Player ratings v Spurs

[Elfie]

Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>It was Keller who had a great game, cos he was kept busy, Barthez did well to keep his concentration. Making that tackle was very high risk, great when it comes off, but its not percentage keeping. And it was the case that Carroll had kept more clean sheets, and had a better record last season. This was Fabien's first good performance this season, I'll praise him if he keeps up this kind of form.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Carroll only played 6 or 7 seven games vs small teams, to make a comparison is dishonest. And in the thread I mentioned you wrote "this season". Even Jens told you that he was in goal vs Boro.

 

[Neil Thomson]

Originally posted by spinoza:
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Well, we bought Barthez for that didn't we? I'm not saying we shouldn't praise him when it comes off, but we bought him to make those spectacular saves, and play in that devil may care way that we expect of United.

Having said that though, I'll take 1-0 wins all the way to the title. And the European Cup.</strong><hr></blockquote>
After last season thats not what I want from a keeper, it doesn't produce confidence in the defence. If he hadn't got that tackle right, he would have been sent off and conceded the goal - great tackle, very high risk. I don't agree that that was the only option, its certainly not what most other top keepers would do.

 

[Neil Thomson]

Originally posted by Elfie:
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Carroll only played 6 or 7 seven games vs small teams, to make a comparison is dishonest. And in the thread I mentioned you wrote "this season". Even Jens told you that he was in goal vs Boro.</strong><hr></blockquote>
We'll see how they both fare on the player ratings application. And I promise I won't cheat.

 

[giggzy]

Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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We'll see how they both fare on the player ratings application. And I promise I won't cheat. </strong><hr></blockquote>

i'll be watching your ratings very closely

 

[Elfie]

Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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After last season thats not what I want from a keeper, it doesn't produce confidence in the defence. If he hadn't got that tackle right, he would have been sent off and conceded the goal - great tackle, very high risk. I don't agree that that was the only option, its certainly not what most other top keepers would do.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Fab has been playing for 10 years, and it has always worked. He's not crazy, he knows what he does.Last year he wasn't himself, he lost his concentration because of presonal problems. But in the second part of the season he also had good games! As for the defence, Rio can thank him !
Stay with your "classical keepers who stay on their line".

 

[Neil Thomson]

This season statistics:
Barthez Played in 5 games. Won 3 Lost 2. Conceded 4. Clean sheets 2 (including Tottenham).
Carroll Played in 5 games. Won 2 Drawn 1 Lost 1. Conceded 4. Clean sheets 2.

 

[spinoza]

Originally posted by Elfie:
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Fab has been playing for 10 years, and it has always worked. He's not crazy, he knows what he does.Last year he wasn't himself, he lost his concentration because of presonal problems. But in the second part of the season he also had good games! As for the defence, Rio can thank him !
Stay with your "classical keepers who stay on their line".</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'll go with Elfie. United need a keeper who knows when to come out and take on strikers. Its the way we play.

Schmikes used to come out for corners even..

 

[Livvie]

Originally posted by Jason F:
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Thats crap, I just think people are getting on Seba's back unfairly, anyone can clearly see that he is trying

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I'll go along with that.

What's crap is people who say he needs time to settle, when we're already well into his second season.

His talent isn't in question. His ability to fit into the Manchester United side is. His style of play is totally different.

He has good games, he makes a few superb passes - but it's not consistent, and for every superb pass, there are about 4 more who don't reach a United player. Seba is a patient type of player -United's game is - or should be - fast.

I don't know if he can adapt to us without changing his game, and he shouldn't need to because it's his game that's made him great. But neither should we have to change our style of play to suit one player.

 

[spinoza]

Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>

I'll go along with that.

What's crap is people who say he needs time to settle, when we're already well into his second season.

His talent isn't in question. His ability to fit into the Manchester United side is. His style of play is totally different.

He has good games, he makes a few superb passes - but it's not consistent, and for every superb pass, there are about 4 more who don't reach a United player. Seba is a patient type of player -United's game is - or should be - fast.

I don't know if he can adapt to us without changing his game, and he shouldn't need to because it's his game that's made him great. But neither should we have to change our style of play to suit one player.</strong><hr></blockquote>

It has to be a compromise. I don't think we should play a certain way, just with a certain spirit. Maybe we should learn to slow down the game when necessary. Perhaps varying our tempo is the key to breaking down the sides in Europe. And in the league.

And Veron probably needs to stop looking for the killer pass with every ball.

 

[osterdal]

Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>This season statistics:
Barthez Played in 5 games. Won 3 Lost 2. Conceded 4. Clean sheets 2 (including Tottenham).
Carroll Played in 5 games. Won 2 Drawn 1 Lost 1. Conceded 4. Clean sheets 2.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Barthez has only conceded 3. Ricardo conceded one v. Maccabi.

And TBH Carroll didn't do much to prove that he, ATM, is no more than a mediocre goalkeeper. Barthez have proven many times that he can be a world class keeper. His first season with us was amazing - his second was, to put it simple, not - so far he looks very good this season.

As for Ricardo I won't comment on him until I've seen him play.

 

[Canadian Dee]

Originally posted by becks75:
<strong>quote:
"Can you please explain how you give that shitebag Veron a higher rating than the young classy lad O'Shea. "

After reading all your 11 posts. I have to say: feck off idiot. </strong><hr></blockquote>

Good quote, must have had to use of 3 of your brain cells for that one, you fecking inbreed.

 

[Livvie]

Originally posted by Canadian Dee:
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Good quote, must have had to use of 3 of your brain cells for that one, you fecking inbreed.</strong><hr></blockquote>


CD - could you let me have the address of your charm school please.

 

[Neil Thomson]

Originally posted by osterdal:
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Barthez has only conceded 3. Ricardo conceded one v. Maccabi.

And TBH Carroll didn't do much to prove that he, ATM, is no more than a mediocre goalkeeper. Barthez have proven many times that he can be a world class keeper. His first season with us was amazing - his second was, to put it simple, not - so far he looks very good this season.

As for Ricardo I won't comment on him until I've seen him play.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Fair points, on this season neither goalkeeper has been particularly good or bad. We'll have to see about Ricardo.

 

[uranushk1]

Originally posted by spinoza:
<strong>

It has to be a compromise. I don't think we should play a certain way, just with a certain spirit. Maybe we should learn to slow down the game when necessary. Perhaps varying our tempo is the key to breaking down the sides in Europe. And in the league.

And Veron probably needs to stop looking for the killer pass with every ball.</strong><hr></blockquote>

See my post with the title "Painfully slow". I afraid our tempo is already too slow now so that we always find it difficult to beat opponents. In a team such as United which doesn't have enough dribblier and fast runner, we need quick passing to destroy defence. If you already cannot dribble and cannot run fast, and you also slow down the passing to give opponent time to defend, then what are you supposed to use to beat opponent?

 

[Neil Thomson]

Originally posted by uranushk1:
<strong>

See my post with the title "Painfully slow". I afraid our tempo is already too slow now so that we always find it difficult to beat opponents. In a team such as United which doesn't have enough dribblier and fast runner, we need quick passing to destroy defence. If you already cannot dribble and cannot run fast, and you also slow down the passing to give opponent time to defend, then what are you supposed to use to beat opponent?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Agreed, pace is an essential ingredient in the premiership and we have little of it, whereas Arsenal have it all across their attack and are very successful with it. You get the feeling sometimes that the club no longer care about the Premiership as long as they reach the CL each year and have a good chance of winning that one more time before Alex retires. But as Keano says in his book, you can't turn form on and off, perform shit in the PL one day and then expect to be great in the CL the next game.

 

[benny]

Its horses for courses really,my tweedle dee for your tweedle dum.Essentially,Veron needs to buckle down and play for the red of his jersey,concentrate on the simple things,and hit the feckers hard when he gets the chance.Otherwise hell never settle.The same goes for Beckham

 

[Davo]

As leader of the opposition I'm more than happy for Bobo to make these dashes off his line....yes it worked on Sat, but as Dans said, there was no guarantee Keane would have scored if he hadn't charged off his line...

People are singing Bobo's praises again, how many games has he played this season? and he's already gifted Bolton a goal...and arguably could have done better with the goal against the Israeli's...

Carry on Bobo

 

[giggzy]

Originally posted by osterdal:
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And TBH Carroll didn't do much to prove that he, ATM, is no more than a mediocre goalkeeper. </strong><hr></blockquote>

agreed.

i've not been overly impressed with him, i think he's done as good as he can do.. but he doesn;t have the presence of a barthez.. furthermore, we shouldn't forget that cost us games against Chelsea and Sunderland (?)..