Pogba

You'd think we were playing controlled midfield/maestro like football without Pogba, and when he comes in, only then do we fall apart in the middle :lol:

Liverpool, City, even fecking Watford were running rings around us without Pogba on the field.
 
Amar__ said:
As poster above said, if I look this game as him being a winger or for his attacking contribution then it's a great game. However as a midfielder that was far from great performance, there's more to midfield than just dribbling around the pitch. We've lost every midfield battle in past 4 games he's been a starter, and it's quite obvious why, his passing is very inconsistent and he doesn't bring much about controlling the match or helping the defence.
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We've actually been playing a lot better since he's been back in the team compared to before. How can anyone seriously argue that we've been worse in the last 4 games compared to earlier? Just look at any sort of stats, xg or whatever and it's pretty obvious.

Funny you say we haven't won any midfield battles, but how about when he wasn't playing and we were getting dominated by Newcastle and Norwich? I guess some of you just see what you want to see...
 
MackRobinson said:
It’s weird how fans expect Pogba to perform like KDB and Kante all at once
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Has been like that since he rejoined. He has to make the goals, give the assists but also defend and control. If he doesnt do all of that he is shit, eventhough there is no player in the world who does all those things. Usually that is a job for 3 midfielders... yet Pogba is supposed to do all of it by himself.
 
villain said:
You'd think we were playing controlled midfield/maestro like football without Pogba, and when he comes in, only then do we fall apart in the middle :lol:

Liverpool, City, even fecking Watford were running rings around us without Pogba on the field.
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Then they can say he's atrocious defensively, no arguments, but to call that a moments performance is straight acrobatics. We've officially left the realm of objectivity and fairness here.
 
crossy1686 said:
No, they're both not good enough to be starting for United consistently, so it's not even fair to compare them to Pogba's level and what he can do. And I never said "in comparison to McTomminay or Fred" in anything I said so I don't know why you're bringing them into the conversation. I'm merely discussing Pogba and what he does during a match.
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My point is saying this in a Pogba thread whilst McFred exist isn’t really addressing the issue at its most imperative point. I think Pogba should probably go [though I don’t agree with your 2 pace argument] but Mcfred are a far more pressing issues. I just think the rhetoric around Pogba frankly stinks, he’s had a good performance & quite a number of posters have caveated praise with criticism.
 
Thought he was very good today. Still not arsed about whether he signs a new contract though.
 
Witchking said:
Brilliant game. Head and shoulders above everyone in the passing department.
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12 chances created in the game:
3 Sancho (2 big, 2 assists), 74% pass completion, 29/39, 9 forward passes, 14/21 successful final third
2 Fernandes (1 big, 1 assist), 49% pass completion 16/33, 15 forward passes, 6/15 succesful final third
2 Pogba (1 big), 70% pass completion, 14/20, 6 forward passes, 4/5 successful final third
2 Shaw (0 big), 78% pass completion, 25/32, 15 forward passes, 4/7 successful final third
1 Lindelof (0 big)
1 Lingard (0 big)
1 Ronaldo (0 big)
0 Mctominay, 76% pass completion, 22/29, 10 forward passes

On the above I'd say Sancho head and shoulders above everyone. Shaw probably second. Pogba more consistent than Fernandes so probably third despite Fernandes assist. Pogba close to assist.
 
MackRobinson said:
Because he was getting further forward and needed more in the final third. Without him those first two goals aren’t scored and two goals he was on the pitch for had nothing to do with him.Weird thing to criticize him for
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I’m not criticising him just saying why Ralf subbed him off.
 
UnitedFire said:
12 chances created in the game:
3 Sancho (2 big, 2 assists), 74% pass completion, 29/39, 9 forward passes, 14/21 successful final third
2 Fernandes (1 big, 1 assist), 49% pass completion 16/33, 15 forward passes, 6/15 succesful final third
2 Pogba (1 big), 70% pass completion, 14/20, 6 forward passes, 4/5 successful final third
2 Shaw (0 big), 78% pass completion, 25/32, 15 forward passes, 4/7 successful final third
1 Lindelof (0 big)
1 Lingard (0 big)
1 Ronaldo (0 big)
0 Mctominay, 76% pass completion, 22/29, 10 forward passes

On the above I'd say Sancho head and shoulders above everyone. Shaw probably second. Pogba more consistent than Fernandes so probably third despite Fernandes assist. Pogba close to assist.
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Man what i meant is Pogbaa is very silky with his passing. In terms of passing talent, he is the best in the team. Just wish he was more consistent like giving a full season of good games which has never happened.
 
Witchking said:
Man what i meant is Pogbaa is very silky with his passing. In terms of passing talent, he is the best in the team. Just wish he was more consistent like giving a full season of good games which has never happened.
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He wasn't named to the players association TOTY by accident
 
Rolaholic said:
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He wasn't named to the players association TOTY by accident
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He was so consistent that year that mouriniho dropped him, then he had a purple patch when ole took over before returning to his usual inconsistent self by the end of the season.

He is certainly consistent in his inconsistency, I will give you that.

The thing with pogba is as long as the majority of the work he does is in the final third than he looks good and he looks a real threat. Its when he starts doing work in the other two thirds that he turns into a liability normally. And the more he is in those two thirds the more of a liability he is.

My opinion hasn't changed with Pogba he should play as a false 9 he has all the attributes and it keeps him in the final third where he is at his best.
 
Rolaholic said:
False
He wasn't named to the players association TOTY by accident
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2018/19 was a sucky season for United except for the PSG win and the first 10 - 13 games of Ole's season. Most of your stats are related to the Ole beginning period where even Lingard showed decent form. Pogba has not built on from the stats you posted. We did not win anything that season or the next or the next. Trophy less.

But if you think he has consistently played well in 2018/19 carry on.
 
Longshanks said:
He was so consistent that year that mouriniho dropped him, then he had a purple patch when ole took over before returning to his usual inconsistent self by the end of the season.

He is certainly consistent in his inconsistency, I will give you that.

The thing with pogba is as long as the majority of the work he does is in the final third than he looks good and he looks a real threat. Its when he starts doing work in the other two thirds that he turns into a liability normally. And the more he is in those two thirds the more of a liability he is.

My opinion hasn't changed with Pogba he should play as a false 9 he has all the attributes and it keeps him in the final third where he is at his best.
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You might be on to something with that. He could potentially do what Kane did yesterday against City.
 

Matters at the end of the day a lot more than being the devil in flesh to sections of the fanbase
 
MackRobinson said:
It’s weird how fans expect Pogba to perform like KDB and Kante all at once :lol:
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That's feckin hilarious. He has a defensive awareness of a drunk teenage at 5am in the morning going home from a club.

Now, yeah we should used him better and had our set up to fulfil his strengths. Thiago - Kante - Pogba midfield for example. One to control, one to battle everyone and let him do the damage on his favorite position. However, he is not free of blame and had his flaws magnified in our set up.
 
Rolaholic said:

Matters at the end of the day a lot more than being the devil in flesh to sections of the fanbase
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Off the top of my head I can remember Matic & Bruno speaking glowingly of Pogba, but regardless how many times those examples are brought up posters will call him ‘a virus’ having never met/played with him. The narrative fostered by this fanbase towards him, based on. . . feck all, has been despicable. Publicly he has been complimented far more about his presence in the dressing room than most.
 
PSV said:
Would be a decent game if he'd been a winger. He isn't. It's yet another game where McTominay is mostly left to his own in the mid.
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Unfortunately I strongly agree with you. Pogba has been toying with the opposition the whole game, while it was alright 1st half, when Leeds picked up their energy level we were everywhere. McTom was the only one winning any 50-50 challenge and going for a 2nd yellow. Replacing Pogba with Fred restored some level of control into our squad.

So yes, in a 3-men MF, with 2 workers covering his ass, Pogba would be OK. But with him playing with fire, which he might get away with it 75% of the time, just watch out for the remaining 25%. I think RR got it spot on in replacing Pogba and CR yesterday, just when they are turning from asset into liability
 
He is not meant to play in the EPL given his limitations in the defensive side of the game. He will be awesome for a Juve as long as he can keep his fitness up.
 
Rolaholic said:

Matters at the end of the day a lot more than being the devil in flesh to sections of the fanbase
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I see that on the field too. He is asking for the ball, first one to come and celebrate the goals, joking around.

Hope he stays and take the captain band.
 
When he’s on song he is unplayable,he really is a sight to behold.The way he set up Ronaldo in the first half was absolutely breathtaking…It’s a shame that he’s going to leave on a free this summer…Unfortunately for whatever reason we haven’t seen the best of him consistently…
 
bond19821982 said:
I see that on the field too. He is asking for the ball, first one to come and celebrate the goals, joking around.

Hope he stays and take the captain band.
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Him sliding in with Maguire after his goal was a great little moment along with the banter with Bruno about replicating his move :lol:

No current or former teammate has ever said anything negative about him
 
I wonder if there are any other star footballers, who are academy graduates at the club they're playing for, and have such a contentious relationship (mostly one sided) with large segments of the fanbase
 
bond19821982 said:
I see that on the field too. He is asking for the ball, first one to come and celebrate the goals, joking around.

Hope he stays and take the captain band.
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Yeah, it looks like he gets on with everyone well and also first to celebrate with the goal scorer. Celebrates more than goal scorer too.

Pogba and Bruno bromance is awesome.
 
Rolaholic said:

Matters at the end of the day a lot more than being the devil in flesh to sections of the fanbase
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Of course, and if you watched the footage from the World Cup final, you could see the French national team responding to Pogba as he drilled them with instructions. His leadership and apparent likability make him a good presence in the dressing room.
 
Rolaholic said:

Matters at the end of the day a lot more than being the devil in flesh to sections of the fanbase
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This is probably due to his jovial personality and ability to communicate with most teammates regardless of language barrier (he is known for being able to speak multiple languages), that way, he creates real bonds of friendships with teammates he played/play with.
 
I think Ralf will/should play him on the wing against Atletico, with Mct and Fred starting. It will be another physical game and we will need his creativity if they park the bus.
 
UnitedFire said:
I have no interest in discrediting. That's why I have tried to segment.

I genuinely saw brilliant moments and some great stats in first half, but useful to take a balanced review.

I've never been entirely convinced by Pogba. His best season he was world class in probably 25% of the games and obtained great goal/assist stats, but rest of the games I still remember him being poor/ average.
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Yep
 
Rolaholic said:

Matters at the end of the day a lot more than being the devil in flesh to sections of the fanbase
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Have you seen the video of him going to the fan inside Elland road yesterday who was shouting him. Gave him a fist bump and a hug. All the evidence says he’s a good guy.
 
World class anyone?

Zero defensive effort, and only Rashford, Sancho and Ronaldo made less passes than him in our team. Hiding and jogging most of the half.

Hardly anyone is better though, but then hardly anyone gets their thread bumped after good 45 minutes against Leeds saying he is world class.
 
Can someone teach this guy that you’re meant to shield a ball using your lower base and legs instead of flailing your arms around?

Also nothing more irritating than watching him trying to hold off 2-3 players and getting dispossessed rather than moving the ball along quickly.
 
Amar__ said:
World class anyone?

Zero defensive effort, and only Rashford, Sancho and Ronaldo made less passes than him in our team. Hiding and jogging most of the half.

Hardly anyone is better though, but then hardly anyone gets their thread bumped after good 45 minutes against Leeds saying he is world class.
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Are you surprised? Fool me once..
 
Amar__ said:
World class anyone?

Zero defensive effort, and only Rashford, Sancho and Ronaldo made less passes than him in our team. Hiding and jogging most of the half.

Hardly anyone is better though, but then hardly anyone gets their thread bumped after good 45 minutes against Leeds saying he is world class.
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I don't even take those posters serious anymore. The guys a YouTube highlights player and I personally can't wait till he's gone.
It's laughable watching our setup tonight. Fred is completely stranded in midfield.

Rangnick is a total fraud also. Just another yes man who's told to play the big names.
How he can watch our midfield setup tonight and think it's acceptable. Tactical genius my ass.
 
Amar__ said:
World class anyone?

Zero defensive effort, and only Rashford, Sancho and Ronaldo made less passes than him in our team. Hiding and jogging most of the half.

Hardly anyone is better though, but then hardly anyone gets their thread bumped after good 45 minutes against Leeds saying he is world class.
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Watch the game ffs!

:lol:
 
He aint and has never been world class. He has a couple decent games per season against shit sides. Vs good ones he gets owned every time. Giving him 400k is criminal.
 
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