Player’s You Don’t Rate As Highly As Others

Rozay said:
Carlos was just a Brazilian Kyle Walker. In a Panini sticker era where most people saw less week to week performances, players are often summarised into a highlights package.

For a ‘defender’ - Carlos was flashy. Eye-catching. He was incredibly fast, and kicked the ball incredibly hard. Often when he kicked it though, it didn’t go anywhere. He spent his career dining out off one goal, repeatedly smashing free-kicks from 40 yards into the wall, row Z or anywhere else. When he went forward, I don’t really remember him doing much at all. He was just busy and noticeable. But not graceful, not a great defender either.

Marcelo was twice the player, as was Dani Alves.
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Nooooo :lol:

 
Sunny Jim said:
Antonio Valencia. Average right back and only good right winger in his "prime"
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He had a couple of seasons of supreme efficiency.
Always picked the right option, worked hard, powerful, good at crossing.

Then he suddenly developed a weird move where he'd get near the box. Stop dead, and delay the whole move. That or drilling crosses into ankles.
 
Ryan Giggs slightly. Top player absolutely deserving of his spot in the team and a Manchester United great. Ridiculous FA Cup goal will never die. But in that legendary midfield four of Giggs, Keane, Scholes, and Beckham, Giggs was the one who could most readily be replaced.
 
Raveneye said:
Ryan Giggs slightly. Top player absolutely deserving of his spot in the team and a Manchester United great. Ridiculous FA Cup goal will never die. But in that legendary midfield four of Giggs, Keane, Scholes, and Beckham, Giggs was the one who could most readily be replaced.
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I can admit now that Giggs used to drive me soft back in the day. At the start he scored these worldies. The boys a genius and all that hype. He was great for a season or two and majorly tapered off apart from a few absolutely quality moments here and there in the 90s. When he started getting older and playing a simpler game in midfield and still picking up trophies that’s what totally cemented his legendary status in the game, just the sheer amount of trophies and longevity. If he’d retired at the same time as a normal player would I think he would have gone down as a good player but not one of the best ever in the PL. It seems like he’s doing a right number on his legacy anyway.
 
Ali Dia said:
I can admit now that Giggs used to drive me soft back in the day. At the start he scored these worldies. The boys a genius and all that hype. He was great for a season or two and majorly tapered off apart from a few absolutely quality moments here and there in the 90s. When he started getting older and playing a simpler game in midfield and still picking up trophies that’s what totally cemented his legendary status in the game, just the sheer amount of trophies and longevity. If he’d retired at the same time as a normal player would I think he would have gone down as a good player but not one of the best ever in the PL. It seems like he’s doing a right number on his legacy anyway.
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Giggs took care of himself. Was ridiculously dedicated to a healthy diet. I remember reading an article which remarked he only had orange juice in his fridge or something to that effect. No faulting his discipline, even if Giggs maybe could have used a tiny bit more fat to protect those hamstrings. In any case he did the hard work to have such a long and successful career.

And yeah, a pity he appears to be not as respectful of his romantic life as he was of his career.
 
King7Eric said:
Bruno. I think he's a very good player but he's not a top tier player. I think he's had a great year but I feel his numbers will level out as his career at Utd progresses.
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I would definately agree with this one. Of course I really like him. his workrate, attitude and moments of magic have had a great effect on our side. But people raving about him and comparing him to Cantona is pure sacrilege for me.

His goal scoring is scewed due to penalties and free kicks, his passing accuracy with the same token scewed badly as he often tries the killer pass....but for me, top tier players show quality consistently again and again when they get the ball, Fernandes doesnt, in fact the last 3 months his general play has been very shoddy but they key is he is decisive
 
Eden Hazard.

Always said he was in the perfect system for him at Chelsea and he would fail anywhere else.
 
11101 said:
Eden Hazard.

Always said he was in the perfect system for him at Chelsea and he would fail anywhere else.
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Showed pretty much nothing of note (for his caliber) for Chelsea in the CL.
 
Eckers99 said:
Hmmm. There are currently similarities but Rashford has been playing through injuries for a long time. Seems like the kind of guy who needs to be in peak physical condition to perform - a bit like Rooney. Plus his peaks have been up there with Nani's at a much younger age and in a significantly worse team.

Gets a pass from me.
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Can't recall a period where Rashford's been close to Nani of 2010-12.
 
Bruno is a world class footballing soul in a below world class body. He wouldn't be as good in Manchester City or Barcelona. But his game and mentality are perfect for what Solksjaer wants from a no. 10. Just need to get a DM who can get the ball into the opponent's half more consistently.

If thr view is that Bruno is overrated because he's not as complete a player as de Bruyne, that would be fair. But de Bruyne would not be as good as Bruno in Manchester United. The difference in points tally speaks for itself since Bruno arrived. When people compare him to Cantona, it's not because of ability. It's because of the effect he has on the team around him.
 
SS said:
Can't recall a period where Rashford's been close to Nani of 2010-12.
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In his whole United career, Nani managed 40 goals and 73 assists under arguably the best manger of all time in a stable, successful side that frequently made it towards the latter stages of European competition.

Well at 23, Rashford has already got 87 goals and 53 assists in all comps. He's scored against the likes of PSG, Leipzig, City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs etc. He's scored goals for England and has spent long periods playing with injuries. All this in mostly mediocre sides under people like LvG and Jose.

Even underdeveloped and half-fit, he's doing better than Nani ever did.
 
Rozay said:
Carlos was just a Brazilian Kyle Walker. In a Panini sticker era where most people saw less week to week performances, players are often summarised into a highlights package.

For a ‘defender’ - Carlos was flashy. Eye-catching. He was incredibly fast, and kicked the ball incredibly hard. Often when he kicked it though, it didn’t go anywhere. He spent his career dining out off one goal, repeatedly smashing free-kicks from 40 yards into the wall, row Z or anywhere else. When he went forward, I don’t really remember him doing much at all. He was just busy and noticeable. But not graceful, not a great defender either.

Marcelo was twice the player, as was Dani Alves.
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Marcelo is one of the best left backs ever.
 
slored1 said:
Rashford might be my favourite player ever, but this is lunacy. No way is he on the same level as Mbappe.
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How? They've both shown in Europe. Rashford has smoked PSG and Juve in his time. As for the World Cup - there's probably cause to believe if Marcus had Pogba + Kante behind him he could have done as well. Ever seen Kylian score a goal like that freekick against Chelsea? It's my opinion. They're both incredible talents.
 
Eckers99 said:
In his whole United career, Nani managed 40 goals and 73 assists under arguably the best manger of all time in a stable, successful side that frequently made it towards the latter stages of European competition.

Well at 23, Rashford has already got 87 goals and 53 assists in all comps. He's scored against the likes of PSG, Leipzig, City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs etc. He's scored goals for England and has spent long periods playing with injuries. All this in mostly mediocre sides under people like LvG and Jose.

Even underdeveloped and half-fit, he's doing better than Nani ever did.
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Boom son. Stats and all. The angle people make themselves is incredible.
 
giorno said:
Ronaldinho, going by this thread. Seriously, highest peak of all time???? Seriously :wenger:

Cannavaro
Nedved
This being a united board, Paul Scholes :D
Hazard

I'm borderline on Iniesta
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What’s the thinking on Iniesta?
 
Raveneye said:
Bruno is a world class footballing soul in a below world class body. He wouldn't be as good in Manchester City or Barcelona. But his game and mentality are perfect for what Solksjaer wants from a no. 10. Just need to get a DM who can get the ball into the opponent's half more consistently.

If thr view is that Bruno is overrated because he's not as complete a player as de Bruyne, that would be fair. But de Bruyne would not be as good as Bruno in Manchester United. The difference in points tally speaks for itself since Bruno arrived. When people compare him to Cantona, it's not because of ability. It's because of the effect he has on the team around him.
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Fair point. I mentioned Bruno myself in this thread as someone who I don't rate as highly as others but I agree with everything you say.

My point is though, that as you say, he's not as complete a player as KDB or someone like Rooney was at his peak. No disputing his effect on the team though.
 
Mahrez
Firmino
Koke
Varane
Chiesa
Dybala
Vinicius
Werner
Verratti
Lo Celso
Moura

All overrated imo. £30 mill players but will be quoted around 80 (not moura and lo celso of course)
 
Eckers99 said:
In his whole United career, Nani managed 40 goals and 73 assists under arguably the best manger of all time in a stable, successful side that frequently made it towards the latter stages of European competition.

Well at 23, Rashford has already got 87 goals and 53 assists in all comps. He's scored against the likes of PSG, Leipzig, City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs etc. He's scored goals for England and has spent long periods playing with injuries. All this in mostly mediocre sides under people like LvG and Jose.

Even underdeveloped and half-fit, he's doing better than Nani ever did.
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Not getting into a debate between who was better but I don’t think it’s fair to use goals and assists as a metric for who’s better. For one, Rashford has spent long periods playing up front, and even as a wide player, he plays in a 433, where as Nani played as a winger in a 442. By the same logic, you could probably argue that Martial is better than David Beckham.
 
Deco was another player I didn’t rate quite as highly as others. He seemed to go missing a lot when I saw him play, although he still had his moments of class.
 
Drogba. He was a moments player. Doesn't have the numbers of true elite and all time top strikers. Far from it
 
Abe144 said:
Drogba. He was a moments player. Doesn't have the numbers of true elite and all time top strikers. Far from it
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Drogba was such a nuisance of a striker. Genuinely dangerous but more than that a big awkward scrapper that would occupy defenders and pry apart defensive lines just long enough for Lampard to blast through.

He's no Henry or Nistelrooy, but he was perfect for Morinho's Chelsea.
 
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