Are you really that confident that you won't lose key players this summer? Gündogan is definitely gone after this season in my opinion and both Hummels and Mkhitaryan still haven't extended their contracts yet, which puts the club in a very difficult spot. That's 3 key players with contracts running out in 2017. It's a huge problem. That being said, it kinda ensures that Auba will stay, because Dortmund can't allow him to leave when he has 4 years left on his contract and you already have to replace other top players.
Mate, I hate to disappoint you but the wage demand story is bollocks. United had agreed with him a contract but wasn't willing to pay what BVB asked for, cheap €20m. The reason being most likely that LvG/Woodward reached out for Schweinsteiger. Now back to you ...
I just don't think that we'll see that clash to come to life. Before United played PSV and Wolfsburg, I said here that you won't win both games, and I was right. I've also said that Midjylland will give you a good run, they are specialists in scoring from set pieces. So I'd say your chances to succeed are 50:50.Mate, I hate to disappoint you but the wage demand story is bollocks. United had agreed with him a contract but wasn't willing to pay what BVB asked for, cheap €20m. The reason being most likely that LvG/Woodward reached out for Schweinsteiger. Now back to you ...
Arsenal bid 40-50m for Auba and Dortmund declined. That was before he extended his contract and before he hit his great form.
Regarding the EL, we'd beat you lot comfortably at home and at OT.
We, OTOH, got with Porto a very strong opponent, and we haven't been able to replicate our great football from most league games into the Europa League.
Therefore, I would neither put money on United nor on BVB to survive the round of 32.
I didn't say so at all. On the contrary, I've said many times in different threads that Gündogan will be gone in the summer.
I'm the last person to rely on shitty transfer gossip mate. There are better sources than that.
And I've just realised you're a Dortmund, explains why you got so butthurt when someone suggested one of your players might move on for cash, and I'm the deluded one
Valencia and Atletico can afford him but Valencia won't have CL and Atletico don't need him unless they sell Griezmann. They also have Borja, another big lad scoring goals for fun at Eibar.
I highly doubt that.
How much would he cost? I was thinking around £40-45m. Not worth 70 imo.
Let's hope he is loving Thursday night football and wants more of it next year
More like 100m Euro + and even then it's unlikely. Valencia doesn't make any sense anyway, it would be a signficant step down and I doubt they can offer higher wages than Dortmund anyway, Atletico can't either. Both clubs are significantly below Dortmund in terms of revenue and I'm not sure if Lim spends enough of his own money to make Valencia competitive with Dortmund.
Well in that case he's staying at Dortmund because i don't think anyone will pay that kind of money but you never know.
I'm not sure Atletico really are a step up. Dortmund's disaster of a last season made it difficult for them, but there's not much between the actual performance level of the teams right now. There's a reasonable argument to be made that Dortmund are as good now as they were between 2011-2014, when they beat Bayern twice to the league and reached a CL final, some say they're actually better. Winning trophies with Atletico against Barca isn't more likely than winning trophies with Dortmund against Bayern. The gap in revenue between Dortmund and Atletico was still huge last season, 280m Euros to 187m and there are also significant upgrades in revenue coming to Dortmund. There's no way Atletico will sail past Dortmund anytime soon.
You're taking this the wrong way. It wasn't mean to be an insult when i said Atletico or Valencia could afford to pay 40-45 for a player. I like Dortmund. I haven't seen them this season, maybe they are as good as they used to be a couple of years ago. But the fact is that atm they are not even in the CL and they are barely even challenging for their league title. Atletico have been a level above the past 2 or 3 seasons. That revenue gap isn't that big imo. The new tv deal alone will cut that gap more than half. A huge gap is what i expect to be around €200m. Even Spurs have higher revenues than Atletico, too bad they have to pay much more wages to keep the same level of players. Not the same with Dortmund as they are also a big club but just saying revenues aren't such a big deal especially if the gap is less than €100m. Spending wisely is more important.
I didn't take it as an insult? I think my argument is very reasonable and not defensive. I judge the financial situation right now and the performance level this season. Sounds fair to me.
Well, the fact is, they'll be in the CL again next season, which is all that matters for the upcoming transfer summer. I admit that Atletico have done better than Dortmund the last 2 years, but in the end it's really just the one season that stands out and it doesn't look likely they can replicate it on a regular basis. Also you argue as if Dortmund's revenue will stand still over the next years, which isn't really a reasonable point at all. The Bundesliga will get a new tv deal from 2016/17 onwards for example and it'll also be a significant raise. It's just delayed by one year vs Atletico's. Dortmund has made some interesting financial deals outside of the revenue stream as well, like the increase of their capital stock, when they brought longterm partner companies like Puma and Signal Iduna into the club by selling them shares worth 114m.
The reason i brought up Atletico is they have shown in the past that they are willing to spend above their normal budget for a good forward. It was not to demonstrate that 'hey look Atletico are so rich they can just pluck players from Dortmund'. It was not intended to make Dortmund or Bundesliga look small. Your reply was obviously a bit defensive because you bring out figures about how second rate clubs like Atletico can't afford to pay above Dortmund's budget. Anyway i agree with your last paragraph.
Wait, second rate sounds a lot worse than second tier, at least from my understanding of the English language. I have nothing but praise for Atletico's business decisions and performances over the last years. However I don't think Atletico can really buy above Dortmund's budget. Don't get me wrong, it's easily possible for Atletico to beat Dortmund to a player who looks for the step up from one of the smaller clubs despite having less revenue, for various reasons, not just financial ones. But that's very different to being able to buy one of Dortmund's elite players. Both clubs so far haven't really spent a lot above 30m Euros. And weren't most of Atletico's bigger deals transfer schemes involving Mendes as agent like with Jackson Martinez last summer? Again, that's not meant as criticism, obviously it worked out great for Atletico. But it doesn't really contradict what I wrote.
They bought Falcao for over 30m and Martinez for around that much too. Griezmann was just below it in £.
Oh i thought i read second rate
Maybe you weren't being defensive and i just read it the wrong way. Just the way you pulled out the revenue line saying they had significantly low revenues. If they bid outside of their ball park it is obviously an exception hence it cannot be judged with a regular budget and wage. Rooney is not indicative of his club's regular wages, currently Griezmann isn't either and if they sell Griezmann and decide to bid for another top class striker he won't be either. Anyway Aubameyang is not going to happen. 100m is waaaay off their ball park and out of the stadium.Athletico have a new 70k stadium opening next year so I suspect they will become a bigger factor in competing for players in the years to come
Both deals were clearly "Mendes transfer schemes", which is exactly what I wrote. It worked out well for them, but they weren't just regular transfers between clubs. Especially the Falcao transfer was heavily influenced by 3rd party ownership and as far as I know, Atletico never fully owned his transfer rights. Again, like I said, it worked out well for them, doesn't change the point regarding regular transfers though. Griezmann was 30m Euro if I'm not mistaken, it's similar to Dortmund's 30m Euro buy of Mkhitaryan and I think both clubs soon can go past those numbers with the increasing financial strength. But it'll continue to be only enough to buy young talent on their way up, not elite players in their prime.
I cant see Aubameyang leaving Dortmund anyway. They have the chance now to really go and challenge Bayern and separate themselves from the rest of the league.
Yep. But Barca don't need a striker, and I don't see Madrid going for him, unless Benzema goes in jail. And even there, there might be other options they will look.
