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Peterson, Harris, etc....
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New TV, nice couch, adopted a cat... looks like someone has been cleaning their room..
I'm going to adopt you and keep you on a leash
get a room already you nerds
That is so gay. Now allowed in the nazi club.
I'm going to feed you to a pitbull.
My general point in this discussion is that these conclusions require a pretty identitarian self-understanding to begin with. Which limits the possibilities of dialogue with ideas in (potentially severe) contradiction to that identity. There's always an aspect of self-criticism in social criticism. (And I don't mean the "pull yourself together and be a man" type of self-criticism, which confirms the desired identity and is therefore popular among Peterson's crowd.) My impression is that it's often this aspect that makes people angry and defiant.
I haven't payed attention to Peterson's thinking beyond the bits & pieces usually discussed here, so the following contains a good deal of speculation.
But I deem it unlikely that his self help branch is unconnected to his general political mindset (cultural marxism systematically undermining society, assault on masculinity, his faux universalism of denouncing minority identity politics while pushing majority identity politics, etc). Or put differently: I expect the ideal-typical subject of his life philosophy to be somewhat in line with his ideas about society.
If I had to hazard a guess, I'd suspect his understanding of individualism and probably his Jungian esotericism to play a mediating role, but as I said, in the end I lack the necessary background knowledge. So I just settle for the position that his two main departments of work shouldn't be seperated too readily without taking a closer look.
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Agreed. His turn from libertarian to full on fascist has been pretty strange. He's absolutely insane.
WTF. I suppose an apocalypse triggered by WW would diminish any threat posed by climate change.
Maybe he'll get his wish now
(((Bad Jews))) are undermining G̶e̶r̶m̶a̶n̶y̶ Jews.
fecking hell, yet again proving himself as the human scum he is. That's very nearly literal Nazi propaganda. Actually, I'm pretty sure it's actual literal Nazi propaganda.
I hope he falls down some stairs.
Shapiro must be referring to the vast majority of American Jews who have voted for Dem Presidents over the past 100 years.
Nah, that's nonsense. Look at the convo with Eric Weinstein in the comments, that's far from a Nazi characterization of Jews (which, it has to be noted, aims at extermination). He's a right wing troll, full-on tribalist, and massive asshole though, and he doesn't care that his words are dangerous and harmful.
Should also be noted that the tweet is from 2011, but since he doesn't backtrack on it, it doesn't matter too much.
It's not nonsense, though. Something can be Nazi propaganda without aiming at extermination (which mostly came after WW2 began). Talking about the "Bad Jews" as opposed to the "Good Jews" is a very common tactic in white supremacist circles, and it can be traced all the way back to 1930s/40s Nazi propaganda.
Admittedly I didn't notice that it was from 2011, though as you say since he hasn't backtracked it doesn't really matter.
First of all, sorry for my opening line, that was unnecessary. I try to explain how I see it, spoilered because it's a bit longer.
True, an obsession with "Jewish king's evidence" existed and still exists. But Nazi antisemitism worked categorically different from what Shapiro did there (disgraceful as it is).
Tactical shenanigans aside, in its essence Nazi antisemitism did not seperate between "Good Jews" and "Bad Jews". That's an absolutely fundamental point. There were just Jews, rotten in nature as a collective, and every single one of them. Mankind has to be saved from them in an apocalyptic last stand. That inner logic of Nazi antisemitism (eventually leading to physical extermination) goes back further than the Holocaust, and even Nazism.
Shapiro on the other hand speaks from the standpoint of a virtual Jewish collective and the "Good Jews". That standpoint is incompatible with Nazi antisemitism, where "the Jew" is always an alien. Shapiro basically attacks supposed traitors from his own group, who allegedly undermine collective security, including their own. A better fitting historical comparison might perhaps be the Red Scare and its persecution of "un-American" activities. It's something right out of the authoritarian playbook - Erdogan does it, the Israeli right does it, many others did it and still do. But it's very different from the racial antisemitism of the Nazis.
As I said, read the exchange with that Weinstein dude underneath, I think that makes it clear.
The problem is, when that kind of authoritarian paranoia is acted out in an inner-Jewish context, the rhetoric can quickly resemble antisemitic tropes. There's a ring to "Bad Jew" that "Bad Turk" or "Bad American" doesn't have. Shapiro, attention-seeking demagogue that he is, deliberately played on that ambiguity in this tweet, which is both detestable and dangerous.
So to me, polemical references to antisemitic conspiracy theories (like in many of the twitter comments, or from berbatrick above) can be a very appropriate response to that kind of shit. But serious comparisons beyond that don't work, imo.
Tactical shenanigans aside, in its essence Nazi antisemitism did not seperate between "Good Jews" and "Bad Jews". That's an absolutely fundamental point. There were just Jews, rotten in nature as a collective, and every single one of them. Mankind has to be saved from them in an apocalyptic last stand. That inner logic of Nazi antisemitism (eventually leading to physical extermination) goes back further than the Holocaust, and even Nazism.
Shapiro on the other hand speaks from the standpoint of a virtual Jewish collective and the "Good Jews". That standpoint is incompatible with Nazi antisemitism, where "the Jew" is always an alien. Shapiro basically attacks supposed traitors from his own group, who allegedly undermine collective security, including their own. A better fitting historical comparison might perhaps be the Red Scare and its persecution of "un-American" activities. It's something right out of the authoritarian playbook - Erdogan does it, the Israeli right does it, many others did it and still do. But it's very different from the racial antisemitism of the Nazis.
As I said, read the exchange with that Weinstein dude underneath, I think that makes it clear.
The problem is, when that kind of authoritarian paranoia is acted out in an inner-Jewish context, the rhetoric can quickly resemble antisemitic tropes. There's a ring to "Bad Jew" that "Bad Turk" or "Bad American" doesn't have. Shapiro, attention-seeking demagogue that he is, deliberately played on that ambiguity in this tweet, which is both detestable and dangerous.
So to me, polemical references to antisemitic conspiracy theories (like in many of the twitter comments, or from berbatrick above) can be a very appropriate response to that kind of shit. But serious comparisons beyond that don't work, imo.
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That seems more or less reasonable.
Alex Jones is back on the JRE.
very normal
Speaks the truth...
We listened to an hour of that Jones podcast on Rogan today at work and it was just pure comedy gold.
feck Rogan for giving this terrible human being a platform.
He’s a solid gold mate, Nim! Once you get to know him...
Hey, what is the relevance of the post above? Am I missing something?
He's an alt-right moron complaining about a restaurant's menu and portion sizes. A restaurant he chose to eat at. And he's "trolling" them by buying some of their most expensive items.
Watson is a very strange man indeed. His constant anger at everything is quite something. Alex Jones taught him well in the art of lunacy.
Oh if the point is PJW is a complete bellend Im totally on board with that. Still not entirely sure of the relevance to the thread, unless we are saying "Harris, Peterson etc" is synonymous with "alt right"? That seems a little unfair to me.
But yeah, PJW, what an arse.
But yeah, PJW, what an arse.
Trying to conflate a populist windbag like PJW with the likes Peterson and Harris etc to discredit them I would have thought.
The ‘etc...’ covers all the other right wing loons/ online blowhards.
Does it? Isn't it supposed to be the 'intellectual dark web'? PJW isn't an intellectual of any description.
And Sam Harris isnt even right wing. He's a liberal. I mean, you might not like him, you might not like his opinions. And yes, he is critical of the left. But he does it from a standpoint of being on the (centre) left.
For some people anyone who is to the right of Bernie Sanders is right wing.