Pogba's contract offer

MUW4Eva said:
Of course he can do however he wants, however he seemed to be heavily linked with Raiola, especially contract negotiations, so I was just wondering who is doing all of that now for him, that was all.
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Good question. I can see that Mino Raiola (RIP) was not a one man band indeed: he has left the boutique to his lawyer partner Rafaela Pimenta (now acting as the boutique leader) and to his own cousin Enzo Raiola (who is the players’ main contact). Of course, we can expect a sizeable shake-up because Mino’s personality was the main driver, yet Pogba, De Ligt and all the players are not without representation for sure.

EDIT: Juve is indeed negotiating with Pimenta for Pogba, De Ligt, Kean and Pellegrini. She was in Turin last Monday.
 
Bepi said:
Good question. I can see that Mino Raiola (RIP) was not a one man band indeed: he has left the boutique to his lawyer partner Rafaela Pimenta (now acting as the boutique leader) and to his own cousin Enzo Raiola (who is the players’ main contact). Of course, we can expect a sizeable shake-up because Mino’s personality was the main driver, yet Pogba, De Ligt and all the players are not without representation for sure.

EDIT: Juve is indeed negotiating with Pimenta for Pogba, De Ligt, Kean and Pellegrini. She was in Turin last Monday.
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Ahh many thanks for all of this, it just seems to have not been reported all that much, about Rafaela Pimenta, and the change of agents for his now former clients.
 
bosnian_red said:
PSG were in for him but he wanted Juve. Also how is 29 reaching his peak? By every measure he's at the end of peak age, and his performances have visibly dropped off from his actual peak too like normal for his age.
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Pogba hasn't really put on a lot of miles over the last 6 years. He now has a decade of top level experience and still has his physicality to really excel over the next few years. Over the last decade, a lot of players have reached a world class level in their early twenties, yet they've gone up another level around their late twenties.

Sure, his metrics don't indicate that and I put that on his mentality rather than his legs going away.
 
MUW4Eva said:
Can anyone help to de-confuse me please, if anyone wanted to sign Pogba this summer, who would they be negotiating with, seeing as his former agent died recently??

Would there be no agent fee involved, or has he got a different agent now, if so, does anyone know who it is??
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Apparently Raiola did the public talking and this lady Lawyer since 17 something year back with him did literally everything of substance, she is now the head of the agency.
 
He'll still speak with Erik Ten Hag before signing any contracts. He is a talented player, but has definitely become injury prone.
 
Unsurprisingly none of the very best clubs went hard for him. Back to a serie a team in transition
 
What a pointless transfer. I though he would at least go to Madrid or PSG. Just shows you how muddled his head is.
 
For the price that Juve was going to pay him, I honestly won't mind him staying, provided we still strengthen midfield. He can be useful as part of a rotation.
 
jackal&hyde said:
I think he probably has enough offers actually. The PSG thing would be understandable if they get Zidane, but apart from that, I see him back at Juventus where he showed he can be a star, in the right setup. His wages though, safe for PSG, will probably be lower then what we offered him. He is an incredible talent but also has major downsides. A team must build their mid to support his lack of tactical awareness and discipline or else he becomes a liability.

I don't think I can remember another CM that can be as polarizing in performances based on the team structure as Pogba. Maybe Zidane if he played today in a mid 3 would be similar but at least Zidane had that "hard" nature about him while Pogba is a bit of a softy when things don't go his way.

All in all, a luxury type player that would have probably been fantastic if we had a prime Matic and a prime nr. 8 working hard to create the platform for the flair player that he is. Just another example of how poor this team was build under the Woodward era.
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I wonder if it will go as well as both parties expect?

You know the sort of thing where it's best if you never go back trying to recapture a period of time from years ago.

He's changed, the League's changed and Juve has changed. Either way I'm glad he's gone, I'm actually starting to feel genuine optimism with the extent of changes that's happened.

Total outsider as interim manager, no club legends. Board level changes to refocus our core business - playing football!
Starting to see the club applying an overall strategy or philosophy to how it should play football instead of it being entirely on the whim of the current manager.

Bring it on!
 
babablue said:
For the price that Juve was going to pay him, I honestly won't mind him staying, provided we still strengthen midfield. He can be useful as part of a rotation.
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No. Just no. His attitude and ego is reason enough to get rid
 
Pintu said:
He played there before. He would be the star and at the center of their rebuild project with Chiesa, Vlahovic... Ambition and less pressure. It makes sense.
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He’s already returned to a club for unfinished business. That didn’t turn out too well.
 
Wish him the best. Some of the stick he got from certain swathes our fans made me ashamed to support us at times. It felt like it had sinister undertones.
 
Blood Mage said:
He's lucky to be a part of a great international team because his club career has been a joke. All the best Paul, thanks for wasting everyone's time including your own.
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You know he won several titles with Juve right? Including an unbeaten season I think.

if anything he will think he wasted 6 years at United.
 
When's the earliest he can be officially released?

A quick google search tells me that PL clubs announced their released lists on June 3rd 2021 last year
 
babablue said:
For the price that Juve was going to pay him, I honestly won't mind him staying, provided we still strengthen midfield. He can be useful as part of a rotation.
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Hes not good enough for the top level, we need better.
 
Hammondo said:
Hes not good enough for the top level, we need better.
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That's not strictly true, though.Pogba was one of if not the best midfielders in the world before his return to United. He claimed multiple league titles with Juve and 2 Serie A PotY awards. He also won the world cup with France.

I don't know what went wrong for him at United, but it's probably not entirely down to him. He wasn't coached effectively during Jose's and Ole's tenures - the fact not a single United player showed any sign of progression during that period is proof of that.

He may have an attitude problem; he posts too much shite on his instagram/twitter accounts, often at the wrong time, like after a defeat for example. I also think he allows himself to get easily influenced by those around him.

All said and done, I feel the club failed him as much as he failed the club.
 
Random Task said:
That's not strictly true, though.Pogba was one of if not the best midfielders in the world before his return to United. He claimed multiple league titles with Juve and 2 Serie A PotY awards. He also won the world cup with France.

I don't know what went wrong for him at United, but it's probably not entirely down to him. He wasn't coached effectively during Jose's and Ole's tenures - the fact not a single United player showed any sign of progression during that period is proof of that.

He may have an attitude problem; he posts too much shite on his instagram/twitter accounts, often at the wrong time, like after a defeat for example. I also think he allows himself to get easily influenced by those around him.

All said and done, I feel the club failed him as much as he failed the club.
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He was never close to the best midfielder, not in the conversation.

He has 0 serie A POTY awards.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serie_A_Footballer_of_the_Year

He was never that good for France or Juve, it was just a myth that Pogba fans seem to have made up.
 
A three year contract is surely not what he was wanting at 29, after picking up a lot of injuries. I guess it’ll give him one more chance of moving on a free transfer at 32.
 
Dan_F said:
A three year contract is surely not what he was wanting at 29, after picking up a lot of injuries. I guess it’ll give him one more chance of moving on a free transfer at 32.
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Do clubs often give more than that for 29-30 years old players?
 
Random Task said:
That's not strictly true, though.Pogba was one of if not the best midfielders in the world before his return to United. He claimed multiple league titles with Juve and 2 Serie A PotY awards. He also won the world cup with France.

I don't know what went wrong for him at United, but it's probably not entirely down to him. He wasn't coached effectively during Jose's and Ole's tenures - the fact not a single United player showed any sign of progression during that period is proof of that.

He may have an attitude problem; he posts too much shite on his instagram/twitter accounts, often at the wrong time, like after a defeat for example. I also think he allows himself to get easily influenced by those around him.

All said and done, I feel the club failed him as much as he failed the club.
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Never seen a player with so many excuses made for him, going back to Juve tells us everything we need to know about the player. Barca, Real & Bayern have zero interest in him.
 
DanClancy said:
Never seen a player with so many excuses made for him, going back to Juve tells us everything we need to know about the player. Barca, Real & Bayern have zero interest in him.
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So if Bayern, Barca or Real don't sign you then you are a lesser player?
 
JPRouve said:
So if Bayern, Barca or Real don't sign you then you are a lesser player?
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I mean, by all accounts the wage offers he is getting are not that high considering the complete lack of transfer fee and Barca are broke so looking for cheap options and Real can easily afford him. Why aren't they after him if hes so in demand. Few players will choose Juve over RM/Barca/Bayern if they come knocking.

Fantastic player in the right team in the right league but hes nowhere near motivated enough for the PL and doesn't have the capacity to be a big player in a less than stellar team. I'm sure he will be good for Juve again but that won't change my opinion of him. In the France team he is surrounded by ridiculous quality and international football is a slower pace which suits him.

As long as he isn't here come the start of next season I couldn't care less really where he ends up. Seems like a nice guy, just not United material.
 
Hammondo said:
He was never close to the best midfielder, not in the conversation.

He has 0 serie A POTY awards.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serie_A_Footballer_of_the_Year

He was never that good for France or Juve, it was just a myth that Pogba fans seem to have made up.
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I don't think people regularly watched him with Juve or even France. An extremely talented player who undoubtedly had great games, but he was never the heartbeat of either team. He just isn't that kind of player. If the team is good, he'll look good. But he's not someone who can improve a side through his mere presence.

I think at the end of the day, we just expected the wrong things from him. Good luck to him wherever he ends up but he's not going to be missed here.
 
Yeah, it is an underwhelming return for all parties involved: the player, because he thought better of himself; Juventus, because it shows how deep they fell from the top in just 5 years; and United, because their lack of success at club level still diminishes almost any player joining them.
 
Random Task said:
……Pogba was one of if not the best midfielders in the world before his return to United. He claimed multiple league titles with Juve and 2 Serie A PotY awards. He also won the world cup with France.…….
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No he wasn’t really.
At Juve, he was a young kid, breaking into a very good team, filled with top players, particularly in midfield.
He definitely shone and attracted a lot of attention and plaudits during those 4 seasons, being rated a top midfield prospect.
The claims he was one of the best midfielders in the world were premature and typical of the hype that surrounds such up and coming talent.

He came back to us at 23 and has now spent most of his senior playing career (the last 6 seasons) at Utd.
Now at 29, with a terrible injury record, he’s noticeably lost a lot of the energy and drive we saw, when he was that young kid.
Any new contract, with Juve or whoever, will take him into his early thirties and close to retirement.
 
mctrials23 said:
I mean, by all accounts the wage offers he is getting are not that high considering the complete lack of transfer fee and Barca are broke so looking for cheap options and Real can easily afford him. Why aren't they after him if hes so in demand. Few players will choose Juve over RM/Barca/Bayern if they come knocking.

Fantastic player in the right team in the right league but hes nowhere near motivated enough for the PL and doesn't have the capacity to be a big player in a less than stellar team. I'm sure he will be good for Juve again but that won't change my opinion of him. In the France team he is surrounded by ridiculous quality and international football is a slower pace which suits him.

As long as he isn't here come the start of next season I couldn't care less really where he ends up. Seems like a nice guy, just not United material.
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We have no idea about what he offers any players get or don't get, so we can't really claim that x isn't after y. But in theory, not all players even good ones are a target for all clubs, because there is a matter of timing and profile. I don't really know why Real Madrid would want to sign Pogba when they already have veteran players as starters and the next generation backing them up, they need someone closer to the age of Valverde and Camavinga. Barcelona's main issue are wages and the ability to register players, they need to reduce their wage bill and sell players, signing Pogba isn't a great idea when you have Pedri and need to reduce your wage bill, even if they sell De Jong they need someone that is a good fit next to Pedri, Gavi and Busquest which isn't Pogba. The same pretty much applies to Bayern who have their midfield pairing set, they don't need a 29 years old player and Germany isn't the most attractive destination.

And that's of course ignoring the fact that they may not rate him, may worry about his injury record or that the player may not be interested in any of these clubs.
 
I'll miss the version of Pogba from 2016-2019, I won't miss the version of Pogba that came after that.
 
Hammondo said:
He was never close to the best midfielder, not in the conversation.

He has 0 serie A POTY awards.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serie_A_Footballer_of_the_Year

He was never that good for France or Juve, it was just a myth that Pogba fans seem to have made up.
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I can't stand Pogba and want him gone but regarding the part in bold. He made the Serie A team of the season 3 years on the bounce before we signed him so he must have been pretty damn good for Juve.
 
I really don't see how signing for juventus is that much of a step up to united with the current situation on and off the field, I think he is going back to them purely because he has a fragile ego and needs to be somewhere where he can play in his comfort zone which serie a is for him and will not receive harsh criticism like he would if he was at say united, Barca or madrid
 
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