Pogba's contract offer

[JPRouve]

Didn't this happen when he rejoined us as well? The guy cares more about his hair than fecking football.

Do you make the same remark for the vast majority of players that have clean haircuts every days of the year?

 

[Zlatattack]

3 year contract at Juve. Just goes to show how little footballing worth he has left.

 

[Random Task]

He was never close to the best midfielder, not in the conversation.

He has 0 serie A POTY awards.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serie_A_Footballer_of_the_Year

He was never that good for France or Juve, it was just a myth that Pogba fans seem to have made up.

Yeah, it's been years since I checked his Juve stats. I should have said: he made Serie A team of the year on multiple occasions, but he never won PotY.

He's mostly performed well for France i the games I've seen him in. He won young player of the tournment in 2014 and followed that up by being named in the team of the tournament 2 years later.

Never seen a player with so many excuses made for him, going back to Juve tells us everything we need to know about the player. Barca, Real & Bayern have zero interest in him.

I'm not making excuses for him, I'm as equally disappointed in him as the next United fan, but I don't think his failure is as black and white as many think.

Just think of all the big name/big money signings (relatively speaking) made by our club post-Fergie, and you'll quickly discover that none of them managed to make any real impact. Pogba, Di Maria, Falcao, Bastian (won't attempt his Surname), Miki, Sanchez, Memphis, AWB, Lukaku, Lindelof, Bailly, Maguire, Fred, Martial, the list is near-endless. Varane and Sancho were mediocre last season to put it mildly.

The law of averages suggests at least one of them should have been an outright success. But no, not a single one. It makes no sense. Clearly, something is very wrong at the club, be that bad management, poor coaching or a lack of, no leadership from top to bottom, the wrong managers, etc. Pick your poision, they're all factors to one degree or another.

tldr;
Yes, Pogba failed, but so did every other signing post-Fergie. The only real success is Bruno, and let's be honest, he just had a terrible season too.

 

[JPRouve]

He's mostly performed well for France i the games I've seen him in. He won young player of the tournment in 2014 and followed that up by being named in the team of the tournament 2 years later.

Pogba didn't perform well for France until 2016. People largely wanted him benched before the tournament started.

 

[Random Task]

Do you make the same remark for the vast majority of players that have clean haircuts every days of the year?

Pogba's incesant tweeting is part of the issue for me. It rubs fans up the wrong way to see him smiling and larking about on social media after the club just suffered yet another major defeat.

 

[Random Task]

Pogba didn't perform well for France until 2016. People largely wanted him benched before the tournament started.

Meh.

I'm clearly not good at remembering things.

 

[JPRouve]

Pogba's incesant tweeting is part of the issue for me. It rubs fans up the wrong way to see him smiling and larking about on social media after the club just suffered yet another major defeat.

Pogba doesn't tweet often, let alone incessantly. If that's what people have an issu with then there is something genuinely wrong with them, especially when you don't have to follow him.

 

[haru krentz]

3 years contract when youre 29 is a bad deal. I guess Real Madrid and PSG were never really interested then. Quite ironic considering how often Pogba thinks hes above manchester united just because he won a WC.

 

[DanClancy]

Yeah, it's been years since I checked his Juve stats. I should have said: he made Serie A team of the year on multiple occasions, but he never won PotY.

He's mostly performed well for France i the games I've seen him in. He won young player of the tournment in 2014 and followed that up by being named in the team of the tournament 2 years later.



I'm not making excuses for him, I'm as equally disappointed in him as the next United fan, but I don't think his failure is as black and white as many think.

Just think of all the big name/big money signings (relatively speaking) made by our club post-Fergie, and you'll quickly discover that none of them managed to make any real impact. Pogba, Di Maria, Falcao, Bastian (won't attempt his Surname), Miki, Sanchez, Memphis, AWB, Lukaku, Lindelof, Bailly, Maguire, Fred, Martial, the list is near-endless. Varane and Sancho were mediocre last season to put it mildly.

The law of averages suggests at least one of them should have been an outright success. But no, not a single one. It makes no sense. Clearly, something is very wrong at the club, be that bad management, poor coaching or a lack of, no leadership from top to bottom, the wrong managers, etc. Pick your poision, they're all factors to one degree or another.

tldr;
Yes, Pogba failed, but so did every other signing post-Fergie. The only real success is Bruno, and let's be honest, he just had a terrible season too.

Pogba has had 6 seasons and I can't recall him having one good consistent season so thats on him not the club. Plenty of players have very good seasons although most have struggled for consistency.

 

[Woodzy]

Do you make the same remark for the vast majority of players that have clean haircuts every days of the year?

No, I only make that remark about players that look like they don't give a shit when they play but look like they have put a considerable amount of thought into their haircut.

 

[Random Task]

Pogba doesn't tweet often, let alone incessantly. If that's what people have an issu with then there is something genuinely wrong with them, especially when you don't have to follow him.

I wouldn't say it was the overriding factor, but it definitely contributes to the negativity surrounding him. Look at the reaction in this thread when he tweets his latest hair-do or odd training techniques - often following a loss - they're almost always negative. It makes him look like he couldn't care less that the team just lost 4-0 again. If we were winning or at least performing well, nobody would care.

Personally, I couldn't care less what he does on social media in fairness, but not everyone feels that way.

 

[clarkydaz]

3 year contract at Juve. Just goes to show how little footballing worth he has left.

probably get 12 months footy out of him

 

[Big Ben Foster]

Don't think he'll be great at Juve this time around. Pogba is the type of player who's useful when you already have a strong midfield, as Juve did during his first spell there. He's not somebody you build your midfield around.

 

[Random Task]

Pogba has had 6 seasons and I can't recall him having one good consistent season so thats on him not the club. Plenty of players have very good seasons although most have struggled for consistency.

I'd say plenty of players have had average/mediocre seasons, like Pogba, but very few have had good seasons. Bruno had one exceptional season where he literally tore it up but has dropped off markedly since then.

 

[JPRouve]

I wouldn't say it was the overriding factor, but it definitely contributes to the negativity surrounding him. Look at the reaction in this thread when he tweets his latest hair-do or odd training techniques - often following a loss - they're almost always negative. It makes him look like he couldn't care less that the team just lost 4-0 again. If we were winning or at least performing well, nobody would care.

Personally, I couldn't care less what he does on social media in fairness, but not everyone feels that way.

I'm looking at the reactions and they are moronic. And let's be clear about something, you started the all thing with claiming that he tweets incessantly which is wrong, he has something like a dozen of tweets in the last two months, you then use the reactions of what can only be described as idiots because for some strange reason, they are the first to know when Pogba or anyone they dislike posts something which is suspicious in itself.

 

[::sonny::]

Didn't this happen when he rejoined us as well? The guy cares more about his hair than fecking football.

His raison d'etre, the hair + dressing like a rapper

 

[::sonny::]

Do you make the same remark for the vast majority of players that have clean haircuts every days of the year?

And they dress all like rapper/trappers

 

[Random Task]

I'm looking at the reactions and they are moronic. And let's be clear about something, you started the all thing with claiming that he tweets incessantly which is wrong, he has something like a dozen of tweets in the last two months, you then use the reactions of what can only be described as idiots because for some strange reason, they are the first to know when Pogba or anyone they dislike posts something which is suspicious in itself.

Okay, you don't like "incessantly". Replace the word with whatever you like man, it's all good. 12 tweets in the last couple of months is plenty enough though - without being incessant of course.

It's not just the number of tweets but the content too. The fans don't want to hear about his latest hairstyle or how many kickups he can do when the team is reeling from another defeat. Maybe if he tweeted that his performance was unacceptable, and was a contributing factor in said defeat, the fans wouldn't mind so much.

 

[JPRouve]

Okay, you don't like "incessantly". Replace the word with whatever you like man, it's all good. 12 tweets in the last couple of months is plenty enough though - without being incessant of course.

It's not just the number of tweets but the content too. The fans don't want to hear about his latest hairstyle or how many kickups he can do when the team is reeling from another defeat. Maybe if he tweeted that his performance was unacceptable, and was a contributing factor in said defeat, the fans wouldn't mind so much.

There is nothing special about the contents and if the fans don't want to hear about his latest hairstyle they have the freedom to not follow him on social media, it's as simple as that, what do people expect from a footballer twitter or instagram account, why people follow things that they will without a doubt complain about? What is wrong with people these days?

I get sent to his tweets or instagram posts through haters that complain about it, I don't follow him and don't care about any of is posts but some of you are really special.

 

[el3mel]

Pogba does care about his brand name and popularity more than his performance on the pitch. Has been obvious for a long time. Don't forget that Liverpool game when we had his emoji everywhere on the Old Trafford while the guy was stinking the place and giving away ridiculous pen.

He wasn't like that when he was a kid but it became worse when he became well known.

 

[Deleted 112447]

I wonder if it will go as well as both parties expect?

You know the sort of thing where it's best if you never go back trying to recapture a period of time from years ago.

He's changed, the League's changed and Juve has changed. Either way I'm glad he's gone, I'm actually starting to feel genuine optimism with the extent of changes that's happened.

Total outsider as interim manager, no club legends. Board level changes to refocus our core business - playing football!
Starting to see the club applying an overall strategy or philosophy to how it should play football instead of it being entirely on the whim of the current manager.

Bring it on!

Yeah, good points. I guess the main thing is not so much about the league itself, although it does matter a lot, just look at Lukaku, Abraham and Smalling, but about Juve knowing what type of animal Pogba is and how you get the best out of him; we clearly had no clue.

He can still be a WC player imo if the right set up is in place and if he focusses on it. Is it actually still worth building your mid around him though, and for astronomical wages? That I'm not so sure.