there's nothing right wing about about using communism as a suffix every time you don't like something
Peterson, Harris, etc....
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I think a lot of his views/guff falls into the right-wing view of life and society - especially how much he values/protects religion. And he certainly spends most of his time having 'hang outs' with certain people that are most definitely not in the centre.
But then again, he's not the only one pretending not to be right-wing. It's quite common now.
He used to be very active with the "left wing" party of Canada. I think before his fame he was centrist (and in the American context, Democrat) but since getting an online fan base he seems to increasingly align himself with Republican ideas and policy, at the very least backing down from positions that would go against much of his right-leaning online base.
Certainly his ideas on religion and societal structure would indicate that he is a classic conservative these days. I don't know where he falls in the economic policy spectrum.
Dunno, but last video I saw of him with Rubin and Shapiro (I think?) he said that the US health care system seems to be working well.
Dude clearly sees that he has a better chance of buttering his bread if he strokes the back of the right.
This doesn't surprise me, and speaks to the point I made above of Peterson being increasingly sympathetic to his right-leaning online base. He's challenged them before and backed down due to backlash.
To his discredit, he seems incapable of calling his buddy Shapiro on any of his immoral and intellectually dishonest bullshit.
I reckon it's more likely that he's just cynically raking it in while he can rather than his blind spot being this horrifically big... but you never know.
Either that or he and Sam Harris just sincerely believe that the threat to free speech posed by PC is bigger than any other issue. But you'd fecking think that with their every encounter including some high-minded drivel about how great it is that these people that disagree so much can sit and have a civil discussion, they would find some time in their countless hours of chatting to actually disagree a bit? Outside of Sam challenging religion, there's virtually none of that.
He strikes me as someone who's in between it all, wondering why the two sides are fighting tbh. He's condemned the radical left and right plenty of times, and in terms of the company he keeps, I'm sure he's said he basically talks to whoever will have him. He's been on things from across the spectrum, but it must get a bit tiresome when certain organisations on the left seem to purposely misrepresent what he's saying because they've decided he's public enemy number one. I'm sure I remember him saying on Rogan the other day that he's started to filter out certain interviews that he knows will be more of the same confrontational nonsense.
radical left: "uh don't be racist"
radical right: "kill the jews and black people"
jpb: madmen to left of me madmen to the right i'm so not political
this motherfecker came to fame misrepresenting a law that gave trans people the same rights as other people in canada and continually denies climate change, his views aren't being misrepresented nor are they centre or left of centre, he's a right wing grifter who targets young middle class men with daddy issues
and the gall of his little acolytes to claim that he is being misrepresented if amazing
and the gall of his little acolytes to claim that he is being misrepresented if amazing
I didn't think you'd agree tbf
Real seal of the deal for me. He's a right winger. He might not be a nazi but he sure does love to have coffee with them.
being apolitical by supporting racist youtuber ukip members
What is the response to?
carl of swindon and milo getting kicked off patreon
actively shilling for ukip members is radical centrism
Well, the libertarian, freedom of agency argument would be that Patreon is a private enterprise and has the right to make such decisions. If a cake shop doesn't have to make a wedding cake for a gay couple because of their personal beliefs (Peterson agrees I think) then the logical extension is that Patreon doesn't have to give people like Milo a platform.
You can't have your cake and eat it too!
You can't have your cake and eat it too!
Actually, he was confronted with an analogy by Jim Jeffries, the comedian, who compared it to someone refusing to bake a cake for an interracial marriage or for a black person back in the day, which prompted Peterson to reconsider and say that he might be wrong
Actually, he was confronted with an analogy by Jim Jeffries, the comedian, who compared it to someone refusing to bake a cake for an interracial marriage or for a black person back in the day, which prompted Peterson to reconsider and say that he might be wrong
hella stupid wordsalad from everyone's favourite carnivore, with a heavy dose of barely hidden racism
Silva. Don't be silly. We all know that everyone's favourite carnivore is Salt Bae.
hella stupid wordsalad from everyone's favourite carnivore, with a heavy dose of barely hidden racism
tl:dr: King Bucko talks shite.
I find this a weird thing to criticise him for. He heard a counter point, considered it and decided that perhaps his position was incorrect. Surely this should be lauded?
Being an 'intellectual' doesn't mean never adapting your position or learning from discussion, quite the opposite. I actually find it quite impressive that he was able to put his ego second and simply accept that the guy had put forward a convincing argument, that's very rare even when people are very clearly being proven wrong.
Peterson has done hundreds upon hundreds of interviews, podcasts etc, so inevitably he's going to get stumped a few times. Mostly he comes off as a very strong, quick witted debater though. Being an intellectual doesn't make you a cyborg who can't ever be caught out, if it did then an extremely small number (if any?) amount of people would could be considered part of that group.
It's really something how so many people get fooled by this guy.
I would agree with you if the comedian had made a complex point. It was elementary school stuff and Peterson had never considered it?
But to be fair, I haven't listened to Peterson much, he has always sounded a bit empty to me. Maybe he just had a bad day.
I'm liking this Peterson chap more and more purely because of how much he winds up people like Eboue and Silva.
It wasn't that complex, but sometimes people just get caught out by even a simple point. Perhaps that day he was guilty of not preparing well, I don't know. Seems harsh to totally discredit him based on being caught out once though, especially considering the huge volume of interviews, debates etc he's been involved in. Overall I think he handles himself very well in those situations, certainly better than most who are out there. That doesn't necessarily make him right or an intellectual though.
I'm not sure where I stand on Peterson, on some issues I think he absolutely knows what he's talking about, but on others he just make huge stretches in logic, the whole lobster debacle being a good example of that. It doesn't help that sometimes he sounds like he is regurgitating a self help book that is on the back of the shelf at poundland.
who are you
Fair enough, I guess if the only clip I saw of the man was that I'd have a hard time believing he has such a following.
I think he dominates subjects well in terms of wording and theoretical knowledge, but when he talks about his own original ideas he always strikes me as someone who talks a lot with many expensive words but you can't really take anything from it. And when you do, it's normally about something very polemic with which I almost always disagree with.
I don't know what to think of people like him.
I don't agree with the late William Buckley's political and social worldview, but I occasionally listen to his old show in audio format where he'd invite prominent figures of the day (whatever their views) and hash it out. These guys like Peterson and Shapiro just seem to want to be in their own think-tank and act the smartest man in the room (despite time and time again proving they are not).
I don't agree with the late William Buckley's political and social worldview, but I occasionally listen to his old show in audio format where he'd invite prominent figures of the day (whatever their views) and hash it out. These guys like Peterson and Shapiro just seem to want to be in their own think-tank and act the smartest man in the room (despite time and time again proving they are not).
doubling down on the holocaust thing like a normal person
Yeah, there's an interview where he reacts very angrily because it gets called 'bollocks', and he ends up going on about how we have similar patterns to nearly all animals, even some kind of worm.
It doesn't even make sense because even if we were built the same way as lobby the lobster, that still wouldn't mean that in 2018 we would have to follow a primitive hierarchical system. It's generally not acceptable to murder your rivals offspring either, but I guess we should be bringing that back if it's natural to us.
It's always good to base your politics on making other people mad. Shows that you are a smart person.
This is something that most of these debaters who have developed e-fame do in order to 'win', basically if you're in a tight spot bamboozle your opponent with lots of nice words whilst appearing very calm and measured yourself. People mistake that for intelligence.
He's also hugely guilty of citing his own credentials whenever somebody questions him on psychology, rather than actually using his knowledge. I've seen him in plenty of interviews where they have called him out on a claim and he's basically gone 'don't you know I have <insert qualification here> ? Don't you dare challenge me on that'.
True but just to take the two man in the title of that thread, I don't get the same impression from Harris for example. Even when I disagree with him I can get where he's coming from.
Also what the feck why is Peterson on an only beef diet.
I don't even want to imagine what going to the toilet is like for the poor man.
I don't even want to imagine what going to the toilet is like for the poor man.
his daughter is an Instagram salesperson and talked him into it after a pint of cider sent jp into a month long "doom"
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