Pogba Future

Would you accept Dybala and Sandro for Pogba?

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Rhyme Animal said:
Keen on him as a man, yes.

Keen on him as a Utd legend, yes.

Keen on him as potential future Utd permanent manager, yes.

Keen on him as a permanent appointment right now, under the current conditions - a major rebuild, dealing with Woodward / Glazers, implementing modern football and wrestling the PL from Guardiola and Klopp, no.
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Don't think any available manager could be expected/trusted to deal with that and win us back the title any time soon, so for now Ole might as well give a go, if he somehow succeeds then fantastic, if not then this time most fans will not just call for his head as if it's going to fix everything.

In Ole we have a true United legend, an undoubtedly nice guy, and someone with no other motives than to make us successful, if it all goes wrong again, then hopefully Woodwards usual remit of blaming the manager, and getting a new one in won't work so well this time, so either way we might finally see some progress.
 
Why sell him when we’ve only just figured out how to get a tune out of him? The only way it would make sense is if he tried to force a move.
 
doriandun said:
You replace him with Dacoure at Watford and Neve's at Wolves, you then have a midfield of Herrera, Scott, Fred, and the two new additions, Matic as back up, as he has one year left on his contract, and this will give Scott a year to adjust and become fully accustomed to first team football, and if your lucky you still have 20 mill left to either get a right sided player or a right back in Wan-Bissaka [adding probbably another 20 mill to the balance left].
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Great sounds like a midfield to take on the likes of City.. :lol:
 
2 man midfield said:
Why sell him when we’ve only just figured out how to get a tune out of him? The only way it would make sense is if he tried to force a move.
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Have we? He had an upturn in form, which he's had before. Followed by a big drop in form, which he's had before. It seems we're still stuck in the same cycle with him except the high was a bit higher this time.

I'd take the cash if the offer is right.
 
Art Vandelay said:
Have we? He had an upturn in form, which he's had before. Followed by a big drop in form, which he's had before. It seems we're still stuck in the same cycle with him except the high was a bit higher this time.

I'd take the cash if the offer is right.
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He's had a couple of bad games, but he was in the form of his United career until a couple of weeks back. I don't see anything to suggest it was just a purple patch.
 
Weird that people complaining (with some good reason) about Pogba’s inconsistency believe that replacing him with Coutinho would put everything right.
 
Madrid are a weird one. You get cliches about them such as Pogba would want to play with better calibre of players etc but is Benzema, Isco, Ascensio, aging Modric and a disinterested Kroos etc really a step up?
I always said Madrid were just another top side with Ronaldo covering a lot of flaws, I just don't see why Paul woud join yet another side in transition.
Ronaldo went there around two years too early and I think Pogba would do the same this year.
Ronaldo possibly left another 1 or 2 CL and a couple of league titles on the table when he joined in 09.
 
Art Vandelay said:
Have we? He had an upturn in form, which he's had before. Followed by a big drop in form, which he's had before. It seems we're still stuck in the same cycle with him except the high was a bit higher this time.

I'd take the cash if the offer is right.
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It's because he's our only genuine world class threat going forward that his drop in form is felt a lot more.
Liverpool's front three have been inconsistent as anything this year but when Salah form drops you have Mane stepping up with Firminho in the wings behind him.
It's a myth that world class player have to be world class every single week. Very few are.
 
cyberman said:
Madrid are a weird one. You get clicjes about them such as Pogba would want to play with better calibre of players etc but is Benzema, Isco, Ascensio, aging Modric and a disinterested Kroos etc really a step up?
I always said Madrid were just another top side with Ronaldo covering a lot of flaws, I just don't see why Paul woud join yet another side in transition Ronaldo went there around two years too early and I think Pogba would do the same this year.
Ronaldo possibly left another 1 or 2 CL and a couple of league titles on the table when he joined in 09.
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It's just cafe's nature to react too much for too little.
 
We definitely need another creative player in the team. Martial not getting many assists this year so the vast majority of chances have come via Pogba or Rashford. Lukaku also made a few good goals on his recent purple patch too with so lovely through balls.

We need another creative midfielder in the squad for sure. We certainly shouldn't be looking to sell the one we have.
 
Judas said:
Really? There's Spurs fans who'd be happy to get rid? Seems that new stadium has gone to their heads a bit.
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He's been pretty poor as of late and given he's being quoted at over £100M with a year left on his contract they aren't wrong.
 
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Been that long since we had a world class (outfield) player at Utd that fans have forgotten what one looks like (it aint Pogba)
 
Art Vandelay said:
Have we? He had an upturn in form, which he's had before. Followed by a big drop in form, which he's had before. It seems we're still stuck in the same cycle with him except the high was a bit higher this time.

I'd take the cash if the offer is right.
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And replace him with whom?

And where is this massive drop in form?

He has hit 15 from midfield. And has been, and continues to be our best, most effective outfield player. he plays as poorly as all around him (no worst by the way..) and what happens? You have fans that want to sell him.

Our fan base needs to be more resiliant and realistic. Look at our starting XI yesterday. Martial. Mata. Lindgard comes on. Herrera gets taken off because he is having one. We have Ashley Young ffs.

And who do we blame? Paul Pogba. of course.
 
The difference between Pogba and KDB is one operates in midfield with players like David Silva, Benardo Silva, and Fernandinho, while the other plays with juggernauts such as Herrera, Matic, and Lingard. Just let that sink in. We aren't even mentioning the rest of the team. Just the midfield.

The problem with Pogba is the lack of talent around him (the coaching issue was resolved when Jose was fired). Some people expect him to be superman and carry United to all these lofty expectations. It's not going to happen given his midfield partners. You have to surround great players with other great players. Even Messi needs world class players around him.

Swap Pogba for KDB and the perception of both players would be reversed. Pogba isn't faultless, but given the substandard quality he is forced to play with United fans are in for a rude awakening if he is sold and not replaced with AT LEAST two top 6 level center mids.
 
MackRobinson said:
The difference between Pogba and KDB is one operates in midfield with players like David Silva, Benardo Silva, and Fernandinho, while the other plays with juggernauts such as Herrera, Matic, and Lingard. Just let that sink in. We aren't even mentioning the rest of the team. Just the midfield.

The problem with Pogba is the lack of talent around him (the coaching issue was resolved when Jose was fired). Some people expect him to be superman and carry United to all these lofty expectations. It's not going to happen given his midfield partners. You have to surround great players with other great players. Even Messi needs world class players around him.

Swap Pogba for KDB and the perception of both players would be reversed. Pogba isn't faultless, but given the substandard quality he is forced to play with United fans are in for a rude awakening if he is sold and not replaced with AT LEAST two top 6 level center mids.
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The simplest way to see the difference is to see how he plays with France. Griezzman, Mbappe and Giroud are constantly making runs for him. I think he'd be world class in a team like Barca or Real, unfortunately for him we're still a good few years away from having a top team.
 
cyberman said:
Madrid are a weird one. You get cliches about them such as Pogba would want to play with better calibre of players etc but is Benzema, Isco, Ascensio, aging Modric and a disinterested Kroos etc really a step up?
I always said Madrid were just another top side with Ronaldo covering a lot of flaws, I just don't see why Paul woud join yet another side in transition.
Ronaldo went there around two years too early and I think Pogba would do the same this year.
Ronaldo possibly left another 1 or 2 CL and a couple of league titles on the table when he joined in 09.
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I think you’re spot on with Ronaldo. I think he’d elevate whatever team he was on to that kind of status, he was just that good.
 
marktan said:
The simplest way to see the difference is to see how he plays with France. Griezzman, Mbappe and Giroud are constantly making runs for him. I think he'd be world class in a team like Barca or Real, unfortunately for him we're still a good few years away from having a top team.
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He also plays in a stacked side v outrageously outmatched opposition for 99 percent of their matches.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
Keen on him as a man, yes.

Keen on him as a Utd legend, yes.

Keen on him as potential future Utd permanent manager, yes.

Keen on him as a permanent appointment right now, under the current conditions - a major rebuild, dealing with Woodward / Glazers, implementing modern football and wrestling the PL from Guardiola and Klopp, no.
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And Zidane is better suited to the rebuild? He literally ran away from Real the last time because he didn't want to rebuild on a budget, which is no different to the task we are facing this summer
 
Champagne Football said:
Juventus are apparently very serious about buying him back according to credible sources so I've no idea where you're getting your info from. Neymar was average at Barca but went for £200 million a couple of years ago. Pogba is officially the world's most marketable athlete alive today. Let that sink in and what it might mean for a club in terms of boosting brand and generating income?
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Sadly I think you have hit the nail on the head. SO much more prevalent in modern football that one of the main reasons we want to keep him and other buy him, is the marketable asset he is. If people watched Pogba from a completely neutral point of view, judging him over pretty much any 18month period over his career, he is a very very good player.....but there are plenty of other players at different stages in there careers, football wise are far more value for there probable transfer fee from a football point of view then he is. I have said quite a few times he isnt irreplaceable at all.....but that is football wise
 
Hammondo said:
I would take Erikson over him. Far cheaper as well.
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I was actually thinking watching Eriksen today, good player, admittedly watching him in a point of bad from but the raving he gets and the Barcelona links......is he anywhere near that good at all? When I think of the likes of Zola, Berkamp, Cantona....all time greats of course premiership wise, but he is several rungs down the ladder than those names, good player, but I really dont get the fuss about him
 
Jeffthered said:
And replace him with whom?

And where is this massive drop in form?

He has hit 15 from midfield. And has been, and continues to be our best, most effective outfield player. he plays as poorly as all around him (no worst by the way..) and what happens? You have fans that want to sell him.

Our fan base needs to be more resiliant and realistic. Look at our starting XI yesterday. Martial. Mata. Lindgard comes on. Herrera gets taken off because he is having one. We have Ashley Young ffs.

And who do we blame? Paul Pogba. of course.
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No one is trying to buy the rest of them, so saying I'd take the money for them would be a moot point. Oddly enough this is a thread discussing Pogba, so it's unlikely other's performances are going to be talked about in here.

If you haven't seen the massive drop in form since February I don't know what to say to you, but getting defensive about it is just odd.

He's not irreplaceable and is going to be looking for a bumper new contract in the next couple of years or looking to move on. It's not unthinkable to cash in and move on.
 
rotherham_red said:
And Zidane is better suited to the rebuild? He literally ran away from Real the last time because he didn't want to rebuild on a budget, which is no different to the task we are facing this summer
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How would you know the exact reason Zidane left? That's between him and Perez, anything else is pure speculation on the part of the media. The very fact that he's back when Madrid is badly in need of a rebuild shows he's not scared of the prospect. Perhaps he needed more leverage which he got in his second stint. Right now, the United job looks to be difficult with the current leadership from the board, so I don't think it'll be easy for any manager because winning seems to come second to commercialism.

Also Madrid never rebuilds on a budget, so I doubt that was the reason to begin with but regardless Zidane seems to have negotiated himself a heavy transfer budget.
 
jesperjaap said:
I was actually thinking watching Eriksen today, good player, admittedly watching him in a point of bad from but the raving he gets and the Barcelona links......is he anywhere near that good at all? When I think of the likes of Zola, Berkamp, Cantona....all time greats of course premiership wise, but he is several rungs down the ladder than those names, good player, but I really dont get the fuss about him
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It was an uncharacteristically poor performance. He is a superb player, great decision-maker and quick thinker. He'd be even better at a team like Barca or, shame to say it, City. Nothing surprising at all about him being linked to the best teams IMV.
 
Ole loves Pogba. He's said so many times. The last thing he's gonna do is get rid of his best outfield player.

I don't know why this thread is still a thing.
 
Sayros said:
How would you know the exact reason Zidane left? That's between him and Perez, anything else is pure speculation on the part of the media. The very fact that he's back when Madrid is badly in need of a rebuild shows he's not scared of the prospect. Perhaps he needed more leverage which he got in his second stint. Right now, the United job looks to be difficult with the current leadership from the board, so I don't think it'll be easy for any manager because winning seems to come second to commercialism.

Also Madrid never rebuilds on a budget, so I doubt that was the reason to begin with but regardless Zidane seems to have negotiated himself a heavy transfer budget.
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It is pretty well known that the reason he left was that the original plan was to phase out the old timers and replace them with the kids that they bought, and that there would be modest funds available. All the money was apparently invested in the stadium. Zidane wanted funds which at that time were not forthcoming and the budget was going to be more akin to what Utd would spend - £150m-200m. He left and after two horror appointments Perez relented and gave him the funds he craved.

The Glazers are never going to sign off on 3-400m€ of purchases, so it's more likely Zidane would not have been the man for us if he turned his nose up at the initial plan.
 
rotherham_red said:
It is pretty well known that the reason he left was that the original plan was to phase out the old timers and replace them with the kids that they bought, and that there would be modest funds available. All the money was apparently invested in the stadium. Zidane wanted funds which at that time were not forthcoming and the budget was going to be more akin to what Utd would spend - £150m-200m. He left and after two horror appointments Perez relented and gave him the funds he craved.

The Glazers are never going to sign off on 3-400m€ of purchases, so it's more likely Zidane would not have been the man for us if he turned his nose up at the initial plan.
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I mean, I've heard the story and it makes sense but it's still media speculation as far as I know. Regardless though, the Glazers then need someone to be able to put pressure on them in the way Zidane put pressure on Madrid to get back to serious spending for a proper rebuild. I don't know if Ole or anyone for that matter can do it with them, they don't have the same pressure that Madrid has with their own fans who will boo even CR7, never mind the team they've put forth since his departure.
 
Sayros said:
I mean, I've heard the story and it makes sense but it's still media speculation as far as I know. Regardless though, the Glazers then need someone to be able to put pressure on them in the way Zidane put pressure on Madrid to get back to serious spending for a proper rebuild. I don't know if Ole or anyone for that matter can do it with them, they don't have the same pressure that Madrid has with their own fans who will boo even CR7, never mind the team they've put forth since his departure.
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Imagine if BOTH Pogba and De Gea go to Madrid this summer, while Ed Woodward happily takes Bale in exchange for them, with a 400k/week salary. :wenger:
Redcafe would definitely go into meltdown. :nervous:
 
tieunhilang said:
Imagine if BOTH Pogba and De Gea go to Madrid this summer, while Ed Woodward happily takes Bale in exchange for them, with a 400k/week salary. :wenger:
Redcafe would definitely go into meltdown. :nervous:
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And then imagine if we get Kroos and Higuain on a combined salary of 1,500,000/week, go into financial ruin as a result of missing top 4 3 years in a row, and then get relegated! More RedCafe meltdown!
 
If the roles were reversed this would all be about a new improved contract. Maybe wishful thinking but that's my guess
 
rotherham_red said:
And Zidane is better suited to the rebuild? He literally ran away from Real the last time because he didn't want to rebuild on a budget, which is no different to the task we are facing this summer
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rotherham_red said:
It is pretty well known that the reason he left was that the original plan was to phase out the old timers and replace them with the kids that they bought, and that there would be modest funds available. All the money was apparently invested in the stadium. Zidane wanted funds which at that time were not forthcoming and the budget was going to be more akin to what Utd would spend - £150m-200m. He left and after two horror appointments Perez relented and gave him the funds he craved.

The Glazers are never going to sign off on 3-400m€ of purchases, so it's more likely Zidane would not have been the man for us if he turned his nose up at the initial plan.
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That notion 'Zidane running away because he didn't want to rebuild on a budget' is just not true. All things point to him wanting more say when in comes to signing/selling players, something that has never happened under Perez. Zidane's the manager that didn't like the idea of Perez constantly going for galacticos. He probably had Juve's offer on the table for this summer where he could have cruise through the league, amassing trophies virtually unchallenged, but he went back to Madrid who are struggling.
 
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