Me too. They are really good at getting players with the right mentality that fits their club.
Pogba Future
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While watching todays match, it was typical Pogba, some moments of brilliance but just not the kidn of player to lift us. I wouldnt blame him for wanting to leave, he's wasting his best years here winning nothing.
Why would they though? We’re crap.
Very good in the first half. Awful in the second. Anyone have the gif on 82 minutes where he tries a "freestyling" trick and it goes out wide. Just pass the ball for fecks sake.
Struggles for consistency over the season and in the same match.
Struggles for consistency over the season and in the same match.
Be successful and players want to play for you? What kind of magical formula have Barca stumbled upon here?
We lose him we are fecked. We won't replace him as well as the rest of the team so we are done.
That said he is too good for us.
That said he is too good for us.
I used to think this but not any more. I actually think we'll be better without him next year. I think he'll go and we'll get Eriksen. I'd be happy with that.
Yes, Eriksen is going to magically make the rest of the team play, move, and finish better and is totally not going to play well below his level like every single player that's come here in the last 6 years. Sounds like wishful thinking more than anything. The path forward is not by letting players like Pogba go because first of all he is a huge draw for other players to want to come in due to his ability to create for others and his personality, he seems to be friends with everyone in world football. Also, it sends the wrong message to get rid of your best player, when he should be one of the few retained and more players of his class should be brought in.
However, I can't blame Pogba for wanting to leave, I'd like to see him in La Liga eventually.
I can't believe we let him go for free to Juventus, then splash that much money to have him back.
Will never coming back from this.
Cash him out, thank you Zinedine.
Will never coming back from this.
Cash him out, thank you Zinedine.
If you sell him and reinvest money on top of our existing budget then it’s risk worth taking. In reality would we spend that much and spend it well?. No, so either way it doesn’t matter.
How many more years would you want to give Pogba? At some point you have to say he hasn't improved us or played to the consistency of a world record transfer.
He openly talks about wanting to leave. That is so toxic its reason alone to ship him off. So disrespectful to the club and unprofessional when you're under contract. The club needs to ban this kind of talk when a player isn't in his last 6 months of contract and can negotiate with foreign clubs.
There is nothing wrong with selling Pogba, we need to rebuild, and the first players out the door should be the ones who don't want to be here anyways.
No it should be the ones who clearly are not good enough
I'm worried if he stays he will end up captain and you can't have that wild inconsistency and flirting with other teams from your leader. It will be the same every transfer window until he eventually goes.
You want to build a team of 'talented' players who show up 1 out of 10 games? Good luck.
Who said anything about building a team around anyone?
Get rid of the players who are clearly not good enough first, it's very simple, else you bring in a Pogba replacement to play with Matic and Lingard and no movement up top and they will also struggle to perform.
Also there is no need to provide fake stats like 1 in 10, as he has clearly had more than 3.6 good games in the league this season.
He's been part time for us ever since he came back. Look at today. First half he was good. Second half he went missing, much like the rest of the squad mind you. He's not worth the aggravation if every year he'll be flirting with RM.
I agree, he is too good for us. The Pogba we've had for the past 3 years is replacible, without a doubt. The problem is it puts even more strain on an already strained summer coming up. We need to strengthen in so many areas I feel it's wrong to get rid of him now unless the club are not worried about adding the additional money to get a replacement along with all the other areas we need to upgrade.
I'm conflicted but leaning more towards selling this summer. Would be the highest fee we could get most likely.
Ok fair enough it wasn't an official stat or I would have referenced it; the inconsistency of Pogba is there for all to see.
We need to sell Pogba and use the funds to rebuild. Several players could be brought in with his sale, not just a one for one replacement. Obviously I would like other players sold as well but let's keep this about Pogba. The first team needs a serious rebuild and keeping Pogba makes no sense to me. Saying you dream of being somewhere else is the worst influence on teammates and trying to build a team that I can think of. Especially when he's been invisible against top opposition. If you disagree and feel he's been performing well then that's your opinion.
He certainly hasn't played to the level of being irreplaceable. I think we should get the maximum value we can from selling him, and hopefully any players that are brought will not be dreaming about being elsewhere.
Probably unclear from my post, but I'm guessing we can pay less for Eriksen than what we get for Pogba. Hopefully that surplus added to whatever we were planning to invest in the squad previously will allow us to become competitive. I think it's abundantly clear that we need 4-5 solid, quality additions to the squad this summer. I'm making the point that if Pogba does go (which I think he will), Eriksen would be a good replacement.
We should sell Matic, Jones, Bailly, Young, Martial, Lukaku, Lingard before we even consider selling Pogba
I’m pretty sure ole will give him an ultimatum this summer. We need to sit him down and say we want you to lead us forward, but if you want to leave then you can.
If he wants out it sucks but fine. I think he does love the club though and I hope he would decide to stay, we just need to keep improving.
There is any other top club where the obligation to decide games relies on a midfielder? I mean, Messi is part of the attack and has zero deffensive duties. Modric and Rakitic both scored only 3 games in La Liga and nobody is expecting them to decide the games. Liverpool midfielders are not exactly their main attacking strenght. I dont follow Bayern but i believe that the only "top" club with goal scorer midfielders is City. But they can't replicate those performances against top opposition in the Champions League.
I think Pogba-Herrera and a top DM(maybe Matic can recover his legs after vacations) can form an excellent midfield. What United need is a top front three. Pogba can work as a creative force in the middle but the front three would carry the weight to decide the games, as at any other big club.
I think Pogba-Herrera and a top DM(maybe Matic can recover his legs after vacations) can form an excellent midfield. What United need is a top front three. Pogba can work as a creative force in the middle but the front three would carry the weight to decide the games, as at any other big club.
I think you might be right, but would you believe him if he said he wants to? Any sort of bad patch you'd be worried about his reaction or any more interest from Real/Barca/PSG and will the head turn again?
I think if he stays then we build around him, but I fear that would be a big mistake on our part.
If they stopped competing for major honors that tune would change quickly.
Yes, if we truly said you can leave this summer as long as we get £120m etc, and he chooses to stay then fine. I’d want him to sign a new deal too ideally.
We need to see what oles plan is I suppose, pogba doesn’t seem to suit the high pressing game as his stamina isn’t the best.
What on earth makes you think Pogba loves the club? Pogba loves the myth he's been spoonfed by his fat greedy agent that he's some kind of world class player who could walk into any side and demand any wage. He isn't, and he'll discover that soon enough. If a team from Italy or Spain stump up a good offer, we should bite their hand off for it. Manchester United are for sure bigger than Paul Pogba, and will most likely perform much better as a team without him.
If Pogba really does want to stay and help with the rebuild, despite the fact that it will most likely mean a lean period in terms of winners' medals, he could start with giving Raiola the elbow (believe me, it ain't gonna happen).
But here's the thing, how about you get the 4-5 solid, quality additions AND keep Pogba? Because.....
....the problem with this mentality is that you're not going to find the players you truly need to challenge the likes of City and Liverpool long-term without getting some proper WC or near-WC players and/or keeping them through the rebuild, and they're not going to want to stick around through CL-less seasons and with no prospect of winning serious trophies. Pogba is here, we can talk about what he's said in the media, where they may conveniently leave out the boring part such as, 'but I'm happy at United' blablabla, but he is at United already, and whatever people may think of him he is one of the few draws for other great players to want to come in.
This is the logical and sense but many would have you believe pogba needs to go for us to improve despite outperforming most of these midfielders that's already challenging for the top honours.
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Even at City Aguero and Sterling usually decide games.
Like i said. Its the attack that will decide the games for the top sides. Put Bernardo Silva-Aguero-Sterling up front and Pogba would be praised in many of those matches where people are angry at him for not "taking control of the game" despite the colossal difference in technique when you compare him with the other United players.
I'm saying for months here that United need to put all the money to buy a top front three. Forget about CBs and full backs. A top front three will give the club time to address other aspects of the squad. People are too emotional about the current set of attacking players. Some are too young for the job. Some are not good enough.
Trust me, mate - I would love nothing more than for Pogba to stay and add those players around him. The reality appears to be that he wants to go though. I'm with Ole that we should only have players there that are committed to the cause. I'm not saying that Pogba is definitely leaving, if he stays it'll be some of our best business this summer provided he actually wants to be there. If he wants to go though, then he should, and we should use the funds to invest properly.
At this point I’d say this:
He’s another Balotelli. Has the potential to be special but will never get near world class consistently.
Guy strikes me as a legend in his own lunch hour, but the work rate and attitude arent there.
We want to feel like the beat midfielder in the world plays for us and be sentimental but - hes not. And never will be.
If real madrid come in with 130 million id rip their arm off. Would fund the best part of buying fernandes savic and rice for example. One primadonna or 3 high quality grafters? I know what i want
He’s another Balotelli. Has the potential to be special but will never get near world class consistently.
Guy strikes me as a legend in his own lunch hour, but the work rate and attitude arent there.
We want to feel like the beat midfielder in the world plays for us and be sentimental but - hes not. And never will be.
If real madrid come in with 130 million id rip their arm off. Would fund the best part of buying fernandes savic and rice for example. One primadonna or 3 high quality grafters? I know what i want
Pity he can't play well for it.
I’m not doubting his talent but he doesn’t seem to want to be here. I don’t see how that is attractive to other potential signings.
I was ecstatic when he signed but I feel it’s not worked out. If he’s consistent next season and shows up against the big teams then I’ll be thrilled, I just don’t expect that to happen.
I agree with you 100%. I would like them all to go. It’s going to be painful but let’s bring in as much money as possible and get this rebuild right.
Aouar, Bruno Fernandes, Memphis - There's other players who might not have the flair of Pogba but they'll probably bring a lot more consistency
Memphis Depay? You have to be kidding here
Just throwing some names out there. James Maddison, Milenkovic-Savic, Tanguy Ndombele - you get the picture
The one thing they all need to be consistent with is effort, that's the bare minimum and it seems like this team as a whole is seriously mismanaged when it comes to fitness. I don't know who is in charge of fitness at the club, but they should be the first one to go before any players. As far as Pogba being able to make an impact with a goal or an assist every game or two, that largely depends on who is around him; but there is no excuse when he has a lack of effort. And, I don't think any world-class player would want to be in this current United team. I mean think about it, if you're a great player you want to be in the CL, you want to be competing for the league title every season, so again how are you going to find those players that can challenge for those titles and make them want to stay without at least being able to keep a player like Pogba?
I get what you're saying, how if a player wants to go then we should let him, but Pogba wouldn't want to go if there was a bright light at the end of the tunnel....there's just none of that right now, and how is a new player going to see it any different once they get past the honeymoon phase?
The only players you're going to get that are committed to the cause through thick and thin, at this point, are going to be average players who are just happy to play at United because they wouldn't have that starting spot or even bench spot at other clubs. Every once in a while, you might get lucky with an academy product, maybe McTominay shows some more ability, maybe Greenwood makes the jump successfully from youth to the pros, but that's not a successful strategy long-term if you want to compete against the top teams in the premier league.
I see the pending rebuild as a massive job. Not like we hold onto Pogba (seemingly against his will) and add 1 or 2 world class talents and we’re nipping at the heels of City.
I would like to take the approach of strategically building over 2-3 transfer windows, preferably from the back. To do this we’re going to need a huge investment.
In order to rebuild properly we cannot have another season of the Pogba circus. I just believe we have to move on and I think selling him and bringing in, for example, Rice, Fernandes and Neres for about the same as we would receive for his transfer fee is a good move.
We need a real clear out, defence first for me, and moving Pogba makes sense because we need that money. We’re not good enough to even build around him so he has to go; those funds are needed elsewhere.