Ole was shite but he's not to blame for everything tbf.
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Ole was shite but he's not to blame for everything tbf.
Agree, but while many like to blame Woodward for all the average players we have bought, the blame lies with the manager as well. The board doesn't decide unilaterally on which player to sign without the manager's approval, certainly not at United. Maybe it's not the case with contract renewals, maybe it was entirely on Woodward, to preserve value.
How do you know Jones was offered a loan deal to Bordeaux? Through the press... where it was also reported that he wasn't going to be a starter.What?In other words, you don't? Unless you're implying it's also conjecture that he was offered the chance to play in Bordeaux? Confused by that.
It's not so difficult to understand mate.
He obviously had the chance to join Bordeaux. Why would they guarantee he was going to be a starter? It was a 6 month loan and he hadn't played consistent football in years. They are their own club with their own ambitions - they were fighting for survival! They can't put Phil Jones' wishes first and guarantee a player like him to be starting every game. What if he struggled badly to adapt to the French league. Were they supposed to prioritise what Phil Jones wants and keep him starting regardless? It's completely ridiculous and not realistic relative to the reality of the situation.
It's a really weird take on it. Which clubs do you think Phil Jones can go to at this juncture in his career and demand to be a starter?
Why is this guy still here ffs
I think he could have found somewhere else to play at some point over these years, though he'd likely have had to drop a level / reduce his wages.
He hasn't for whatever reason. I assume partly to do with Oles obsession with bloated squads (See Lingard, Cavani, Mata et al) and partly to do with not wanting to for whatever reason.
It's a shame since he undoubtedly had big potential, but that's long gone now. He should have dropped a level to get football years ago in my opinion. He'd have still been filthy rich.
But hey ho. Hopefully he leaves this summer at least. His staying around sets an awful example to the squad.
He hasn't for whatever reason. I assume partly to do with Oles obsession with bloated squads (See Lingard, Cavani, Mata et al) and partly to do with not wanting to for whatever reason.
It's a shame since he undoubtedly had big potential, but that's long gone now. He should have dropped a level to get football years ago in my opinion. He'd have still been filthy rich.
But hey ho. Hopefully he leaves this summer at least. His staying around sets an awful example to the squad.
I agree that Bordeeaux shouldn't guarantee Jones a starting place, you and I both agree on this. But why should we expect Jones to move to France where he won't be playing? He could do that at United.
You and others are quite happy to form an opinion on Jones and the failed loan move, and all the name calling, but conveniently ignore the player's wishes. Or that we don't even know why the loan didn't go ahead. For all we know maybe Bordeaux didn't want to pay his wages and United cancelled the loan.
What I really want to say is, there are so many things that we don't know about the Jones situation, maybe we should give it a rest.
If he is still here leeching after this summer he is going to get all the Lingard type abuse, plus more, and I think it'll be deserved.
Abuse, how was Lingard abused actually?
Because that's the nature of football. No one has a God given right to start, not least a player that has spent the last decade in the injury room. They wanted him there so they obviously know he's got talent. The expectation would have been to go to Bordeaux and work hard, make an impression in training and see how he fares in competitive games. Why would they loan him and stick him on the bench for 6 months? As was said, they were in a relegation fight and wanted him there for a reason. Surely it's better to fight for a starting berth at Bordeaux in a new environment than hang around at United where it's all but guaranteed he won't play?
I haven't done any name calling, so I'd rather you didn't infer that I'm involved in any of that. If United fans can't discuss the goings on of United players we might as well shut this place down.
I all fairness to Phil, Bordeaux are a complete sh$tshow at the moment. I don't think they could even be relied on to pay a wage the state they are in
Bordeux Sh$tshow
Bordeux Sh$tshow
It's obvious he's under extreme psychological stress due to his recurring injuries. Why should he go to France, Bordeaux from his point of view? New country, different culture, foreign language, new club.
Also here in Manchester, the doctors and physio know his medical condition. Changing environment is possibly be the last thing on his mind.
He's settled in Manchester: married, has a kid. Why change all that just to play regular football? Because let's be honest, if he goes to France he will get injured.
He has a long term contract. His life will be stable for at least the next 2 years. Just let him. Let him honor the contract, let's respect the man's decision. After 2 years, it's done.
Also, United obviously had money: we just paid 57-ish million for a central defender.
Also here in Manchester, the doctors and physio know his medical condition. Changing environment is possibly be the last thing on his mind.
He's settled in Manchester: married, has a kid. Why change all that just to play regular football? Because let's be honest, if he goes to France he will get injured.
He has a long term contract. His life will be stable for at least the next 2 years. Just let him. Let him honor the contract, let's respect the man's decision. After 2 years, it's done.
Also, United obviously had money: we just paid 57-ish million for a central defender.
Lets just register as a charity, shall we? Let him sit on his arse / medical bed for the next 2 years.
It's out of our hands. He has a contract. The board was stupid to hand him a new contract. What can we fans do? Grab the pitchforks and force him out? Just let him. I'm sure Jones feels bad he's not contributing to the rebuild, but hey! The money is too good, he's settled in the Manchester area. I don't blame him.
Why would he find somewhere else to play before last season?
Prior to his last injury, he got a decent amount of games under Moyes, LVG and Mourinho. He was mostly injured under Ole so wouldn't have left then either way.
Since the 15/16 season (that season Included) he's played an average of 16 games a season, including sub appearances.
Injuries of course have played a huge part but aren't 100% to blame here. If playing time was his top priority he could have left long ago I'm sure.
Judging by his actions, it isn't, which is fair enough. His decision to make at the end of the day.
Guys on a mega contract to do very little.
How many of us would leave that situation to work harder for less money?
How many of us would leave that situation to work harder for less money?
Hasn't he got a young family? Honestly don't blame him for picking up the last highly paid year of his playing career (most likely). I cannot imagine there are clubs out there offering him multi-year deals or anything that isn't pay as you play.
If it were me and I'd already earned millions, at 26/27 I'd like to think I'd drop down to a measly 30-40k a week or whatever (hypothetical 'Low' wage for a top flight footballer) to actually have a shot at regular football before my time was up.
Understandable many would think otherwise of course.
He should take a pay cut or leave the club.
Phil Jones is doing a Bale
Not just that ... I vaguely remember Phil Jones referring to his critics as people too poor to afford their own home and good food.
This coming from a person who is too injured to kick a bag of air for a living ... not a doctor, a nurse, a fireman, a safety inspector, a garbageman - all jobs whose disappearance would affect us in a tangible way. Ronaldo gets called egoistical all the time ... yet I notice a lot of United supporters sympathetic to him.
I wonder what the mood here would be like if Ronaldo referred to his Redcafe critics as losers?
I think you've misinterpreted his meaning of poor
Regarding Rio Ferdinand's recent criticism of him, Jones said:
"Listen, the respect I’ve got for him is enormous as I’ve shared a dressing room with Rio and he is a great professional and I Ioved playing with him and learned so much off him,”
“But what he said was poor. Really poor. I’m not into disputes, not into arguments, and if he didn’t know, he didn’t know.”
Can't find a single quote where he called anybody a loser either.
I am referring to this:
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/phil-jones-man-utd-injury-25020061
Its even worse than what I thought:
"When my career finishes and I’m enjoying my life - and by the way I’m fortunate that I’ll be able to do that - the keyboard warriors will still be in their mum’s spare bedroom, sipping Pepsi that’s flat, eating a Pot Noodle, sitting in their boxers, tweeting."
This makes me give even more credit to Ronaldo!!!
As far as I’m concerned he is not and has never been a Manchester United CB.
It’s utterly ludicrous to suggest otherwise considering he has been at best a squad player for most of the worst United teams in modern history.
The fact he is still here and on 6 figures a week after been woeful for around 10 years is a disgrace.
That wont happen. Might as well leave him here unregistered. Pay some of his wages I would agree, but not all.
I get why people are saying 'he gets paid loads to do feck all, who can blame him'. I don't necessarily disagree. With that said, the hangers on on fat paycheques who don't contribute are a part of why the club is in the state it's in, so while I don't harbour any ill will against said hangers on, it's hard to not feel slightly aggrieved. They've contributed to our malaise (though the feckless Woodward and Judge are obviously primarily to blame). I still don't get why he'd turn down 6 months to play football in the south of France, though.
Apparently his contract runs out next year next year anyway. Be the last remnants of Fergie's era gone if Jones and De Gea both leave.
Apparently his contract runs out next year next year anyway. Be the last remnants of Fergie's era gone if Jones and De Gea both leave.
Jones will definitely leave, either this summer or next. If De Gea has another good season he could well get a contract extension.
I'd be really hesitant to extend his contract. It's time to go in a different direction. Also, it's hard to imagine he'll be happy with halving his wages which is about what he's worth (if not significantly less). Alisson is on 150k, De Gea is on 375k.
Just as I type this De Gea makes a howler!
Am I the only person who respects Phil Jones?
His contract isn’t his fault so don’t blame him for that.
Yes, he’s been injured a lot. But it’s not like he’s injuring himself ffs
Does no one remember his first start last season after ages? Alongside Varane? He came out hyped up and put in way more effort than half the team did.
He’s a useful emergency backup as CB or DM. Like how would ‘letting him go for the season and pay all his wages’ help the team?!
Genuinely don’t get the hate. I get he’s a meme but he puts in a shift and no one can or should deny that.
His contract isn’t his fault so don’t blame him for that.
Yes, he’s been injured a lot. But it’s not like he’s injuring himself ffs
Does no one remember his first start last season after ages? Alongside Varane? He came out hyped up and put in way more effort than half the team did.
He’s a useful emergency backup as CB or DM. Like how would ‘letting him go for the season and pay all his wages’ help the team?!
Genuinely don’t get the hate. I get he’s a meme but he puts in a shift and no one can or should deny that.
Once or twice a season when he's fit.
Who cares does he "puts in a shift" ffs. That is bare minimum for every player. He is our 6th/7th option now. If he is not interested to change clubs then that shows his ambition
He's now here, over 11 years
How does keeping him around the squad with him never playing help? We might as well extend his contract if he's got his uses hanging around the place and never needing to actually play. We are Manchester United. We need to represent the highest standards. We aren't a leisure centre where players can pop in for training, get a massage and that's their job done.
You’re wasting your time, the (unnecessary) hate is strong
And after that appearance, he was put back in the cupboard. I don't recall that he got injured again. After that performance, I don't understand why he didn't get any time afterwards. Particularly as poorly as the whole squad was doing.
That said, DC United could use just about anything in defense. Heck, a couple of cardboard cutouts could probably improve their scoreline. They've shipped 41 goals in 19 games. Jones would be an upgrade for them on the field and probably in the dressing room.
Bwahaha, log into Red cafe and see I have multiple quote responses about Phil Jones. Oh what a life. So in response…
Our team has been shocking in this area - everyone is saying the new standards of fitness are real. I’d at least like to see if it helps him, although this ‘individual training regime’ he’s allegedly on says to me they’re just holding him back until literally any offer comes in.
You don’t care if players put in a shift? Ok pal! ‘Should be the bare minimum’ is all well and good but in the actual real world we both know that’s been far from the case for a lot of our lads. Therefore, the fact he does is worth pointing out.
Exactly. Because, frankly, Ralf talked a good game but couldn’t walk the walk. He didn’t make the right calls and didn’t manage to get his style of football played at all.
MLS is still a joke to me, I don’t know if it’s got better but they used to show some matches in the gym I went to in Bulgaria and the standard was low and the fan culture was beyond cringe. Like manufactured ultra groups for teams that didn’t exist yet. Ridiculous.
Our team has been shocking in this area - everyone is saying the new standards of fitness are real. I’d at least like to see if it helps him, although this ‘individual training regime’ he’s allegedly on says to me they’re just holding him back until literally any offer comes in.
You don’t care if players put in a shift? Ok pal! ‘Should be the bare minimum’ is all well and good but in the actual real world we both know that’s been far from the case for a lot of our lads. Therefore, the fact he does is worth pointing out.
Yeah this is mad. I remember my mate who supported City used to rinse me for them signing Aguero and us getting Big Phil. Fun times.He's now here, over 11 years
Obviously. Did you see his match last season? Would you agree he looked better than Varane in that game? If he got more opportunities he’d put more work in, fact. Having an experienced England international CB around is a good thing. Don’t talk about Maguire here - they are not the same. Having a link to how Fergie thought and did things is valuable.
Yep, and it strikes me as the sort of social media fans who are like ‘oh a funny twitter account put a picture of him pulling some faces up, let’s hate on him’. Fergie saw the potential in Jones, admittedly slightly over the top (potentially the best ever United player if I remember haha)
Exactly. Because, frankly, Ralf talked a good game but couldn’t walk the walk. He didn’t make the right calls and didn’t manage to get his style of football played at all.
MLS is still a joke to me, I don’t know if it’s got better but they used to show some matches in the gym I went to in Bulgaria and the standard was low and the fan culture was beyond cringe. Like manufactured ultra groups for teams that didn’t exist yet. Ridiculous.
The big question is: if Richard Arnold asked you who out of PJ and Ronaldo he should slap down a five year contract for today, who would you choose?
Sounds about right.
Wow PJ haha that is the weirdest way of referrring to him for some reason. Not criticising you just sounds so funny to think of him as ‘PJ’ in my mind.
Obviously big Phil. He’s only 30!!! CBs can go till 35 just about, admittedly not so much with his health record.
But a 43 year old Ronaldo can feck right off.
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