Pogba and Kouyate the 'athletic specimens'| Media stereotypes Part II

[The BlackGaijin]

No they don't. It's always about him being mature for his age.

With Pogba, the conversation tends to be regarding power and speed. And it's not even his biggest strength. He is largely a creator with fantastic technique. I wouldn't even say he is all that strong or tough. He loses more duels and gets knocked off the ball than many tinier players.

This is what we are talking about.This here.
Racial bias can be very subtle. This is what the thread is about. This is what the Key and peele sketch is about. This is what they are talking about in American football.

It’s the language we use to describe black footballers as compared to white ones. You might think it’s nothing but as personally I find it annoying,offensive,and racist.Its not Slavery but like I said there are degrees of racist behavior. I don’t think shutting up about it helps anyone.

 

[b82REZ]

"A fit Gareth Bale is an absolute specimen."

Will Lampard's assessment of Bale get the same kind of attention?

 

[Desert Eagle]

Which is fine but your example is in my opinion not a good one, there is no problem with the point that you are trying to make but you need to do it with an example that is relevant. Just think about it this way, in the context of the PL Kouyaté and Pogba are exactly what PL fans rave about, athletic superiority, while Pogba is more than that we can't pretend that people aren't looking for a dual between him and Kouyaté, also it happens that Kouyaté being a DM and Pogba an AM they were going to be matched all game. The same comment would have been a lot stranger in the rest of Europe where this subject isn't really important and is barely mentioned.

Now where I can agree with you is with the strange comparisons that are made by commentators, like with Makélélé-Kanté or Drogba-Lukaku in these cases it's easy to see what led the comparison and it's not their footballing characteristics.

While I agree with the gist of the thread, I actually think the comparisons you brought up aren't the best. I think both pairs have a lot in common beyond the phenotypical.

 

[JPRouve]

While I agree with the gist of the thread, I actually think the comparisons you brought up aren't the best. I think both pairs have a lot in common beyond the phenotypical.

They have nothing in common in the way they play, nothing.

 

[Desert Eagle]

They have nothing in common in the way they play, nothing.

Drogba-Lukaku: Hold up play, Aerial prowess, they're both fit what Mourinho wants from his striker.

Kante-Makelele- Usually makes the simple pass, incredible stamina, defensive prowess.

Where do you disagree?

 

[JPRouve]

Drogba-Lukaku: Hold up play, Aerial prowess, they're both fit what Mourinho wants from his striker.

Kante-Makelele- Usually makes the simple pass, incredible stamina, defensive prowess.

Where do you disagree?

I disagree with everything you said about Drogba Lukaku, one is a target man, the other is a pure goalscorer. Lukaku hold up play isn't particularly good, he isn't particularly strong in duals and he isn't consistent in the air. Mandzukic is a modern day Drogba, while Lukaku is more like a Roy Makaay.
Makélélé was a sweeper while Kanté is a hunter, Kanté isn't good at sitting and covering, his game is about closing and chasing. One was a 6 the other is an 8.

 

[Desert Eagle]

I disagree with everything you said about Drogba Lukaku, one is a target man, the other is a pure goalscorer. Lukaku hold up play isn't particularly good, he isn't particularly strong in duals and he isn't consistent in the air. Mandzukic is a modern day Drogba, while Lukaku is more like a Roy Makaay.
Makélélé was a sweeper while Kanté is a hunter, Kanté isn't good at sitting and covering, his game is about closing and chasing. One was a 6 the other is an 8.

I'd agree with the bolded. Lukakus hold up play at times has been excellent this season. It can get better of course but i disagree with isn't particularly good. He is definitely good in the air. In around 30 less games he already has more headed goals in the PL than Drogba. I know it's not just about goals but even the assist for Martial against spurs is a good example that springs to mind. Also you have to factor in their age. Drogba at Chelsea was 26 to 34. Lukaku has had one consistent season in a big team at 24. Winning duels consistently is mainly seen in experienced players who have learned how to best leverage their body weight etc. Is Mandzukic more similar to Drogba than Lukaku ? I'd agree with that. To say they have absolutely nothing in common is pure hyperbole though. Anyways good discussion, I'm gonna focus on the dipper threads for now.

 

[JPRouve]

I'd agree with the bolded. Lukakus hold up play at times has been excellent this season. It can get better of course but i disagree with isn't particularly good. He is definitely good in the air. In around 30 less games he already has more headed goals in the PL than Drogba. I know it's not just about goals but even the assist for Martial against spurs is a good example that springs to mind. Also you have to factor in their age. Drogba at Chelsea was 26 to 34. Lukaku has had one consistent season in a big team at 24. Winning duels consistently is mainly seen in experienced players who have learned how to best leverage their body weight etc. Is Mandzukic more similar to Drogba than Lukaku ? I'd agree with that. To say they have absolutely nothing in common is pure hyperbole though. Anyways good discussion, I'm gonna focus on the dipper threads for now.

But that's the thing, you exposed the entire thing. Drogba games wasn't about goals and he doesn't have a lot of them, his game was about being arguably the best in every other aspect of the game. It's the complete opposite with Lukaku who scores lots of goals but isn't the best in the other aspect of the game. Drogba never had Lukaku's finishing instinct, technique, speed with and without the ball, and by the way Makaay that used as a comparison only had the finishing instincts in common with Lukaku on top of their role on the field, as poachers.

And by football standards they have nothing alike in the sense that they don't play the same role, they don't have the same particular strength.

 

[Sterling Archer]

"A fit Gareth Bale is an absolute specimen."

Will Lampard's assessment of Bale get the same kind of attention?

Thanks for just reading the title and not the full quote. I thought bolding the questionable parts would get people to consider the whole. Nope .You can't accept that this is an issue in sports commentary. So you ignore the whole and pick on small snippets that suit your beliefs.

For what it's worth , Bale is the perfect example of how idiotic and blindsided fans are. You'll put up pictures mocking Bale as looking like a monkey and say 'its not racist to throw a banana on the field at Balotelli bc look, we make fun of Bale in the same way. '

 

[b82REZ]

Thanks for just reading the title and not the full quote. I thought bolding the questionable parts would get people to consider the whole. Nope .You can't accept that this is an issue in sports commentary. So you ignore the whole and pick on small snippets that suit your beliefs.

For what it's worth , Bale is the perfect example of how idiotic and blindsided fans are. You'll put up pictures mocking Bale as looking like a monkey and say 'its not racist to throw a banana on the field at Balotelli bc look, we make fun of Bale in the same way. '

That is exactly what you are doing.

As for your second paragraph, who had condoned any of that You're creating hypothetical situations to suit your agenda.