Philippe Coutinho | Confirmed

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giorno said:
Why should they wait until the summer?
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CL cup tied. January signings ain't usually that hot, given not having pre season to bed in with the team... It's well known summer dealing is more ideal. Barcelona is in strong position in La Liga. Being cup tied, Coutinho ain't helping their CL campaign. Why would start paying high wage earlier when having limited use until new season?! So that's the common view.

In this case though, I explained my speculation in previous post. Seems likely tied with political play.
 
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ti vu said:
CL cup tied. January signings ain't usually that hot, given not having pre season to bed in with the team... It's well known summer dealing is more ideal. Barcelona is in strong position in La Liga. Being cup tied, Coutinho ain't helping their CL campaign. Why would start paying high wage earlier when having limited use until new season?! So that's the common view.

In this case though, I explained my speculation in previous post. Seems likely tied with political play.
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haram said:
He is cup tied for the CL anyway.
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Cup tied means Barca can rest important players for La Liga and play Coutinho. It won't do any harm to sign now. Also player will have settling period which means he can start well next season. World cup year means players join very late in the pre season, so joining in Jan will be very good for Barca,.
 
roonster09 said:
Cup tied means Barca can rest important players for La Liga and play Coutinho. It won't do any harm to sign now. Also player will have settling period which means he can start well next season. World cup year means players join very late in the pre season, so joining in Jan will be very good for Barca,.
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Fair points, it can go the other way. World Cup is near and Coutinho is risking his chance as starter for Brazil by joining Barcelona. Resting players is reasonable, but it's a tough task in real life. Managing form may mean at times the players just need to keep playing together. We've all seen it before at time teams who should have advantage of resting their players and lose momentum while the other team being constantly pushed to their limit outdoing the odd. That's one of the attraction of football
 
ti vu said:
CL cup tied. January signings ain't usually that hot, given not having pre season to bed in with the team... It's well known summer dealing is more ideal. Barcelona is in strong position in La Liga. Being cup tied, Coutinho ain't helping their CL campaign. Why would start paying high wage earlier when having limited use until new season?! So that's the common view.

In this case though, I explained my speculation in previous post. Seems likely tied with political play.
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Only part that makes sense is paying an extra 6 months of wages. That is explained by them not wanting to leave him hanging after the way he exposed himself for them

Every other point makes zero sense
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
You don't need to replace him.

You'll invest elsewhere.
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Kinda agree with this.
Mane, Salah, Firmino, Ox & Lallana will be enough for them. as long as Firmino can move down slightly and make space for a striker or Lallana can take that space. Salah really has provided them with more options to attack than just through Mane's pace and Coutinhos dribbles/long shots.

Not that they can't get away with replacing him, but I think they are better off getting in a defender or two and a GK for that money, before getting a DM later on.
 
Transfers during the WC are never easy combined with an abbreviated preseason and closing a deal sooner than later has some logic to it. Barcelona’s fiscal budget starts July 1 and concluding business now wouldn’t be a part of the ‘18-‘19 budget, probably some creative accounting reasons to support this approach

Integration within the squad takes time and Ousmane returning means a different tactical setup than what has been used so I suspect this is the reason why being cup tied isn’t a deal breaker. They want to plan for the future and no time like the present
 
Klopper76 said:
This is looking like it’s going to happen this month which is disappointing. I would’ve hoped that we’d hold out until the summer.

I hope we’ve got someone lined up to replace him. Cheeky £25 million + £1 bid for Sánchez? :drool:
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On a serious note Liverpool should bid for Sanchez. Sell Coutinho ASAP.
It make sense..Arsenal will sell to anyone who coughs up 40 million right now. He will walks away for nothing in the summer if they don't sell. From Liverpool's perspective, make sense as he is not cup tied and will be available for the champions league.
 
roonster09 said:
Cup tied means Barca can rest important players for La Liga and play Coutinho. It won't do any harm to sign now. Also player will have settling period which means he can start well next season. World cup year means players join very late in the pre season, so joining in Jan will be very good for Barca,.
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Very good points.
 
ti vu said:
Fair points, it can go the other way. World Cup is near and Coutinho is risking his chance as starter for Brazil by joining Barcelona. Resting players is reasonable, but it's a tough task in real life. Managing form may mean at times the players just need to keep playing together. We've all seen it before at time teams who should have advantage of resting their players and lose momentum while the other team being constantly pushed to their limit outdoing the odd. That's one of the attraction of football
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I don't think Coutinho's place is at risk at all with Brazil. He is confirmed starter. I mean they can easily rest very important players knowing they have Coutinho in the side rather than playing them in every game.

Like I said, world cup year means plays players will join very late in the preseason, so there is a good chance their next season start might not be as smooth.
 

Carragher wants a deal fr next summer.I dont think that is plausible, If he wants out he will be gone soon.
 
If we lose him in January then we must have a replacement lined up. Surely?
Also none of this add ons shit, £130million up front. 20 million in 50's. 10 million in 10's. and 100 million in 20's. Mwhahaha!

For real though, he will be cup tied in CL as well, so whats the point?
 
ti vu said:
CL cup tied. January signings ain't usually that hot, given not having pre season to bed in with the team... It's well known summer dealing is more ideal. Barcelona is in strong position in La Liga. Being cup tied, Coutinho ain't helping their CL campaign. Why would start paying high wage earlier when having limited use until new season?! So that's the common view.

In this case though, I explained my speculation in previous post. Seems likely tied with political play.
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On the other hand he gets to settle in for next season if he joins now rather than taking time to adjust later on. 6 months in Spain now and probably a league title will probably boost his performances for next season.
 
It starts the same way it was in the summer. Hope it ends the same as well.
Quoted 110+40€ is a joke. It's the same they paid for Dembele, except:
1. Dembele moved in summer. +30m for Jan move.
2. Dembele went on strike and ruined relationship with former club. +20m for him being fine in squad
3. Is simply a tier below Coutinho. +40m
4. Barca was not at risk of transfer ban. +20m for urgency

If I was the one making decision in LFC i'd ask 180m£ + 20m in bonuses in max 2 payments if they want him now, or 150m£ for a summer deal. They got 200m straight for Neymar, and they offered us 80m over 5 years with like 30m in addons if he wins wimbledon and eurovision last summer, so I want those cnuts to suffer.
If those conditions are not met - feck off. If Coutinho goes on strike - let him play for u23 till summer and sell for 120m then.
 
Maradona10 said:

Carragher wants a deal fr next summer.I dont think that is plausible, If he wants out he will be gone soon.
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I've seen some members of the media stating coutinho is adamant he does not wish to play another game for LFC. To add to this there is a real possibility that his value will not be as high in the summer. The opportunity cost is a valid point. However considering it appears as though he does not want to be here, his performances might not be as good as usual. If Liverpool reject his move that is. That may reduce his value in summer. Not to mention that more players will be available to drive down the price, supply and demand and all.
 
DonnieDarko said:
It starts the same way it was in the summer. Hope it ends the same as well.
Quoted 110+40€ is a joke. It's the same they paid for Dembele, except:
1. Dembele moved in summer. +30m for Jan move.
2. Dembele went on strike and ruined relationship with former club. +20m for him being fine in squad
3. Is simply a tier below Coutinho. +40m
4. Barca was not at risk of transfer ban. +20m for urgency

If I was the one making decision in LFC i'd ask 180m£ + 20m in bonuses in max 2 payments if they want him now, or 150m£ for a summer deal. They got 200m straight for Neymar, and they offered us 80m over 5 years with like 30m in addons if he wins wimbledon and eurovision last summer, so I want those cnuts to suffer.
If those conditions are not met - feck off. If Coutinho goes on strike - let him play for u23 till summer and sell for 120m then.
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Yeah, the mooted bid is nowhere near enough to buy him in January. Think I'm going to ignore the media hype and wait for something concrete to come out.
 
Sad to see a player like Coutinho leaving the PL, but I think it is the right move for him.

Liverpool should invest that money wisely. Not sure if they did that in the past.
 
Definitely gone this month then. So what do 160m euros get in the market these days :/
 
Transfer prices are beyond crazy now , 150 million for Coutinho seems bonkers money and Liverpool fans still don't think that is enough.
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
Transfer prices are beyond crazy now , 150 million for Coutinho seems bonkers money and Liverpool fans still don't think that is enough.
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See whether it is enough or not is a moot question. What matters is how we replace him. That's all. 200m is not enough if we spent it on tosh like we did with Suarez money.
The problem for me is that I don't think we would be able to get anyone even close to Coutinho in January who is not cup-tied for CL.
 
Good, hopefully it becomes a big saga before completing the move.
 
This forum has taken unusually long to start rating Coutinho appropriately but if people think 150m is too much, they should try checking his stats this season, he is outperforming every midfield attacking player in this league and in Europe bar Neymar.
 
Righteous Steps said:
This forum has taken unusually long to start rating Coutinho appropriately but if people think 150m is too much, they should try checking his stats this season, he is outperforming every midfield attacking player in this league and in Europe bar Neymar.
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Pretty much this.
We don't have a hope in hell of replacing his output directly, there's only a handful of clubs in the world who can do that and we aren't one of them. The only thing we can do is get a player who can be as good in 2-3 years time. Hopefully we have a deal in the pipeline otherwise this will completely derail our momentum. If the usual triumvirate of Joyce Reddy and Pearce are on it then he's as good as gone.
 
As good as done this.

Please have a replacement and don't completely feck our season
 
Liver_bird said:
As good as done this.

Please have a replacement and don't completely feck our season
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Done as in going Jan or as in deal done for him to go in the summer?

The latter makes much more sense. The former would see you struggling for top 4 imo
 
Sparky Rhiwabon said:
Done as in going Jan or as in deal done for him to go in the summer?

The latter makes much more sense. The former would see you struggling for top 4 imo
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Done now, which makes no sense for us and the fee is rather underwhelming considering his output for us.
I know he isn't rated highly on here but he's been a standout player in the league as evidenced by every metric.
 
Liver_bird said:
Done now, which makes no sense for us and the fee is rather underwhelming considering his output for us.
I know he isn't rated highly on here but he's been a standout player in the league as evidenced by every metric.
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Thing is, it doesn't even make that much sense for Barca in that he will be CL cup tied and they're winning the league anyway

He's almost irreplaceable like-for-like - the only ones I can think of are both at Man City and they're going nowhere.

Almost zero chance that you can get a good enough replacement at short notice in the January market...and get them integrated and playing at the level of Coutinho. Start planning for Thursday night football

Could you bring Keita forward?
 
Liverpool's problem is their backline, and Klopp has signed gems such as Klavan and Karius. Liverpool's so called good players in their backline are bog standard ie. Matip, Gomez, Robertson.

The more money Klopp gets the more lopsided the team gets, because he can't spot a top defender or keeper.
 
DreamIsh said:
If we lose him in January then we must have a replacement lined up. Surely?
Also none of this add ons shit, £130million up front. 20 million in 50's. 10 million in 10's. and 100 million in 20's. Mwhahaha!

For real though, he will be cup tied in CL as well, so whats the point?
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You liverpool fans, your club shop at Southampton; Barcelona shop in Liverpool. So what's all the tears about then? kikikiki
 
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