Gaming PlayStation 4 (Console)
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Weaste you not going to take that are you?
No, he's a wanker!
Programming is in your blood, but you never learnt how to do it very well did you? You are a bit like me in this respect - in a different way - I abandoned it for whatever reason, you abandoned it for whatever reason. Why are we not both working at ICE and bumming each other for fun in the evenings?
No, because I'm a fecking good programmer, and he's a game designer.
Lambs, I wouldn't take that. Own him!
What are you doing quoting developers of Metro? Have you seen it?
The fecking tessellation is borked, the self-shadow is to about a foot away from the characters and the PC version couldn't even support CPUs before SSE4.1! I mean the game is made for the GPU heavy consoles, how the feck did they manage that one?
On my i7 it uses so much cpu it's ridiculous, why? For crying out loud they even allowed people to set a 0.5 AA which fecks the resolution. Shit port from pc-lite consoles is a joke. Even though, ironically, the PS4 and XBone dev kits really are laptops!
Lambs and weaste. You two need to get a room, have some make up sex and just accept that you are both bloody good in your own fields of expertise :-)
Your precious Sony beg to differ. Have you featured in playstation magazines for both amateur and professional work? No. You just talk.
I haven't abandoned it at all, I will return one day. I just quit the industry because I have principles and mostly because it's a shit place to be. I could just as easily have worked on GTA-san andreas up to 5, or the recent Batman games if I wanted.
Hell I very nearly ended up in Sony's technical department from either London or Liverpool. Not sad I chose a different path there after what's happened.
Own him? To say he's my bitch's bitch is an understatement
His field is drinking and reading technical manuals. He's good at that!
Back on topic, if any of you who have played Metro redux get a chance to play the original Metro 2033 then do it. The redux games are good if you haven't played them before, but the original is better.
@WeasteDevil serious question, what's actually with the tessellation and AA and all that on the PS4? Tombraider lacks either (bar post processing) and the Metro redux is basically the PC version set to low. Is the AA particularly that costly?
@WeasteDevil serious question, what's actually with the tessellation and AA and all that on the PS4? Tombraider lacks either (bar post processing) and the Metro redux is basically the PC version set to low. Is the AA particularly that costly?
I got Metro coming hopefully tomorrow. I had Last light on ps plus, but I didn't get around to playing it. I heard good things about the first game though.
No. You just talk.
Don't start bringing that type of bullshit into it.
You can can about 2x performance by going to the hardware directly rather than going through an API running on a multi-tasking OS doing all sorts of other shit at the same time. The fact that you are contesting this makes you look like an amateur.
Does anyone even do MSAA on PC any more? I thought that super sampling was the most efficient way to go with rigs that would burn as much power as an air conditioning unit on full power for a month?
Redux lacks the volumetric lighting no?
This is what I hate about you "the PC version", what does that mean? Running on a GTX Titan or on a €400 laptop? A PS4 would smoke a €400 laptop!
The redux is good, but it kind of ruins the first game in a way.
If you are talking like for like then it's still wrong. You'd get a boost yes, but by twice across the board? Come on man, be serious. DirectX isn't ideal but it's not that fecking bad, and have you seen the PS4 sdk? You need to go deeper to really get to grips, as with every console, but seriously who has the time for that? I've told you time and time again you could be a fecking genius programmer and fall flat in the industry, it just doesn't work how you are used to.
There is no equivalent desktop hardware to the PS4 for the reason that there's no need to be. The CPU is weak and incredibly inferior to any modern day PC cpu and the GPU, whilst nice, is used like a mobile one. A mid-level one at that. Hell you could spend £70 on a R7 right now and couple it with a low-level i5 and you can keep pace with a PS4.
You greatly underestimate what a properly set up PC can do btw, my gaming rig boots almost as fast as any console and I don't even use a SSD for it.
Of course I have seen it. I'm quoting them because they are generally quite forthcoming and honest.
Do you not believe them?
So you disagree with Carmack (I'm better than he his)? He said exactly the same thing several years ago.
Ok, carry on smoking!
That's because it's dick waving with you. The PC version means something that runs on a PC, duh. In layman's terms, when we talk PC vs console we are talking about same resolution and fps, but what settings you can push.
For example Metro redux on the PS4 maintains 60fps @1080p but with the equivalent of 'low' settings in the PC menu options, but with certain things forced. It isn't shoddy, but most people who own a gaming PC can do that at probably a slightly lower resolution. Mine, for example, will push high with advanced physx and not quite average 60, but not far from it.
The second comment was made because you make comments to provoke. It doesn't change the first comment.
They also said "for a budget machine".
Vs a laptop yes! Not a desktop. Why don't you pull up your battlefield 4 chart again, so I can show how stupid that comparison is yet again? You fudge things around in circles, but you are still wrong. It's just as stupid as when people say the PS4 is * x better than the PS3.
We might as well compare the PS4 to a dell laptop.
Another point here, if you have seen it, what's going on with the shadows?
Oh lord! So anything running a version of Windows right? Even from 2004? Good luck with that!
I don't think that the developer said it was at low settings, but high. We can dig that out.....
Are you calling Oles Shishkovstov a liar?
Anyway, you keep on using this term "PC", when there is no way to define it.
Are you calling Oles Shishkovstov a liar?
The feck is going on in here tonight?
Haha perfect gif for the thread.The feck is going on in here tonight?
No shit, you can but one now with Destiny for 320 quid. How much does a GTX Titan cost again?
It's still all claptrap, the is no specifics on this is there? What are laptop chips on now, 16nm? No!
So we are at goalpost moving stage because you can't answer my questions already? You used to be better at this
Firstly, a PC can run games from well before 2004. Remember when you were wrong about the PS4 being backwards compatible?
Secondly, look at the comparisons or check them out yourself. Just like Wolfenstein, the PS4 version isn't close to 'high' levels. It's another fudge, sure some things are, but others aren't. There's no AA either, other than an even weaker FXAA done via post processing. I'm not sure why you are even arguing this, have you actually seen either versions in the flesh?
I just think that it's a total change in the lighting system. You start chaging that, you'll feck it all up.
For whatever reason they wanted to go for 60fps.
We can talk about this type of shit when Naughty Dog and Polyphony properly show up, and then you can eat crow.
Here we go again, same old argument because you can't win. Yes Weaste, a mass-produced budget console with price cuts is cheaper than a titan.
But for £70 you can buy a gfx card that isn't a Titan yet still will match a PS4.
It's all about the mobile chips and power consumption is it not? What is the PS4 in those terms closer to? Why is there no desktop equivalent of either the CPU or GPU in the PS4?
Here we go again, same old argument because you can't win.
No mate, I can't win. I can't afford a Roadrunner that could run everything totally ray-traced at 240fps.
Me too, lets get him.
Very much agreed.
What are you expecting? They will do the usual decent job, but you will be a huge liar if you try to claim the PS4's power isn't far easier to see where it's heading than the PS3 or 2. It's a poxy laptop! There will be better games as they update the sdk and all that, but there's going to be no magic find this generation to boost power is there? Class developers will always push, but this machine is very much a constant.
I've spent £400 this generation.
So for as much as you spent on launch, I get a vastly more powerful machine and cheaper games. I have no Titan, I have no need for one. Nothing that comes out this generation for console will test my system at the console level settings, so all I'll be doing is maybe getting a gfx card in a couple of years if any mods require it.
Not something running on a Roadrunner.
This is where your argument falls to bits.
It's not economically viable to base computer games around systems that cost half a billion dollars. It's not economically viable to base them around graphics cards that cost 500 dollars and sound like jet engines.
Stop it, just staaaaaaahpppp!
It's 9 months in, when will you spend another 500 on another card? In two years?
In the next 6 years you'll probably spend a grand on graphics cards and other crap.
Look above.
Now you are just talking out of your arse. For a budget of around £500 from scratch, or as little as £300 if you have a PC older than 5 years you can beat a PS4 AND get cheaper games. I'll leave you to using all your knowledge of hardware to figure out how, but I shall not hold my breath
The stupid thing about this whole argument is that he's already acepted that the GPU in the PS4 is just about good enough, and we both agree that the CPU is shite.
Why? Why do I need to spend more?
My base PC was bought 2 generations ago, I bought a gfx card last gen and spent that money this generation. My machine beats the PS4 by a very long way, hands down. So how, exactly, is it that I need to spend any more?
I'll only spend more if the later games get graphics mods worthy of it. Otherwise to stay on level my spending is done.
It's far better than having to buy a complete new system that can't even play previous games now isn't it?