptive behaviour. I can only give someone the benefit of the doubt so often. You will see in time and will feel very naive for supporting him, mark my words.

It is not disruptive behaviour, just some comments that you have chosen to draw some exaggerated conclusion from. No matter what happens in the future, it does not change that you are getting worked up on mistranslated quotes right now, and that make you a very naive person.

 

[Eriku]

We are subject mistruths and deception on a daily basis. You have to question how long and how widespread these deceptions have been. I know as a Muslim we've been on the end of many such narratives. We have known over many many doctored, slanted and complete lies. There needs to be at some point, we as a society have to say enough.

Most of us are too busy to investigate the truth. I understand reporting news can be complicated and mistakes do occur. However, it's when these are purposely twisted, or just fabricated is the problem. Stop clicking on their websites. The press is taking us for granted and too average and unintelligent to question the truth. It is repulsive.

A special thank you and credit to our French-speaking posters for bringing misquotes to our attention.

Seconded! We all hate that the media can generate a ton of income and attention through stomping on our club, and yet we all play into their hands, helplessly clicking every contentious headline.

 

[Affirmation]

Interesting

 

[Cee90]

Thing is, even though he has been misquoted, what he actually said isn't exactly great either is it?