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Phil Foden - What Is His Potential?
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Mostly behind Kane
What is Cole Palmer's comparison with Foden like? Of course, besides the points that they occupy slightly different positions and Foden is a little ahead in development ( older age + more game time )?
Obviously it’s necessary to needless overrate performances to mythical levels for no apparent reason. No single player carries this City team. Financial fraud just might though.
I really hope they strip all City players of all of their medals.
Just to send a signal to future players who’ll want to grow up in or sign for a shady club - That there is a risk by doing so.
Future talents like Foden or Palmer will sign for the next shady club if not and the cycle will continue.
He’s a great player, mind you. But it’s just a shame to see the best football players being wasted at a club that numbs football.
Just to send a signal to future players who’ll want to grow up in or sign for a shady club - That there is a risk by doing so.
Future talents like Foden or Palmer will sign for the next shady club if not and the cycle will continue.
He’s a great player, mind you. But it’s just a shame to see the best football players being wasted at a club that numbs football.
Yes agreed.
Also we scrutinise clubs so much for their actions but the players and managers are often protected from any criticism whereas they are culpable in enabling and covering up the frauds and ultimately destroying the value of the league. The whole “they just want to play” is just very convenient.
Honestly think if they do this Foden will go on a shooting spree. He looks like Keith Allen at the end of The Yob.
While he obviously goes for more power, it does remind me of Messi (especially in the later years) where you just knew every shot from outside the box will most definitely test the keeper or go in.
Definition of a systems player. Absolute passenger in this tournament.
He has been every single competitive game for England.
Those who had him on a level with Rooney, hopefully are.... enlightened now
Christ, he's underwhelming.
A better version of bojan
The personification of the modern footballer where intuitive capacity is non-existent and the system becomes fundamental.
Shit haircut too
Shouldn't start (or even play). Brilliant footballer in Pep's system, useless outside of it.
Ha ha, Rooney really?
Outside of Pep ball he’s been shown up for exactly what he is, a very good player in a system designed to dominate huge possession numbers.
Not in the same stratosphere as Rooney.
Its not from a want of trying or the effort to try to get involved but its not clicking with him under Gareth, though you have to ask who is performing under this current England manager.
I think underwhelming sums up his time with England internationally . He's had sparks here and there but he's had very few prolonged games or fixtures where he's been the star individual.
He's still young but maybe a new England coach, who's alot less cautious, can get more out of him and a fair few others too I may add.
I think underwhelming sums up his time with England internationally . He's had sparks here and there but he's had very few prolonged games or fixtures where he's been the star individual.
He's still young but maybe a new England coach, who's alot less cautious, can get more out of him and a fair few others too I may add.
Turns out his best position is 10 feet from De Bruyne, 15 feet from Bernardo Silva and 20 feet from RodriShamelessly stolen from twitter
Looks so ordinary for England, nearly every England game I'm distracted as I am looking after our son but I swear everytime I look up he gives the ball away
Tidy system player. Not someone who can carry, more a complementary piece
Still of the same opinion? I know it’s an old post but I hopped into then thread at that point.
Obviously a very good player but doesn’t fit the England “system”. I use the word system loosely there as we barely have one due to Southgate being an idiot.
Saka and Bellingham are much better footballers than him. His reputation far exceeds his quality. I said this in the Saka vs Foden thread too - Saka is a much more complete footballer who isn’t as dependant on his team / team mates nor is he a tactical confusion with regards to mastering one position on the football pitch.
"System player, not good outside of Peps system" - what a load ofabsolute nonsense
He hasnt been great for England but there are plenty of great players that havent been, Barnes, Hoddle,Gerrard, Lampard.
Not making excuses for him,but has hadbit parts onthe right,this tournament been on the left with a rb playing behind him on the left which hasnt worked. He was decent yesterday, jnitting play together and I think with Shaw back he might be more importantin thesemis and final.
But puthim at 10 for us or someone like Newcastle andhe would be an even bigger star than he is.The system at City and DeBruyne has actually held him back not the other way round. Heisa fantastic 10 with oneof the best first touches I have seen.
He maybe doesnt have the individual magic of a Rooney for example but these comments smack of jealousy to a rival club,he is a fantastic player
He hasnt been great for England but there are plenty of great players that havent been, Barnes, Hoddle,Gerrard, Lampard.
Not making excuses for him,but has hadbit parts onthe right,this tournament been on the left with a rb playing behind him on the left which hasnt worked. He was decent yesterday, jnitting play together and I think with Shaw back he might be more importantin thesemis and final.
But puthim at 10 for us or someone like Newcastle andhe would be an even bigger star than he is.The system at City and DeBruyne has actually held him back not the other way round. Heisa fantastic 10 with oneof the best first touches I have seen.
He maybe doesnt have the individual magic of a Rooney for example but these comments smack of jealousy to a rival club,he is a fantastic player
No his reputation would half of what it currently is.
I don’t get it and I never have
I think he would have been a much better all round player if he hadn’t spent his entire career so far under pep. He is just a pep player through and through, does exactly what the manager wants and struggles massively outside of the system. There’s more to a football pitch than the fecking half spaces ffs.
Eh?! So you're saying Pep's system is holding him back?! Well that's one of the wildest takes I've heard in a while...
My thoughts exactly. He’s a talented cog, not one to spin the wheel.
England’s most talented player, but he’s had an awful Euro. Sooner or later he’ll come through for England, he has too much talent not to.
Sure to succeed under a different England manager.
Sure to succeed under a different England manager.
Why is the missing left back excuse not accepted for Rashford?
How did you reach that conclusion? City will probably sign a better #10 than Foden after KDB leaves. Also, as soon as Pep leaves and City get worse, you'll just see that Foden is nowhere near what his reputation suggests.
He is definitely a good player, but in no way am I jealous of City for having him. Not to mention how awful he would look at United. He's good-to-great at City in certain areas of the pitch, in certain game-states and situations. That's all he is.
This is exactly why I'm the first to go against the tide when it comes to Foden. He's a good player but the best player in the league? He's not even a top 3 player in his own fecking team.
And across the league there's definitely many players better than him. In this England team there's at least 5. Palmer, Gordon, Bellingham and Saka are all better in the same positions Foden occupies.
He is being so overestimated it's a joke.
"England's most talented player" Now I see why you laugh at me for defending Rashford. You just don't really have a clue what you're talking about, it's fine.
He’s been given more chances than anyone else. Palmer, Watkins or Gordon would likely make England player better currently.
Agreed. Foden has been appalling for City
There‘s the non plussed, clueless and there’s you.Why is the missing left back excuse not accepted for Rashford?
How did you reach that conclusion? City will probably sign a better #10 than Foden after KDB leaves. Also, as soon as Pep leaves and City get worse, you'll just see that Foden is nowhere near what his reputation suggests.
He is definitely a good player, but in no way am I jealous of City for having him. Not to mention how awful he would look at United. He's good-to-great at City in certain areas of the pitch, in certain game-states and situations. That's all he is.
This is exactly why I'm the first to go against the tide when it comes to Foden. He's a good player but the best player in the league? He's not even a top 3 player in his own fecking team.
And across the league there's definitely many players better than him. In this England team there's at least 5. Palmer, Gordon, Bellingham and Saka are all better in the same positions Foden occupies.
He is being so overestimated it's a joke.
"England's most talented player" Now I see why you laugh at me for defending Rashford. You just don't really have a clue what you're talking about, it's fine.
BTW Foden has very likely 2 or 3 times the sale value of Rashford (could’nt even make the England squad)
You can try to come back with anything you want, you claiming Foden is the biggest English talent already decided to me that you criminally overestimate him.
"Sale value"
Who cares about sale value? That's influenced by a lot of things. You'll find out what his own team views him as, when they sign Musiala after KDB leaves and little Pheel will be forced to leave or stay as a makeshift winger for his whole career.No denying he’s been awful this Euro, but as said he’ll come good.
Did the football writers overestimate him when he won their award this season?You can try to come back with anything you want, you claiming Foden is the biggest English talent already decided to me that you criminally overestimate him.
"Sale value"
As said there’s the non plussed, clueless and you
Never understood the fawning of him.
It's been there since he was 17 - and grew each year, waiting for him to play consistently so he could showcase his talents and he's never really been trusted as the main man. He's been given ample chances by England and his performances have been shockingly bad. He had a very good season just gone granted - but that's one in 6 is it?
His reputation is always based on this supposed talent he has - but never really his performances. Good player who can produce elite performances but not a top top player.
Don't really see the difference between him and Rashford. Obviously different type of players - but been waiting for both of them to explode since they were 18/19 and put together seasons of good performances and it just hasn't happened. Rashford has bigger highs and lower lows though.
It's been there since he was 17 - and grew each year, waiting for him to play consistently so he could showcase his talents and he's never really been trusted as the main man. He's been given ample chances by England and his performances have been shockingly bad. He had a very good season just gone granted - but that's one in 6 is it?
His reputation is always based on this supposed talent he has - but never really his performances. Good player who can produce elite performances but not a top top player.
Don't really see the difference between him and Rashford. Obviously different type of players - but been waiting for both of them to explode since they were 18/19 and put together seasons of good performances and it just hasn't happened. Rashford has bigger highs and lower lows though.
Everything about the city set up, style of play, tactics is suited to Foden. It brings out the absolute best in him, but thats because the movement around him is of the highest tier, its fluid and precise. It would elevate the most average of players too. Take him out of that and into this incoherent team of players, with no real attacking philosophy, no one is on the same wavelength, it's no real suprise he's not performing to the levels we hope or expect. This is just how it will be under Southgate, Foden is not the kind of player who will beat 3/4 men and score a worldie. The balance is all wrong in this team from shoehorning players into unnatural positions. I have faith one day we'll select an 11 based on the system rather than individuals. If that means choosing Foden to play in Bellingham's best position then so be it, and we can sacrifice Bellingham by playing him deeper because he is equally as effective there. Foden is not effective on the left, he's been playing centrally most of the season for City when De Bruyne was out.