Player ratings v Spurs

Originally posted by giggzy:
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sigh.

he's WINDING YOU UP.


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So what ? You know, the French adore polemics. Sometimes I have a good laugh when I write "twat" or "feck off". Although critics against Fab break my heart. When people will be tired of me always defending my hero (and I bet some are ), may be they stop to criticize him.
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Originally posted by RUDDY:
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is he a jug eared cnut as well

this just gets better doesnt it welsh one</strong><hr></blockquote>


Ignore Giggzy, Ruddy..he's just making things up because he's got massive breasts..


Much bigger than your birds...
;)
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Originally posted by Elfie:
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When people will be tired of me always defending my hero (and I bet some are ), may be they stop to criticize him.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Thats just it Elfie.

They won't.

coz they get a kick out of you getting all heated and wound up.(well trophyhead does ;) )
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I don't get a kick out of winding maddo up, its too easy...


I just pity her on her inability to spot clowns pretending to be keepers..
 
Originally posted by Davo:
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Ignore Giggzy, Ruddy..he's just making things up because he's got massive breasts..


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would u believe a welsh scouser, Ruddy??


didn't think so..

Charlie's got HUGE ears. ;)
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Originally posted by Davo:
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Ignore Giggzy, Ruddy..he's just making things up because he's got massive breasts..


Much bigger than your birds...
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if only you knew trophyhead

(.) (.)

they are fine
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Originally posted by Davo:
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Yeah

I've heard he was the second best keeper on the pitch on Sat

What did he do yesterday?</strong><hr></blockquote>

He had less shots to stop than Keller, because we're a better side, but he made three reflex saves and saved from Keane too by coming far from his line. Someting not many keepers can do.
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Originally posted by RUDDY:
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if only you knew trophyhead

(.) (.)

they are fine</strong><hr></blockquote>

I believe you..

Cos thats the rule isn't it? Women athletes always have massive jugs....
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Originally posted by Davo:
<strong>I don't get a kick out of winding maddo up, its too easy...


I just pity her on her inability to spot clowns pretending to be keepers..</strong><hr></blockquote>

Fergie has the same inability then. He had been spotting him for years before signing him.
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Originally posted by Davo:
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I believe you..

Cos thats the rule isn't it? Women athletes always have massive jugs....</strong><hr></blockquote>


where did i say massive?

lugs
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Originally posted by Elfie:
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He had less shots to stop than Keller, because we're a better side, but he made three reflex saves and saved from Keane too by coming far from his line. Someting not many keepers can do.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Obviously, if he'd had more they;d have scored...

Not many keepers can come off their line? I'm happy for him to carry on charging off it..
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Originally posted by Elfie:
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Fergie has the same inability then. He had been spotting him for years before signing him.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes you do remind me of Fergie know you mention it...
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Originally posted by Davo:
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Yes you do remind me of Fergie know you mention it...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Houillier wanted to sign him in 1998, did you know that ?
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>There are a lot of people who won't hear a word against Seba either.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I dont mind people being critical of Veron, there is nothing wrong with that, as long as it is constructive and not just simply calling him "shit".

He's obviously not shit, yet people still insist on calling him in such a way. On the other hand, he's obviously having problems too, but instead of people providing reasonable comments, they mainly resort to one and two word expletive comments putting him down all of the time.

It's comments like that I will not entertain. That's what they are, comments, not opinions. Opinions are based on rational thought.
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Originally posted by Elfie:
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Good analysis from a clever guy... ;)

How are you Mark ? :) </strong><hr></blockquote>
Hi Elfie, I'm OK.. not having as much fun as you this weekend though ;)

Don't let them wind you up!

I hav to admit I thought "oh shit" when Fab came racing out, but he pulled it off and got a loud cheer from the OT faithful.
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Originally posted by Elfie:
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Yes, and may be if he hadn't come outfield it would have been a goal. And obviously nobody would have reproached him that. I must say that not many keepers are able to do that, I've seen him do that many times, last year for some reasons he failed and was called a clown but that's his style : anticipation. Yesterday the French TV said : the real Barthez, the old Barthez we know and admire is back !

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I really thought Fabien saved us on Saturday and was easily man of the match for me. When he came running out and nicked the ball from Keane...I was also thinking this is the old Fabien from two years ago. I have to admit that I was also thinking that if he had missed the ball, he would have been crucified in the press the next day.

The problem for goalkeepers is that when they make a bad mistake, they'll often get ridiculed/slaughtered in the press but when they make a great save...it gets one line in the papers. Whereas strikers can miss 3 chances, score one goal and still be the hero...but I always did think you had to be a bit mad to be a goalkeeper...
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Originally posted by Red15:
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I really thought Fabien saved us on Saturday and was easily man of the match for me. When he came running out and nicked the ball from Keane...I was also thinking this is the old Fabien from two years ago. I have to admit that I was also thinking that if he had missed the ball, he would have been crucified in the press the next day.

The problem for goalkeepers is that when they make a bad mistake, they'll often get ridiculed/slaughtered in the press but when they make a great save...it gets one line in the papers. Whereas strikers can miss 3 chances, score one goal and still be the hero...but I always did think you had to be a bit mad to be a goalkeeper...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Exactly. If he had missed it, may be it would have been the end of his United career ! <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" /> He was surely aware of that, but he had the guts to make it.

I also agree with you with errors made by goalkeepers, and I'm always digusted by those who laugh about them. I was sad for Enckelman this week, it must be very hard to be ridiculed by the media. I don't know how he managed to stay calm when the supporter try to wind him up.
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Originally posted by Red15:
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but I always did think you had to be a bit mad to be a goalkeeper...</strong><hr></blockquote>
I thought you had to be shit at football to be a goalkeeper, normally the last person picked for the team.
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Originally posted by Elfie:
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I was sad for Enckelman this week, it must be very hard to be ridiculed by the media. I don't know how he managed to stay calm when the supporter try to wind him up.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Oh, come on. It was soooo funny. ;)
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Originally posted by Elfie:
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I was in goal when we played football at school.

As for Barthez, yes he did what he had to do. I don't know what he could have done better yesterday, so no need to go with your "as a Barthez critic"..."nothing special". I mean, you like to criticize him, but leave him for a while (for once)when he does nothing wrong. Reflex saves are not so easy to do. BTW, it's not the best game he ever made, it's a very good game and it's good for his confidence.</strong><hr></blockquote>

There was a need to go with my "as a Barthez critic" as earlier in the thread you were moaning about none of us being around to pass comment. So I did. And still I don't think he did anything more than a decent premiership keeper would have. Sorry, but when such performances as the one Barthez put in on Sat are heralded as excellent then our expectations are somewhat low. He had a good solid game. He wasn't excellent - he only had a couple of saves to make.
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Originally posted by Dans:
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There was a need to go with my "as a Barthez critic" as earlier in the thread you were moaning about none of us being around to pass comment. So I did. And still I don't think he did anything more than a decent premiership keeper would have. Sorry, but when such performances as the one Barthez put in on Sat are heralded as excellent then our expectations are somewhat low. He had a good solid game. He wasn't excellent - he only had a couple of saves to make.</strong><hr></blockquote>

He made four saves, including the rush from his line followed by a tackle that few keepers could do, and he saved Rio from critics and may be United from losing. Anyway it's not his best game, the circumstances weren't for that, but we're just happy to see him back in form after his injury. So why do you have a go at him ? Nobody had his game of his life in this game. He did the best he could do during this game, and anyway without those saves we would have lost(and for me what he did far from his line was stronger, because most keepers can have reflexes, but to anticipate is very difficult).
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Why does giving an honest appraisal of his performance, one which you happen not to agree with, constitute "having a go at him"?
 
Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>Why does giving an honest appraisal of his performance, one which you happen not to agree with, constitute "having a go at him"?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Because to say that he did what all the keepers would have done isn't true. No other keeper would have made what he did to Keane.

Why did I made a post about those "who say nothing ?". Because since the start of the season Neil is raving about Carroll, even if he hasn't made this season a match like Fab has done yesterday, hoping that he'll replace Fabien. The other day, when Fab conceded that goal vs Haifa, he instantly wrote "Oh, Carroll kept more clean sheets this season than Barthez". It wasn't true. When Fab keeps a clean sheet, with some good saves, nothing. If Carroll had been in goal he would have praised him.
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Originally posted by Elfie:
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Because to say that he did what all the keepers would have done isn't true. No other keeper would have made what he did to Keane.

Why did I made a post about those "who say nothing ?". Because since the start of the season Neil is raving about Carroll, even if he hasn't made this season a match like Fab has done yesterday, hoping that he'll replace Fabien. The other day, when Fab conceded that goal vs Haifa, he instantly wrote "Oh, Carroll kept more clean sheets this season than Barthez". It wasn't true. When Fab keeps a clean sheet, with some good saves, nothing. If Carroll had been in goal he would have praised him.</strong><hr></blockquote>

But I'm not Neil, I was someone who had until then said nothing though. I'm not sure I agree that no other keeper would have made that move anyhow.
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Originally posted by Dans:
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But I'm not Neil, I was someone who had until then said nothing though. I'm not sure I agree that no other keeper would have made that move anyhow.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Not many would have dared, and even less managed that perfect tackle after the save.

Whenever Fab has a good performance, and that people praise him, you always go with "nothing special", etc... He has been so criticized, and you know how it hurts me, so let me enjoy those moments when he's praised.
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I'm not here to make you feel good Elfie! Sorry. But honestly that's my opinion. You argue against it so naturally I argue back. I said he had a good solid performance, but as I will reiterate it was what I would expect of most premiership keepers. I wasn't slagging him off as you put it. When he has a blinder I'll be here to say so don't worry.
 
Originally posted by Elfie:
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Not many would have dared, and even less managed that perfect tackle after the save.

Whenever Fab has a good performance, and that people praise him, you always go with "nothing special", etc... He has been so criticized, and you know how it hurts me, so let me enjoy those moments when he's praised.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'll come in on your side Elfie...

I was in the East Stand, and it was one hell of a tackle. It made the win for us, along with that reflex save he made from Richards.

Its been a long time since I heard "Fabien Barthez!" at Old Trafford. Its been too long. I'm glad Fab's back, no matter what that cnut Davo says.
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It was Keller who had a great game, cos he was kept busy, Barthez did well to keep his concentration. Making that tackle was very high risk, great when it comes off, but its not percentage keeping. And it was the case that Carroll had kept more clean sheets, and had a better record last season. This was Fabien's first good performance this season, I'll praise him if he keeps up this kind of form.
 
i thought he had a top notch performance..

the tackle on keane, saved united from a possible loss..

i hope he continues and has a great season.(don't we all? ;) )
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>Making that tackle was very high risk, great when it comes off, but its not percentage keeping. </strong><hr></blockquote>


if he stayed on his line spurs would have scored for sure!


high risk or not, it saved us.
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Originally posted by giggzy:
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if he stayed on his line spurs would have scored for sure!


high risk or not, it saved us.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Considering it was 40 yards or more from goal you cannot say that. Still, it was a good tackle, albeit high risk, and I admire him for having the balls to come out like that after what happened last season.
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>It was Keller who had a great game, cos he was kept busy, Barthez did well to keep his concentration. Making that tackle was very high risk, great when it comes off, but its not percentage keeping. And it was the case that Carroll had kept more clean sheets, and had a better record last season. This was Fabien's first good performance this season, I'll praise him if he keeps up this kind of form.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well, we bought Barthez for that didn't we? I'm not saying we shouldn't praise him when it comes off, but we bought him to make those spectacular saves, and play in that devil may care way that we expect of United.

Having said that though, I'll take 1-0 wins all the way to the title. And the European Cup.
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Originally posted by Dans:
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Considering it was 40 yards or more from goal you cannot say that. </strong><hr></blockquote>

come on dans, keane would have only had fab to beat. 40 yards or not, i think there was more of a chance that he would have scored than not.
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