He really would. Bale gets often booed whereas he scored for them in Champions League final and CDR final. Real Madrid have one the harshest and most impatient set of fans in the world. He would need to play much more consistently there because the level of scrutiny would be higher
Pogba Future
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Why would Ole lose his job because of Pogba?
Pogba has gotten plenty of importance at Manchester United. Especially under Ole. Maybe under Mourinho he felt he didn't get prioritized.2016-2017 : Rooney was the captain, Carrick the VC and both of them weren't on the pitch it was Valencia, Smalling and Fellaini ( against Sunderland in avril 2017 )
2017-2018 : Valencia was the captain and Ibra/Pogba were the VC until january when Ibra left and Pogba clashed with Mourinho when we played Tottenham. Since then, if Valencia wasn't on the pitch, Young, Smalling and De Gea wore the armband...
2018-2019 : Valencia was the club captain but he hardly never played, Pogba became the captain until Mourinho said that he will never be again the captain of Manchester United. Since then, Young became the captain and Smalling the VC...and if both of them didn't play, it was De Gea.
For the FKs, it's weird. Pogba is your best player but he never take them. If he played with a set-pieces specialist, ok. But Rashford is really bad. Why didn't you allow Pogba to take them ? With Juventus in his last season when Pirlo left, Pogba and Dybala took all the FKs, with the french NT he is the second taker after Griezmann and I even saw Mbappe who is a better player and a bigger name than Rashford asking Pogba to allow him to take a FK in some games ..but here, while he's by far the biggest star in the club and the best player, he never take them because Mourinho and Ole favor Rashford who scored 1 FK in 204 attempt
Yep Ole played him as a DM. Pereira, Fred and even McTominay seemed to play in front of him in the last 10 games of the season ffs
And yes all those things are extremely important for player. Especially if he is the only world class player in the team and on the top of that, was of the biggest star in the football world. It isn't some school picnic. Managing the ego is the most important thing for a manager. It isn't me who said that but the best managers in the world. We aren't in the 70, 80, 90 or 2000s anymore.
I know that the club and the majority of the fans still live in the past but we should wake up if we want to be great again which it isn't the case since a few years because we didn't adapt to the football of the 2010s...
And maybe you right, he isn't doing any favours to ManUtd by playing here. But the opposite is true too. Pogba had a much bigger hype and a much better image when he was playing in Italy with good player around him, great coach and without the entire british media and some club legend against him.
And he's doing nobody a favour by being here. That's a nonsensical and illogical notion to promote. If you didn't have you head up his backside you may actually be able to see that.
They would, but that’s because they’re freaks over there. I wouldn’t say our fans have been ‘really kind’ supporting him. He’s split opinion ever since he came back.
Real Madrid's fans booed every players, even Zidane and Cristiano !
But I doubt that Pogba would be the scapegoat for everything in Madrid. He may be booed but without the toxic environment here with the Mourinho lovers, the Sir Alex stans who never liked him because he proved Sir Alex wrong and the ex players like Scholes bitter about Pogba since 10 years ago backed by Neville etc...
So Pogba was never the club captain and somehow you expected care taker manager to come in and change the hierarchy. He wasn't official captain, just one more option after Valencia.
For the FKs, it's weird. Pogba is your best player but he never take them. If he played with a set-pieces specialist, ok. But Rashford is really bad. Why didn't you allow Pogba to take them ? With Juventus in his last season when Pirlo left, Pogba and Dybala took all the FKs, with the french NT he is the second taker after Griezmann and I even saw Mbappe who is a better player and a bigger name than Rashford asking Pogba to allow him to take a FK in some games ..but here, while he's by far the biggest star in the club and the best player, he never take them because Mourinho and Ole favor Rashford who scored 1 FK in 204 attempt
Pogba is not the best free kick taker. Mata is by far the best one and how many FKs did Pogba score? Fro, what I remember, it's 0.
Yep Ole played him as a DM. Pereira, Fred and even McTominay seemed to play in front of him in the last 10 games of the season ffs
That nonsense and just lie. Go and check average position, well that requires some effort before making random points.
Vs Cardiff - McTominay was the deepest midfielder. Pereira was next deepest and then Pogba.
Vs Hudderfield - Matic was the deepest midfielder. McT was behind Pogba.
Vs chelsea - Matic and Herrera were deepest midfielder. Pogba was the most advanced one.
Vs City - Fred was the deepest midfielder. Pogba was second deepest midfielder.
Vs Everton - Fred and Matic was the deepest midfielder and Pogba was the most advanced one.
That's the last 5 games, easy to see what you said is just nonsense.
What is extremely important? Arm band, free kicks, playing as DM is something you just made up. What's important for players is to be in a position to win trophies which we aren't, not some childish things you said.
This blind player worship is just hilarious. Make up some shit and post randomly without any truth and then claim how fans live in past.3 years here and we never built the team around him. What an importance
And if you think that he isn't good enough to be THE GUY, at least try to create a good team with Pogba as a sidekick.
But no ! we prefered to waste 3 years and now we are surprised that he wants to leave ?
And if we talk about the issues off the pitch... I can't see one reason that may convince him to stay
So Pogba was never the club captain and somehow you expected care taker manager to come in and change the hierarchy. He wasn't official captain, just one more option after Valencia.
Pogba is not the best free kick taker. Mata is by far the best one and how many FKs did Pogba score? Fro, what I remember, it's 0.
That nonsense and just lie. Go and check average position, well that requires some effort before making random points.
Vs Cardiff - McTominay was the deepest midfielder. Pereira was next deepest and then Pogba.
Vs Hudderfield - Matic was the deepest midfielder. McT was behind Pogba.
Vs chelsea - Matic and Herrera were deepest midfielder. Pogba was the most advanced one.
Vs City - Fred was the deepest midfielder. Pogba was second deepest midfielder.
Vs Everton - Fred and Matic was the deepest midfielder and Pogba was the most advanced one.
That's the last 5 games, easy to see what you said is just nonsense.
What is extremely important? Arm band, free kicks, playing as DM is something you just made up. What's important for players is to be in a position to win trophies which we aren't, not some childish things you said.
Complete nonsense.
If bale is included in any offer from Madrid it will include them paying (at least a portion of) his wage over the next few years and would help them get around FFP, whilst offsetting the Pogba fee means they see some return on their troublesome asset. For mufc it would remove the wage itself as an issue but still a risk of him spending his time here on the treatment table.
Like I said make up some nonsense and post randomly without any truth.
Played as DM in last 10 games
"hope the player leave the club as he is too good" "he deserves to play at bigger club"
It's as if these guys support Pogba than ManUtd.
This player and manager worship is hilarious and pathetic.
It's as if these guys support Pogba than ManUtd.
This player and manager worship is hilarious and pathetic.
Will we buy a replacement before we sell him? I think we should. Rather get in one or 2 before we sell him.
Seen the rumours of 120m for him and I think that's a pretty fair price really, if we let him go for that I'd be happy.
He is also of the opinion of selling him for 80-100m. A non United fan in disguise?
The OT fans have been kind to him in general. He's never been flat out booed.
So when he leaves, will you join the appropriate forum, you don't seem very much of a United fan. He's a great player but sometimes it's just not meant to work out at United for a lot of various reasons.
I'll never understand this logic, for a long while I wanted him to stay because I felt he never clearly expressed his desire to leave (even if he was really ambiguous). You can like any player you want but the club has always gotta be the priority.
Yeah poor guy should be released for free so that he can play at much bigger club.
Exactly, this is what I don't understand. Rating player better than other, player or manager is all something you do with club's future in mind. End of the day all the arguments is to find something best for the club and then we have fan boys who wants the club to be fecked so that their favorite player can play elsewhere.
Don't bother trying to understand the logic of "fanboys". They can elevate a 21 year old prick to a demigod status.
It s also a cultural thing. In some parts the world it s a common thing for fans to support a team because of a certain player.
He needs to be gone ASAP but get his replacement in first.
On a side note he was sat in the stands during our best performance last season(PSG away)
He will be no loss to the squad at all.
On a side note he was sat in the stands during our best performance last season(PSG away)
He will be no loss to the squad at all.
So why doesn't he go somewhere where he can train properly, instead of bumping into thousands of tourists?
I'll tell you why – it's because he's a showy cnut.
Do you think it's coincidental that people give him a hard time?
He acts the prick and gets treated accordingly.
Him and his agent are absolutely cancerous.
There are lots of parks and areas in NYC where people train with space. You're right with this assessment. I don't get what's the point of filming where there are too many pedestrians.
I'd rather see him go back to Juve than Madrid, but I'm not sure either have the cash so I see both offering players in exchange, I know these sort of transfers rarely happen but as we are in the box seat (I hope) who would be acceptable in a player swap ? Would Juve give us any of Pjanic-Bernardeschi-Bentacur-Keane-Dybala ? I'd take Pjanic in heartbeat.
I see that and like you said, it is cultural. I can appreciate certain individuals but never to the point of being narrow minded like that. I really hope our club uses this situation to reinvest in the team, we badly needed new midfielders even if he stayed (Matic is still a major issue and Herrera is gone)Don't bother trying to understand the logic of "fanboys". They can elevate a 21 year old prick to a demigod status.
It s also a cultural thing. In some parts the world it s a common thing for fans to support a team because of a certain player.
They have the club's best interest at heart and this is what you confuse with bitterness. When all is said and done, if Pogba played more consistently with United still struggling to get good results, they would never criticize him like they have.
It really does hurt that it's gone this way with Pogba.
I think he's a good kid at heart, someone with a natural flair on the pitch and a love for life off it.
And I will take someone whose worst crime is a proclivity for shit haircuts and dancing over people who get done for drink driving or shag their brother's wife...
But sadly Pogba for one reason or another has decided that he doesn't want to be here and he has already been enough of a circus, so get rid before our pre-season gets derailed.
He will go to Juve or Madrid and do well and we'll be told that we made a mistake in getting rid, but the truth is that he's not at the level of a Keane, Vieira, Gerrard or Scholes in that they would all elevate a team or dictate a game. Pogba is a nothing player unless the team is perfectly tuned up.
FAR better players than Pogba have left United – let's just get rid and move on. Maybe we can sneak Lingard into his suitcase.
First, there were so few WC performances here that am not sure what you will remember tbf. There were some, but they are also mixed with some absolute horror shows as that Liverpool game, Kante killing him at Bridge in 4-0 win or Spurs away when he was first substituted. The really disappointing part, as someone already said, is not his leaving (we probably all suspected that at some point), but the lack of performances on a truly WC level we all expected when we bought him.
Also, as much as we failed to surround him with the best platform to produce, especially surround him with a bit more creativity, he also failed here quite badly.
Paul Pogba came here to play in a midfield two and he thought he could do it on a highest level.
Forget his best games for Juventus, there is no way he came to United for that fee before his role was clearly defined with Mourinho and he played it for a year and a half here with us probably selling the idea of giving him the keys of United midfield. In that position he couldn't control the game because he was diddling with the ball too much and was a major defensive liability against better midfields. So, Paul Pogba project failed because both the club and him thought he can play something he isn't quite capable.
When we finally move on from that I think the whole "project" already did too much damage in terms of relationship. Just to add to the whole thing or as an icing on the cake, he then put half-arsed performance every third game in his "favorite" position on a left side of a midfield three 75 degrees from the north.
That's why I've been supporting him, I like players who are a bit of "free spirits" in their plays and personnalities. However we need players fully commited to the team in each min of each game. It frustrates me so much that a talent like that is given to someone who is so laid back and at times disconnected.
There were a few games where I thought, if he only could keep this up on longer spells, we have a ballon d'Or contender in our team but I guess it's not in his nature.
It’s sad but actually true. As soon as we changed our tactics and did some internal Herrera disciplining. We crashed out of the top 4 race.
He maybe a kid with "a good heart"...but don't forget the "heart" of his agent may not be so good.
He should be careful not to end up like balotelli
He should be careful not to end up like balotelli
You're definitly not a united fan. what a load of BS.
Exactly. Bryan Robson's peak as a player coincided with the club's dark period of the 80s. Yet, he's loved and revered by young and old, most of whom have likely never seen him play. Simply because he did precisely that: he gave his all to the club and was a beacon when everything else was going to shit.
Pogba has it in him to be that but he just doesn't care to work hard enough for it. He can go to Spain but I don't see him getting much in the way of silverware over there once the Zidane project flops and once that happens, I'll love to see his next move.
Pogba didn't play as DM in last 10 games. He played deeper than usual but not as DM or deepest midfielder.
Well said there. That's the most frustrating part for me.
Agree with all this, apart from Lingard. Just leave him in australia
The more I've watched him, I just don't think he's suited to the way the Premier League has gone. I think Italy could well be the best league to showcase his talents. Given the way the game has evolved in England, I think there are very real doubts about his stamina and ability to thrive under the insane level of pressure on the ball. He's a brilliant technician, but the game has passed him by a fair few times in his time here. I just think he's been quite spoilt and cosseted throughout his career. Even at Juve they carved out a specific free-ish sort of role for him to showcase his talents. He can play a disciplined role, but he's not great at it and you blunt his true talents. I think we have too many major issues to be messing around trying to unlock the enigma of Pogba.
And hide his passport so he can't come back.
After 3 seasons, you're right.
I just don't get how people think getting £150 million for him, which we won't, is some kind of victory for us, and also assume that all this will be reinvested.
A well run club would have set a deadline to get this done, and have a replacement either already here, or ready to go, not be sat here not knowing if your best player is going to turn up for the tour, have his agent chatting crap, and purchasing clubs smelling blood.
Realistically if he's going he should be gone by now, but this will drag on for weeks, especially if we're holding out for £150 million as so many think we should, I just can't see us having the time, or ability in the transfer market to replace him properly, if at all.
A well run club would have set a deadline to get this done, and have a replacement either already here, or ready to go, not be sat here not knowing if your best player is going to turn up for the tour, have his agent chatting crap, and purchasing clubs smelling blood.
Realistically if he's going he should be gone by now, but this will drag on for weeks, especially if we're holding out for £150 million as so many think we should, I just can't see us having the time, or ability in the transfer market to replace him properly, if at all.
Exactly he played deeper. He played the same role he was failing in with Mourinho and it made no sense. Okay maybe Herrera was actually ‘injured’ but we could have gave Fred his role which we didn’t and we even deployed McTomminay more advanced than Pogba in games I.e. Wolves.
It was just a tactical mess and to be honest I actually hope we get the money for him because I can see us playing the same way with him next season. I mean are we even looking to replace Herrera. It’s just strange how we are being ran at the minute.