Yeah, I was going to post this after seeing it. Especially his comments about who Pogba plays for. It’s not the team but definitely himself and his own glory but he doesn’t have the arrogance and quality of someone like Ibra to pull it off and still be adored.
Pogba told the club he wants to leave
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Yeah, I was going to post this after seeing it. Especially his comments about who Pogba plays for. It’s not the team but definitely himself and his own glory but he doesn’t have the arrogance and quality of someone like Ibra to pull it off and still be adored.
Totally agree, shit happens in everyone's life but in this case MU have ended up with the two biggest egos in the game of football. A least mourino had tried to make things work but Pogba has been and still is a spoilt dickhead with no connection to anyone except himself. Ship him out and make it quick is what I say.
If it was literally any other manager, I'd agree but a lot of people are forgetting that the likes of Pogba, Bailly etc are players he brought to the club and if he's pissed them off and/or caused their confidence to drop, then how long can we really humour him? Bring him another batch and watch him do the same? It's not like he hasn't got a history of this or anything.
Backing the manager would be a great long-term move if the manager himself had a long-term outlook but he doesn't.
Personally while I'm in the Pogba camp, the more he talks the less I'm fussed he stays or goes. Jose will be gone, irrespective of Pogba IMO (he won't get top 4 cos we're just that bloody inconsistent)
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Nothing to do with Pogba, but after hating Carrageenan as I player I really like his inpartuality and common sense as a pundit.
Carra is dead right there, I agree 100%. unless there’s some miraculous turn around pogba isn’t going to be a really top player for us. If there was no friction and he’d just kept going the way he was we weren’t winning anything significant anyway. This is just speeding up the inevitable now. Pogba, ultimately yet another expensive united flop and a trouble maker
I guess it makes sense to you because it fits the agenda. You think Carragher wants what is best for this club? He is just one of those middle aged pundits that hates Pogba and would stop at nothing to belittle him. There's no point listening to that man's opinion about Manchester United and especially Pogba.
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Yeah, I liked the Carragher interview, he did talk some sense. I have always thought that Pogba is not as good as he thinks he is or as perhaps fans think he should be. I personally also feel that no matter who we got in as a new manager, we wouldn't see a hugely different Pogba, he would still be hit and miss. The reason for that is that I think Pogba is totally driven by his general mood, he has to be really up for it 100% to play a good game, which is not that often, he's easily distracted even within games. He's just not that bright, it feels like he's got a 14-year-olds head on an adult body sometimes with all the implications that means. I'm not denying his natural talent, but it's not world class at the moment and because of his personality, by the time he's reached some sort of maturity I feel his playing days will be behind him!
At the end of the day though, if Pogba moves then it will only be a short time before Mourinho homes in on another primary player to fight with. So, in the interests of Manchester United, and that is where my loyalty is - not with a player or manager, I think it's time for both of them to go, regardless of the turmoil it would cause for the rest of the season. I mean, our season is already pretty fecked anyway!
At the end of the day though, if Pogba moves then it will only be a short time before Mourinho homes in on another primary player to fight with. So, in the interests of Manchester United, and that is where my loyalty is - not with a player or manager, I think it's time for both of them to go, regardless of the turmoil it would cause for the rest of the season. I mean, our season is already pretty fecked anyway!
Where has the idea come from that marquee names "drive" United's commercial income? Our commercial income has been rising aggressively irrespective of any players we've signed (or not signed). The commercial growth comes from the fact that United are the most well supported and well known team on the planet, and are particularly well supported in markets that are key targets of growth for our partners.
People see Pogba as marketable because Man United have made him marketable... Not the other way round.
If Pogba left for any club outside of United, Barcelona, Real & Bayern he'd lose the majority of his marketability overnight.
Pogba plays for himself yet he's the player with the most goals and assists for the team this season. Makes a lot of sense...
What part of what he's said is wrong? He's spot on in all of that. I think it's your agenda that is clouding your judgement. He still accepts Pogba is talented and that a big club would go for him, but he sees the issues that we all see.
I found it baffling that people think Carragher is talking that way because he thinks Pogba leaving will hurt the club.
The point that some can't grasp is Pogba has never been rated that highly outside United fan base anyway in his time in Englamd. Almost all rival fans since his day one were labelling him as overrated and overpriced, good but not as good as what we think he's is what rival fans always thought of.
So nothing is changed, except that I'm tending to agree with them.
The point that some can't grasp is Pogba has never been rated that highly outside United fan base anyway in his time in Englamd. Almost all rival fans since his day one were labelling him as overrated and overpriced, good but not as good as what we think he's is what rival fans always thought of.
So nothing is changed, except that I'm tending to agree with them.
So you expect rival fans to big up Manchester United players, especially a flashy world class one signed for a record fee? Seriously?
Speaking of players overrating themselves didn't carra retired from the national team because he believed he deserved a first team place? Back then England had Rio and Terry btw
So i guess Carra should bury his hatchet against talented players and focus on his attitude rather then Pogba's. At least the Pogbs doesn't spit at kids
Dissapointing to see this, Pogba is one of the few players in our squad who can actually become one of the best in the world but it seems like his ego is already there. I would have liked to see Pogba under a different coach but honestly this is too much.
Hope we refrain from dealing with Mino after this. Everytime a club is going through turbulent times he starts stirring sh*t.
Hope we refrain from dealing with Mino after this. Everytime a club is going through turbulent times he starts stirring sh*t.
He is rated highly in Italy, far more then Carra and his boy crush Steve G. He is still rated less then football legends like Zidane and Scholes though.
Maybe this is right but I can't agree with some of the points he is making. Jose hasn't done enough for this club either and he's making it sound like he's indispensable. When you listen to people like Rio they have only positive things to say about Pogba. I'd rather trust his judgement considering he knows Pogba better. He might not be as good as he thinks but to say nothing would change under a different manager is ridiculous. How does Carragher explain the change in Chelsea this season then? Or even Arsenal?
Even outside England I don't remember him being as rated that highly as inside United fan base. Juve fans seem to have no issue with him leaving. Thy all consider him good but not that good as we think he's, so considering that they want him leave to hurt the club is baffling.
I'm not sure this is strictly true. Wasn't he in the FIFA World XI when he was like 21 years old? Most rival fans I speak to (both in England and abroad) seem to rate him highly and wonder why United don't get more out of him. Maybe just a coincidence.
Reminds me of the Di Maria fiasco. Pretty sure if the club sided with ADM and shipped out Van Gaal it would have been better choice. Reckon if we got rid of Mou and get a new attacking coach, Pogba would be twice the player he is now. But wouldn't be too pissed if the club sided with Mou because this kind of behaviour is unacceptable.
They always considered him good, but not up to the price we paid for him at this time, hence the overrated stuff.
Fair enough. But let's be honest - one of the reasons we paid so much is because he is so valuable from a marketing perspective, which has probably offset the cost to a large degree. From that perspective, the price makes a lot more sense.
3 of his goals were penalties, from 4 he took. One of them could have gone to Lukaku who was on his hat trick, Pogba is a selfish brat.
His marketing his overrated. If we bought Bale / Dembele / Kane etc would there really be that big of a drop off?
Pogba needs us more than we need him.
He'll stay if we fire Jose. But how do we go about saying that to Pogba in these December talks without it getting back to the squad? It already looks like he's half lost the dressing room but if word of his certain departure reaches the squad he'll completely lose it.
Nah. He was highly rated at Juve, one of the best midfielders in the world. The hate only started when he joined United.
I think you are being blind if you haven't realised the middle-aged pundits' agenda against Pogba.
Juventus thought they fleeced us because the market was not as inflated back then. Juve fans want him back, Barcelona still want him; every top club will pay for him at a blink.
It's a pity we United fans don't appreciate him, but will instead agree with the words of a former Liverpool player.
How has he lost the dressing room? The same leak said the players agreed with the decision.
Why would they have an agenda against him ?
Carragher is one of the best pundits around. Of course he doesn't want United to do well lol he's a scouser but he's able to put rivalry aside and give an unbiased view on things unlike Souness and the rest of them bitter cnuts.
This is how I remember it as well. Only when he joined utd everyone was saying he's overrated etc.
Most expensive footballer in the world...
I don't know how much you watch him, but actually, as pundits go, he's really not bad at all. Of course he has a Liverpool loyalty which is totally normal, as Gary Neville does United, but generally, I find him a bit more objective than Gary a lot of the time.
agreed......
Narratives, he a selfish player.
A few days ago I saw a story about United staff being angry about Pogbas loud music and rolls royce Chauffeur. Seemed a bit Depay like.
Yesterday a poster on the caf referred to Pogba as a wanna be gangsta.
Stories about his haricuts etc
Another story about his social media the other day
Today: Pogba has 30m social media followers, but hes no Keane or Gerrard on the pitch
So? A goal is a goal. The point remains. Pogba involved in more goals than any United player this season.
...but has he been worth £89 million so far.....?
I'm starting to think he is going to be sold.
The captaincy story - a non story btw since he wasn't even club captain and had been removed as second captain in previous seasons, was certainly briefed by the club and seems also Pogba asking to leave '7 weeks ago'
Subsequently a few stories have been emerging.
Staff not happy with Pogba before Wolves for loud music
Lukaku distancing himself from Pogba
Feels a bit like when the Rooney narrative flipped in the media. Won't surprise me if the club have decided to sell Pogba.
The captaincy story - a non story btw since he wasn't even club captain and had been removed as second captain in previous seasons, was certainly briefed by the club and seems also Pogba asking to leave '7 weeks ago'
Subsequently a few stories have been emerging.
Staff not happy with Pogba before Wolves for loud music
Lukaku distancing himself from Pogba
Feels a bit like when the Rooney narrative flipped in the media. Won't surprise me if the club have decided to sell Pogba.
So we believe the papers reporting lost dressing room but not those same papers who report he wants gone regardless of Jose
Because nobody really saw how he played at Juve.
They have at Utd though..
The prices are between the clubs. There's nothing we can do about that. I'm not sure what else people were expecting from a midfield player. The numbers in terms of goals and assists has been fine in the last two years and this season.