Far too much smoke though for there not to be some substance in the rumour. We thought the same of Coutinho, who is almost polar opposite of Pogba's personality and doesn't have a greedy idiot for an agent.
Pogba told the club he wants to leave
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Far too much smoke though for there not to be some substance in the rumour. We thought the same of Coutinho, who is almost polar opposite of Pogba's personality and doesn't have a greedy idiot for an agent.
I’d get rid of Mourinho first, as in now, and I would have given Pogba untill january to make things right again.
If he continues to act like a fool he should be the next one out, but if he change his ways and put out and explanation, public appology or something like that, he should stay.
I would drive Pogba to the airport tomorrow. He already left us once, we paid a world record fee to bring him back and his performances during his time with us have been no better than mediocre. His slug of an agent was hawking him to Man City last season, and now he apparently has flat out told Woodward he wants to leave. F*ck 'im.
Yip. How the feck people are siding with him in this fiasco I do not know. He's done nothing to earn the loyalty of the fans except not be Mourinho.
He'll play music loud in the back of your car though!
His attitude is disgusting (yes. Mourinho is also bad. I know).
He tries to showcase his ability all the time, unnecessary dribbling only to pass it 5 yards. We get it you're good with your dribbling but stop doing it for the sake of it.
Barcelona wants pogba for 50m. Not even a formal bid and here he goes mouthing off every goddamn week. I cant speak or being fined, attack attack attack, now he wants out. And all this happens before we even start our purple patch. With a fresh start to the campaign.
All that after being reported to have a meeting and agreed to wait until windows open again. Not to mention after being made vice captain. He can't even wait for the transfer window to open before having this shenagigans.
feck him. He disrespect the club. Wouldn't blame him if he feels he cant work with jose. But this is not how a proffesional should act, let alone the vice captain of manchester united.
He tries to showcase his ability all the time, unnecessary dribbling only to pass it 5 yards. We get it you're good with your dribbling but stop doing it for the sake of it.
Barcelona wants pogba for 50m. Not even a formal bid and here he goes mouthing off every goddamn week. I cant speak or being fined, attack attack attack, now he wants out. And all this happens before we even start our purple patch. With a fresh start to the campaign.
All that after being reported to have a meeting and agreed to wait until windows open again. Not to mention after being made vice captain. He can't even wait for the transfer window to open before having this shenagigans.
feck him. He disrespect the club. Wouldn't blame him if he feels he cant work with jose. But this is not how a proffesional should act, let alone the vice captain of manchester united.
I think mourinho is really doing well managing pogba off the field and on it as well after we started playing in a 3 for his poor work rate and positioning defensively when he is slotted in a two.
This all media thing could be avoided though.
Pogba is good at making statements like we should attack attack attack at home though he doesn't realise that with that it's the midfielders responsibility to control the midfield and control the counter attacks of opposition teams, and his poor efforts does not help his fellow midfield partner as well when he's caught napping and matic is isolated alone to stop the counter who himself has not been in form till now and is struggling probably due to not returning to full fitness from the operation as matic has a tendency to play and give everything even if he's not 100%.
And I think that's why Mohrinho could be baffled by him, as when we are high up the pitch and he looses the ball trying to show boat and does not track back after that.
Don't care. Don't like the bloke and the circus he brings, and dont consider him to be world-class enough to break our necks to keep him.
Sell for the right price, ship our fraud of a manager out as well. Rip up the script yet again and start with something sustainable and positive.
Sell for the right price, ship our fraud of a manager out as well. Rip up the script yet again and start with something sustainable and positive.
Did you just call one of the most successful managers in the history of football a fraud? Do you have any idea how stupid that makes you look?
No. I think that unless any team does that, he ain't going nowhere for at least two years.
It doesn’t matter a jot how much we pay for a player, it doesn’t automatically mean we build a team around them. We bought Ronaldo for a paltry £12m. He forced his way into Fergie building the team around him through his repeated brilliance.
Pogba simply hasn’t been good enough in his performances to mouth off as much as he has been. He thinks he’s a lot better than he actually is - something Fergie took objection with in his previous stint at the club, hence why despite us having big midfield problems at the time, he would only make the odd sub appearance for us.
As much as Mourinho pisses me off, if we let Pogba (or any player for that matter) win this little battle, then any subsequent manager is screwed as soon as that player decides they don’t like what he’s doing.
You could probably say the same about De Gea, Martial and a bunch of others. I don't like player power, but I despise the team we are now and that's mostly down to Mourinho. If we lose Pogba, De Gea and Martial we're fecked.
If it was just Pogba I'd agree with you, but we've had multiple players picking fights with him, and so did his previous clubs. Pogba might be a difficult guy to manage but current problem lies with Mourinho.
So has there been any legit quotes from Pogba about this?
never wanted either of them here in the first place.
Never liked they way Jose's teams played.
Pogba for me is the most overrated footballer on the planet , he is not even close to being worth wat we paid for jhim , dont care if he has a WC winner medal, France did not win it because of him !
I honestly think we will struggle to get back what we paid for him , quicker he goes the better , I think he is a destabilizing influence in the dressing room.
Never liked they way Jose's teams played.
Pogba for me is the most overrated footballer on the planet , he is not even close to being worth wat we paid for jhim , dont care if he has a WC winner medal, France did not win it because of him !
I honestly think we will struggle to get back what we paid for him , quicker he goes the better , I think he is a destabilizing influence in the dressing room.
, well thats 2 that think He’s irreplaceable , you and Pogba , he is not fit to lase the boots of any of the United legends,mind you not that any of our team are, DDG being the exception.I'd like to see Pogba in an attacking system before we get rid.
A fraud of a manager are you serious , I am not fan of Jose , but FFS he is a proven winning manager.
Or are you just ignoring all that he has won, FFS he is not doing well at United admittedly, but to call him a fraud just make you look daft.
A few weeks ago , I would have argued that this would be wrong, but right now, 100% agree with you.
Mourinho should be sacked due to poor results and tactics, not due to his feud with Pogba. It simply sets a bad example for the upcoming manager about the players power here, especially when it comes from a player who was mostly underwhelming for United despite the high expectations.
No one would care if Mourinho got thrown away, but the reason shouldn't be because of Pogba's eyes.
Indeed, but it's a catch22 of sorts. We want him to be sacked because of this, but if he keeps acting like a child he might get sacked before he ruins our season too much.
Hoping we beat West Ham, Valencia and Newcastle 1-0, with 0-22 in shots, 20% possession and winning due to a lucky own goal in each game. De Gea, Martial, Pogba and Rashford all benched and fuming. Zidane to take over during the October break.
If he's sacked for the poor results I don't think anyone would shed tears would they ? The problem for me if he's sacked because Pogba wants him gone. That will set bad example for the upcoming manager, and he'll be afraid of doing anything to the players considering their power got the previous manager out. If he's sacked because the team is shite and results are poor, then it's normal.
Yeah, but then you have to ask yourself how many poor results you'd accept before our next season is in trouble. Maybe losing 4-0 to West Ham and Valencia would be enough to get him out? The worst would be if we keep these results up(4-1-3) and he stays on until we are mathematically out of CL next season.
Almost hoping we bench Pogba, Martial, Dalot and Rashford, and end up losing by massive margins in horrible fashion against West Ham.
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It’s probably cheaper for the club to take pogbas side in this if he wants to stay but I really don't care if he leaves. his performances are just not worth the drama. even as our most well known player. He’s causing new trouble every week and that has to be messing with the squad morale as much as any negative tactic.
If Jose goes then What’s stopping him from doing this to the next manager when things go wrong? What if he never improves under the next manager do we fire him too?. Even if he stays he’s probably going to spend the whole time flirting with the big clubs in Spain and causing trouble with his gobshite agent and entourage while we win feck all. He’s currently a circus that’ll destroy team spirit wherever he goes apart from Madrid....
....Im almost certain he’d be an amazing fit for them and when he does and he is we will pine for him again like we did for him at Juve and like we do when any class player leaves us, it’ll just be even more torturous material basically! It’s been pretty pretty grim being a United fan the last few years, why is it taking so long to truly move forward? We are spending an absolute fortune but we’ve got no soul!
If Jose goes then What’s stopping him from doing this to the next manager when things go wrong? What if he never improves under the next manager do we fire him too?. Even if he stays he’s probably going to spend the whole time flirting with the big clubs in Spain and causing trouble with his gobshite agent and entourage while we win feck all. He’s currently a circus that’ll destroy team spirit wherever he goes apart from Madrid....
....Im almost certain he’d be an amazing fit for them and when he does and he is we will pine for him again like we did for him at Juve and like we do when any class player leaves us, it’ll just be even more torturous material basically! It’s been pretty pretty grim being a United fan the last few years, why is it taking so long to truly move forward? We are spending an absolute fortune but we’ve got no soul!
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https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/sep/27/paul-pogba-agent-manchester-united-talks-jose-mourinho-mino-raiola
Already posted but worth re-emphasising since Romano is a tier 1 source: Pogba happy at United, but atmosphere around the club and Mourinho could see him open to a move.
No real surprise there and what I have been comfortable suspecting all summer.
Already posted but worth re-emphasising since Romano is a tier 1 source: Pogba happy at United, but atmosphere around the club and Mourinho could see him open to a move.
No real surprise there and what I have been comfortable suspecting all summer.
Mourinho will be gone next summer. Hope we don't get rid of Pogba
The way all this has transpired from him leaving the first time, to fans bashing Fergie like it was the worst thing he's ever done, to him coming back with all the fanfare and then everything devolving into an underperforming circus act is honestly hilarious
If only Mourinho managed Liverpool and got Suarez back.The way all this has transpired from him leaving the first time, to fans bashing Fergie like it was the worst thing he's ever done, to him coming back with all the fanfare and then everything devolving into an underperforming circus act is honestly hilarious
I like how so many people are taking the feck Pogba stance. I get he was talking out of school with his attack comments, but read between the lines. He’s as fed up with this terrible pragmatic football as we are and wants to win. I’d rather a player be angry at this club not winning rather than some little trier whose just happy to be here.
We deride that lack of creativity in this team, yet Pogba is at least willing to try things. Id rather have a midfielder that tries to provide our attackers rather than someone who passes sideways but runs a lot. Yes he’s our record signing, but you can’t hold the price tag against him. As an example Coutinho has been excellent for Barcelona. Is he worth 140 million? Of course not.
I guarantee if we sell Pogba we’ll pay an obscene amount for an average midfielder who 2 seasons in will be labelled not united quality.
We deride that lack of creativity in this team, yet Pogba is at least willing to try things. Id rather have a midfielder that tries to provide our attackers rather than someone who passes sideways but runs a lot. Yes he’s our record signing, but you can’t hold the price tag against him. As an example Coutinho has been excellent for Barcelona. Is he worth 140 million? Of course not.
I guarantee if we sell Pogba we’ll pay an obscene amount for an average midfielder who 2 seasons in will be labelled not united quality.
He doesnt want to win. He wants to move to barcelona
Says the papers. Which another says he’s happy at the club but hates Mourinho. Same papers who insist Hazard wanted to go to Madrid and Real are coming for De Gea. Can’t really rely on them or beat a player with a stick based off what these people write. I haven’t noticed a drop in effort from him since this all came out.
If that Romano tweet is anywhere near close to the truth then Jose's gone. Pogba is too important on and off the pitch for us to countenance a sale, especially if he actually likes it here but has issues with playing under a manager who will, after three years, have proven to have actually not progressed us at all. Not to mention how he's pissed off a lot of the players.
In that situation, who do you back? The £150m+ asset who is driving your commercial income, or the manager who the cost of sacking will be c.£25mish? I just hope the club can smooth out the issues and get the twats to knuckle down for the rest of the season. Another 7 months of this is gonna be shit for all concerned, not least the fans.
In that situation, who do you back? The £150m+ asset who is driving your commercial income, or the manager who the cost of sacking will be c.£25mish? I just hope the club can smooth out the issues and get the twats to knuckle down for the rest of the season. Another 7 months of this is gonna be shit for all concerned, not least the fans.
He came to United for the project while being bought by José, then he struggled with his first season, halfasses his second, ask for more money, seems to want to take down the manager, then wants to move. Valuable asset my ass. Now if he starts showing some consistency on the pitch and actually win us some games, then maybe that hypothetical scenario where the club allows a player to essentially sack the manager becomes attractive. Think about it, it won't happen as that would mean any player with any sort of agenda will not think twice about making a big mess of everything down the line, as it is allowed and not only that, but actually gets rewarded. It won't happen and i don't know why anyone is talking about it really.
Selective reading
He hardly half arsed the second season, he was our best player until he got injured and then Jose in his infinite wisdom decided to sideline him for the piss poor Sanchez, who after 9 months is still largely tumescent. And this season he's been our most crucial player. His importance off the pitch is of more relevance however, and that will be the bottom line for Ed, rightly or wrongly.
Spot on. I mean Sanchez, Martial, Rashford, Hazard, Salah. Look at them under Mou and without. Ask yourself what the most likely outcome is, either they all turned to shit or Mou's system sucks.
Even with Messi in his prime we'd struggle to win consistently. Teams would just double cause they know we have Lingard & Valencia on the right doing jack squat.
Carragher is speaking a lot sense here.
I cant believe I am agreeing with everything he is saying.
Fully agree with Carra. I'm leaning towards the get rid of both camp, too much negativity right now.
Said it before and I'll say it again, Pogba hasn't shown enough to be worth the hassle and neither has Jose. I genuinely don't think either of them will be here next season.
Said it before and I'll say it again, Pogba hasn't shown enough to be worth the hassle and neither has Jose. I genuinely don't think either of them will be here next season.
But as others have mentioned that sets a dangerous precedent for player power, totally the wrong message.
That’s why you either get rid of both or ride it out until results dictate other course of action