Conte had some issues with him (eg was fined and dropped for two games for being persistently late for training). While Conte was at Chelsea he spoke about the need to "find the right way to manage him (Pogba)." I'm not sure José has done.
Pogba told the club he wants to leave
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Conte had some issues with him (eg was fined and dropped for two games for being persistently late for training). While Conte was at Chelsea he spoke about the need to "find the right way to manage him (Pogba)." I'm not sure José has done.
Vidic signed on a Bosman in January to join Inter the following summer while we were having a tough season under Moyes. He had a bad attitude too?
I remember when Chelsea fans boo’d the players for allow Jose to get the sack lol.
What I didn’t realise is how similar so much of our fans are. But yet again a lot the Chelsea fans were probably previously United fans. So it makes sense. Lol.
What I didn’t realise is how similar so much of our fans are. But yet again a lot the Chelsea fans were probably previously United fans. So it makes sense. Lol.
No titles, average players, relationship problems, bad football... what all those sponsors see in us? As much he is bad in transfer market, Ed is bloody wizard in earning money. I doubt that he will sell Adidas and instagram biggest star.
For context, this happened during the first month, apparently the problem was fixed by Buffon and Pirlo who were in charge of the locker room and had a chat with him after Conte expressed his frustration to them. After that Pogba was described as a great professional.
I don't buy this narative that Pogba is ireplacable and must be kept at all costs. I also don't think that Mourinho is the right match for United. But the one thing I really don't like is player power over manager power it always creates problems. The likes of Pogba, Neymar, Ronaldo create to much drama around them, want to influence club to much etc. SAF would never let this happen. He was the absolute boss at United and any manager must be the absolute boss above all the players. In Madrid case Real put up with Ronaldo's antics because he was worth it with his influence on the pitch. For me Pogba doesn't nearly do enough to warrant all the circus around him. If we get good money for him he can f**k off to Spain. The only problem is that cheap bastards Barca and Real won't want to pay his market worth.
Little off topic this, but fans who change clubs? I can't believe in that. How is it even possible?
Just watch where the Mourinho fans end up. Similar to the weird Ronaldo cult we have here who apparently claim they're still United fans.
If only it was that easy. Our record of signing good players the past 5 years is probably worse than Everton or Westham.
Martial, Shaw, Pogba, Matic, Zlatan (short fix) are all good.
Depay, Sch-midfield(x2), Mkhitaryan, Lukaku, Sanchez, Rojo, Lindelof, Bailey, Fellaini, Mata, Herrera, Di Maria all not good enough.
Delot, Fred - Unfair to judge yet.
I'm sure I'm missing some absolutely pieces of shit in that list.
Similar with Martial and Pogba fans.
Nope
Martial is good despite 24 league goals in three seasons, Shaw is good because he's had three good games this season and another three a few years ago. Lukaku is not good enough though.
Sure.
We will see.
To everyone that want Pogba out.. WHY?
He's a TOP class player, young and with a decent manager he can become TOP CLASS again and one of the best players in the globe. We've seen with France.
In my opinion, with a different manager (Ancelotti, Zidane), we would see a more attacking team, and then Paul would enjoy playing and he would score loads, I am 100% sure.
We just need to move on and try to find a new manager who suits with the club.
I think Mourinho will finish this season and afterwards, if things are not going well (as they look like), we'll get a new one.
He's a TOP class player, young and with a decent manager he can become TOP CLASS again and one of the best players in the globe. We've seen with France.
In my opinion, with a different manager (Ancelotti, Zidane), we would see a more attacking team, and then Paul would enjoy playing and he would score loads, I am 100% sure.
We just need to move on and try to find a new manager who suits with the club.
I think Mourinho will finish this season and afterwards, if things are not going well (as they look like), we'll get a new one.
I don't think Martial or Pogba have any sort of particular fans. You have people that rate them but it doesn't really go beyond that. A manager like Mourinho has actual fans, like Ronaldo or Messi.
He's the one who wants out not us.
Come off it, backing Mourinho doesn’t make anyone less of a United fan.
And let’s be honest the staunch Mourinho-out brigade are just as culpable for turning this place into a cesspit of mud-slinging and in-fighting.
As ever, the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Not with the Mourinho-out camp and not with the Mourinho-in camp.
Looks like one of those 'player is not bigger than the club moments' - As an outsider to be honest I have seen this coming for ages as it has just not worked out for him at Utd for whatever reason and he clearly sees himself as a better player than he actually is.
He wants to leave and play in Spain. He's tasked Raiola with getting him out of United and the fat slug has been working on it since January.
no the feck we don't. so not enough top drawer performances from pogba? but enough from jose for you to say we trust him?
I think you are completely wrong unfortunately.
Yes, hundreds of people on here have actually criticised and even blamed Ferguson for 'letting' Pogba go to Juve, not giving him enough minutes, treating him wrong, etc. Tells you everything you need to know.
You may have a case against Shaw and Martial but they've showed in the past they can be ballers. However, if you rate Lukaku as a top striker I'm afraid you're in for a disappointing journey.
You don't think that the timing of that new exclusive is convenient, it's also only reported by trash sources.
United tried to build the team around him as the superstar, but he is the wrong type of player for that. Pogba also seems to think of himself this way, but he simply can't do it. All of that put way too much focus on him.
I agree to a certain extent but Pogba has done a lot of work to make it all about him without the help of the club, manager, etc. - he wants the limelight.
The evidence pointed to that. Fergie didn't give as many minutes to young players in his later years, even Mr. Mujac said as much.
You can't ignore the context that is Mourinho.
Which makes sense. Who on Earth wants to come to Manchester these days, especially with Mourinho in charge?
No one wants to play defensively! Football is about attack when you are a big team!!
Will totally understand if he goes to Barcelona/Madrid, at least he'll have fun there and we'll see the best Pogba.
He's going to fecking have to, from the looks of it. And I'm not talking about Pogba's behaviour, guy himself clearly wants out. I went through all the players Woodward has brought in since Moyes, 10 or 11 transfer windows. The guy hasn't sold one of the players he bought with a profit, nothing but bad deals and losses.
At this point I think he wasn't undermining Mourinho by giving him less budget. It was more the realistic outcome of spending 500+ million in five or six year, barely recuperating any money. We can be one of the richest clubs but literally every other club other than maybe City, so including Real Madrid, has had to sell players for big money in order to generate funds for new transfers and Pogba is one of the few who would actually be worth a siginificant sum.
To what, Ferguson not knowing what he was doing? Because that's what was implicated in the criticism, or that it was a mistake. It's obviously starting to look more and more like he knew exactly what he was doing.
I feel neither Pogba or Jose really belong here.
Think he was sold on a galactico type project at Utd, big cash on big players and challenging for the major trophies. It hasn't worked out, Jose has turned the whole place into a negative atmosphere and he's realised he can just feck off to Spain and while it's not the triumphant return he hoped for, he can just pick up the trophies elsewhere.
We've known Raiola has been shopping him around Europe since January, courtesy of Guardiola. That Pogba wanted to go to Spain immediately after Juve but was persuaded by Raiola to take the United payday for three years, was also reported at the time he signed and has been since. All of Pogba's antics in these last months, his outrageous and unprofessional behaviour post-Wolves, and Raiola's leaking of stories to the press, has all been about their three-year plan and getting him to Spain.
Source for this?
Mistake in not giving him more minutes. A lot of United fans have this wrong belief that Fergie did not want Pogba, but that is obviously not true. He sent multiple first team players like Rio and Evra to convince him to stay. I think you're thinking the opposite going by your post. Pogba ended up on small wages at Juve, and he proved his talent there. Fergie blames Raiola for that incident. I believe it's a mixture of both.
This has been done to death though and not really relevant to the current circus. I'm just saying that Pogba leaving United isn't something to beat Pogba over with considering it obviously was the correct decision for his development. If a contract that guarantees playing time was needed to convince him to stay, I also agree that Fergie made the correct decision in not agreeing to it. That's different from his decision making during the season though.
Or it could be due to obviously falling out with Mourinho. Did people forget what Mou did over the summer?
That may be the case, but it's much easier to simply let that happen if it were Phil Jones and not Paul Pogba that wanted out.
Given how hard it is going to be to attract a like-for-like replacement in terms of quality, we should take the approach Chelsea took with Hazard and see if shaking things up around him will have an effect. If after that he still wants to feck off, at least we've done all we can this time.
That's nonsense. The Spain rumour was spread by journos after an interview where he talked about his admiration for Zidane, from that point he was supposed to be Real Madrid bound.
in fairness most of the supporters I no would be happy to let him go. not consistent enough just don't think he's cut out for the premiership every week. will go to Barca or Juventus and look quality I have no doubts about that. but would add would be taking Juventus to the cleaners if they truly want him back.
I'm at the point now where Pogba either needs to shut his mouth and start putting in match winning performances, or him and his constant leaks to the press can feck off. Jose offered him an olive branch by installing him as vice captain, and ever since Pogba has thanked him by slagging off the team, style of play and the manager. I do not believe for a second this is not all pre-meditated by Pogba. He's playing a game of who's bigger - the player or the manager - if we let him win this battle then we open the floodgates.
That’s where I’m at with all this. I’ve kind of been behind José but I’m sick of the pair of the cnuts. José and Pogba can just piss off as far as I’m concerned, I don’t know who they think they are but United they ain’t.
Was reported at the time he signed and has been again in the last few weeks eg:
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/paul-pogba-man-utd-instagram-15135795
Raiola has been offering him around since January. He's been preparing to leave since well before the summer.