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Sorry, 6.5 hours of game-play isn't worth £50. Doubt anyone did a speed run of the last of us in that time on their first crack at it. Why is it cynicism to state that something isn't worth the retail price? If I see a pair of jeans and say they aren't worth £100 is that being a cynic? No, it is just looking at the bang for your buck. The game is all over Youtube etc, it is out there to judge.

I havent watched it as I dont want to spoil anything but from what ive read the fella who completed it quickly was sprinting straight through entire areas meant for exploration and ignoring any collectibles just going straight to the next area so maybe not a speed run but he was definitely rushing through it, maybe to get his playthrough out there first. The four or five on neogaf who have completed it range from 9 to 13 hours so id assume these people are playing the game normally, those times seem fair to me.
 
Which is what I said - 6.5 hours of game-play and 4.5 hours of cut-scenes. Or are you saying 15 to 18 hours in total (with the cut scences)? I can see some people are invested in it emotionally and can't wait to play it, which is fair enough as it does look a cracking game. I'm just saying my money will be staying in my back pocket for a good few months before playing it myself. Horses for courses.
 
Which is what I said - 6.5 hours of game-play and 4.5 hours of cut-scenes. Or are you saying 15 to 18 hours in total (with the cut scences)? I can see some people are invested in it emotionally and can't wait to play it, which is fair enough as it does look a cracking game. I'm just saying my money will be staying in my back pocket for a good few months before playing it myself. Horses for courses.

I'm not entirely sure what the cut scene to gameplay ratio is ill try and find out, the times I gave before were total time played so both gameplay and cut scenes. Oh yeah I can totally see why some would give it a miss for now due to the price, little replay incentive and no MP etc. But it does look fantastic and almost all the spoiler free impressions so far are positive with some minor gripes & negatives but so far everyone has recommended people try the game. It's a bit hard to follow threads on the order over on neogaf though, it's pretty mental, console wars are serious business it seems. :D
 
Total non interactive cut scene time is 2 hours 10 mins. That's actually less than I thought, I was thinking between 3 and four hours.
 
I was quite hyped up for The Order but I don't think I'm going to be getting this at full price now. It's not even about the longevity, I don't mind a game being shortish - 6 hours is a bit too short mind, I'd have prefered it to be around 10-12 hours which is perfect, it's about the gameplay which appears to be based mostly around QTE and unless a game is focused strongly on it from the beginning (Heavy Rain was pure QTE and I loved it) with a strong plot I don't find myself enjoying it much. It feels like they were aiming for something different at the beginning but then turned it into a graphics fest trying to show off console capabilities, it wasn't necessary, we just needed a good game in the mould of Uncharted/TLOU.

Besides my backlog is already incredible on next gen and I still find myself playing GTA5, DriveClub, Forza Horizon and FIFA 90 per cent of the time. Dying Light alone will probably keep me occupied until mid-March at current pace (I love it by the way, really good atmosphere and it really does look like it has great potential to develop as I progress).
 
Just had a bit of a mooch about the order and seen the full playthrough on youtube, watched a few bits of it and I actually think it looks quite good. Better than I was expecting.

Don't know why people are moaning, the length? People rush through games anyway, look at people on your PSN/Live, they won't be even close to fully exploring and completing most of their games. Also, the QT events or whatever they're called, I actually see no problem, Shenmue was a brilliant game and that had loads. QTE's aren't made to be easier, I mean, you can make any game easy once you know how to do something the best way, there's always a way. Seems people just want to moan because they don't want to pay the price for a game.

I just seen a game earlier "Wonder Boy In Monster World" for the megadrive I used to love... it was completed on a youtube video in less than 3 hours,without any difficulty, I know people in the retro game thread speed run through games due to how easy they are.

It's just a generation of spoilt kids at the minute, half of them wont even watch the story or follow it, just want to complete it and take it back down to CEX so they can use the cash plus their pocket money to pick up another game.
 
Just had a bit of a mooch about the order and seen the full playthrough on youtube, watched a few bits of it and I actually think it looks quite good. Better than I was expecting.

Don't know why people are moaning, the length? People rush through games anyway, look at people on your PSN/Live, they won't be even close to fully exploring and completing most of their games. Also, the QT events or whatever they're called, I actually see no problem, Shenmue was a brilliant game and that had loads. QTE's aren't made to be easier, I mean, you can make any game easy once you know how to do something the best way, there's always a way. Seems people just want to moan because they don't want to pay the price for a game.

I just seen a game earlier "Wonder Boy In Monster World" for the megadrive I used to love... it was completed on a youtube video in less than 3 hours,without any difficulty, I know people in the retro game thread speed run through games due to how easy they are.

It's just a generation of spoilt kids at the minute, half of them wont even watch the story or follow it, just want to complete it and take it back down to CEX so they can use the cash plus their pocket money to pick up another game.

That doesn't make sense. People wouldn't moan about length of the game and then rush to trade it to CEX.

I will still be getting it. But to be honest, I lost my interest when they said no multiplayer. I know people say they find annoying multiplayer tacked on and so. But when I saw the first trailer with the multiple characters, I assumed there would be coop and this would be Sonys answer to Gears.
 
That doesn't make sense. People wouldn't moan about length of the game and then rush to trade it to CEX.

I will still be getting it. But to be honest, I lost my interest when they said no multiplayer. I know people say they find annoying multiplayer tacked on and so. But when I saw the first trailer with the multiple characters, I assumed there would be coop and this would be Sonys answer to Gears.

It makes perfect sense, we are a culture full of idiots and complainers.
 
That doesn't make sense. People wouldn't moan about length of the game and then rush to trade it to CEX.

I will still be getting it. But to be honest, I lost my interest when they said no multiplayer. I know people say they find annoying multiplayer tacked on and so. But when I saw the first trailer with the multiple characters, I assumed there would be coop and this would be Sonys answer to Gears.

I wish it had some form of MP too or even co-op though I'd rather they did it right than do it at all, something like the Last of Us. I really didnt expect much from it's MP as the Uncharted one didnt really pull me in but it had all the quality the full game had and I put quite a considerable amount of time into it, I'd probably still play it every now and again if the game wasn't in my mates house. Though I realise Ready at Dawn is quite a small team who are working on their first full console game, even building their own engine so concessions had to be made somewhere.
 
The embargo Is up 2 days before release, that's a good sign and the devs released a statement saying the 5 hour thing is bullshit. Guess we will see what the reviews say on Wednesday I'm guessing it will score between 8-9.

The whole review industry is bent. Ign and Gamespot will likely score it highly. Wait for user reviews, they will tell the true story.

Eurogamer have a video about The Order on their YouTube channel. Well worth checking out if you're on the fence.
 
The whole review industry is bent. Ign and Gamespot will likely score it highly. Wait for user reviews, they will tell the true story.

Eurogamer have a video about The Order on their YouTube channel. Well worth checking out if you're on the fence.
User reviews on meta critic are not a good way to judge at all. There are too many idiot fanboys with agendas.

For me metacritic critic review score is the fairest and in general the best way to judge a game when on the fence
 
Based on what, you're saying this?
based on previews and early impressions ever since it was announced and also lots of rumours I read on twitter which seem to be gathering steam that is actually a bit shit too with a rubbish story
 
User reviews on meta critic are not a good way to judge at all. There are too many idiot fanboys with agendas.

For me metacritic critic review score is the fairest and in general the best way to judge a game when on the fence

Which is why I didn't say Metacritic, that place is full of fanbois.I mean general feelings towards it by average gamers. I place very little emphasis on a numerical score.

In a week or so we'll know whether it's worth the wait and release price or if it's a game you can wait until the summer and pick up for £20.

Fwiw I have a friend who works for SCEE and while he's not worked directly on The Order he's played it and he was very underwhelmed.
 
Which is why I didn't say Metacritic, that place is full of fanbois.I mean general feelings towards it by average gamers. I place very little emphasis on a numerical score.

In a week or so we'll know whether it's worth the wait and release price or if it's a game you can wait until the summer and pick up for £20.

Fwiw I have a friend who works for SCEE and while he's not worked directly on The Order he's played it and he was very underwhelmed.
yeah sorry I assumed you meant metacritic

Im not sure I believe the entire industry is bent. I think they dont look to dish out overly harsh scores at times I suppose but usually average critic review score is quite fair and accurate.

Not good news on The Order. Sony badly needs a good exclusive, Bloodbourne better be amazing
 
yeah sorry I assumed you meant metacritic

Im not sure I believe the entire industry is bent. I think they dont look to dish out overly harsh scores at times I suppose but usually average critic review score is quite fair and accurate.

Not good news on The Order. Sony badly needs a good exclusive, Bloodbourne better be amazing
It's all cool when they know Uncharted is going to be amazing and a guaranteed success.
 
yeah sorry I assumed you meant metacritic

Im not sure I believe the entire industry is bent. I think they dont look to dish out overly harsh scores at times I suppose but usually average critic review score is quite fair and accurate.

Not good news on The Order. Sony badly needs a good exclusive, Bloodbourne better be amazing

I think in the long run Sony will have better exclusives but I don't see if starting with The Order. I expect Bloodbourne to be good and Uncharted will be another Uncharted, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.
 
It's all cool when they know Uncharted is going to be amazing and a guaranteed success.
Uncharted will sell no doubt and I'm really looking forward to it, however I don't think it'll be revolutionising the genre.

I still think we're a couple of years away from games having the graphics of The Order and new, interesting gameplay.
 
Exclusives are a disappointment these days in general, the companies who make them believe the fanboy hype but the fact is they're making games which aren't anything special compared to the multiplatform games.
 
Guys, check out psn store. After Valentine day's sale, they have another great sale going on.

Glad I hold out on Tomb raider. Grabbing it for 18$
 
Correction for ps plus it's 14 bucks :eek:. cheapest i could find on online used websites for 25 bucks and gamestop cnuts are selling used at 30 $
 
This discount is reaaaaaaaallly tempting i'm looking at Wolfenstein, South Park and Dragon Age ...
 
I have three days off due to sickness so I finally got down to playing Dying Light properly. So far it's been good, I'm 3 missions in so it's still very early doors but I like the idea behind it, game mechanics are cool and it's got both a feeling of a hunting game (during the day) and a proper survival horror (during the night, it really does get frightening!). I like the design much more than I did in Dead Island too, it looks like they built on the experience gathered during that project and created a more accomplished game here. I can see why it's got mostly 80% scores from gamers.
 
Im gonna predict metacritic average of about 55-60 for the Order

I think 70 for me. Main critisism will be how short and not much replay value.

Exclusives are a disappointment these days in general, the companies who make them believe the fanboy hype but the fact is they're making games which aren't anything special compared to the multiplatform games.

Unless they Nintendo exclusives!
 
The rumoured length and lack of multiplayer is going to pull the score down whatever happens, I think its going to get a lot of praise for its graphics and level of detail. So I'm gonna go for anything between Ryse and Infamous Second Son, around 70, I'll be surprised if its under that though.
 
I really want to expand on the type of games I play. Getting bored of football games and CoD.

I'm pretty tempted on Dragon Age or maybe Diablo but I'm not sure if they're my kind of games. Wolfenstein looks good too.

EDIT- Far Cry 4 is surely worth €40 (£29.50) isn't it?
 
I really want to expand on the type of games I play. Getting bored of football games and CoD.

I'm pretty tempted on Dragon Age or maybe Diablo but I'm not sure if they're my kind of games. Wolfenstein looks good too.

EDIT- Far Cry 4 is surely worth €40 (£29.50) isn't it?

Dragon Age is very long and its mechanics are pretty complicated, plenty of things to do, you need to upgrade your character, follow the story, make decisions etc. If you've not been playing this sort of game for a while then I wouldn't really recommend it, I've started it but has since put it aside for future when I have more time to play. It's not much of a pick up and play sort of game.

Have you played GTA5? If not then it's the best pick of the bunch. Far Cry 4 is fine but you need to get into it properly, I couldn't so it's also in my backlog right now but I'll probably finish it around March/April (Dragon Age will wait until Summer).
 
BTW some new discounts on European PS Store. You can get Tomb Raider for £11, I think I'm finally going to cave in and buy it. Murdered Soul Suspect looks good value at £9 too, while it hasn't got the best review it's still supposed to be a decent game and at this price it's certainly interesting. I'd grab Evil Within for £19 but it's been mostly criticised for its gameplay and people on here have said it was terrible so I am probably going to give it a skip for now and will buy it once it's £10 or something.
 
I really want to expand on the type of games I play. Getting bored of football games and CoD.

I'm pretty tempted on Dragon Age or maybe Diablo but I'm not sure if they're my kind of games. Wolfenstein looks good too.

EDIT- Far Cry 4 is surely worth €40 (£29.50) isn't it?

The Last of Us (my pick of any bunch)
GTA5 (best GTA to date for me)
Alien Isolation (tense horror FPS not alot of gun play but it's very good)
Far Cry 4 (still havent finished this mysef but if youve just been playing cod etc it'll be a refreshing change but still familliar gameplay)
Destiny (main campaign is alot of fun with friends though gets very repetitive once youve done all the missions, good PvP multiplayer too)
Infamous Second Son (if you can get this cheap then its worth a try, great graphics & fun to play)

any one of those and you'll be pretty happy for a good while, Wolfenstein is highly rated by those who've played it but it has no online multiplayer incase that's what you'd look for in a FPS, other than that if you like racing games I'd also recommend Driveclub.
 
Dragon Age is very long and its mechanics are pretty complicated, plenty of things to do, you need to upgrade your character, follow the story, make decisions etc. If you've not been playing this sort of game for a while then I wouldn't really recommend it, I've started it but has since put it aside for future when I have more time to play. It's not much of a pick up and play sort of game.

Have you played GTA5? If not then it's the best pick of the bunch. Far Cry 4 is fine but you need to get into it properly, I couldn't so it's also in my backlog right now but I'll probably finish it around March/April (Dragon Age will wait until Summer).
I had GTA5 on PS3, never got a chance to complete it but I don't think I can justify buying it again on PS4.

I've been looking at reviews on a good few games and none of them are really gripping me. I'll definitely look at Tomb Raider though, not that much of a risk for that price.
 
BTW some new discounts on European PS Store. You can get Tomb Raider for £11, I think I'm finally going to cave in and buy it. Murdered Soul Suspect looks good value at £9 too, while it hasn't got the best review it's still supposed to be a decent game and at this price it's certainly interesting. I'd grab Evil Within for £19 but it's been mostly criticised for its gameplay and people on here have said it was terrible so I am probably going to give it a skip for now and will buy it once it's £10 or something.

I assure you, it isn't.
 
The Last of Us (my pick of any bunch)
GTA5 (best GTA to date for me)
Alien Isolation (tense horror FPS not alot of gun play but it's very good)
Far Cry 4 (still havent finished this mysef but if youve just been playing cod etc it'll be a refreshing change but still familliar gameplay)
Destiny (main campaign is alot of fun with friends though gets very repetitive once youve done all the missions, good PvP multiplayer too)
Infamous Second Son (if you can get this cheap then its worth a try, great graphics & fun to play)

any one of those and you'll be pretty happy for a good while, Wolfenstein is highly rated by those who've played it but it has no online multiplayer incase that's what you'd look for in a FPS, other than that if you like racing games I'd also recommend Driveclub.
Thanks! Yeah I did get TLOU and loved it, was also looking at Second Son which is available for a pretty cheap price now so I may look into that.

I might wait and see what kind of reviews The Order gets, also like the look of Tom Clancy's The Division but they haven't even specified a release date for that yet.