Pedro Neto

ForFuchsSake said:
I mean there’s backing your club and there’s straight up blinkered, rose-tinted views. Or perhaps we just have different perceptions of what makes an ‘amazing transfer’.
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Must be different perceptions as value for money - after 1 season - seems to be a key driver in yours. It's inconsequential when considering players signed before their prime and very early in their club careers.

They are amazing purely because of the talent and ability of the individuals. Jackson scored more goals in his debut season (only second season in top flight football) than most strikers in the league. I could not care less about how many memes randoms make. Nkunku is top tier, if your counter is injury concerns during a outlier season (actually two) in the number of injuries, again not as statistically relevant as you believe it to be. Lavia and Caicedo are two of the biggest midfield talents we've seen at Chelsea - and yes I'm comparing their talent to the likes of Kante, Maka, Essien etc.

Look, I'll stop there because the point is to show the irony of you calling out 'blinkered views'. While you say Chelsea injuries, the most of any club in Europe's top leagues for 3 seasons running, is a victimised excuse. To summarise your other counterpoints:

Memes. Value for money after 1 season. Injury concerns during an outlier season. Competition for places. Laughable.
 
UsualSuspect said:
Must be different perceptions as value for money - after 1 season - seems to be a key driver in yours. It's inconsequential when considering players signed before their prime and very early in their club careers.

They are amazing purely because of the talent and ability of the individuals. Jackson scored more goals in his debut season (only second season in top flight football) than most strikers in the league. I could not care less about how many memes randoms make. Nkunku is top tier, if your counter is injury concerns during a outlier season (actually two) in the number of injuries, again not as statistically relevant as you believe it to be. Lavia and Caicedo are two of the biggest midfield talents we've seen at Chelsea - and yes I'm comparing their talent to the likes of Kante, Maka, Essien etc.

Look, I'll stop there because the point is to show the irony of you calling out 'blinkered views'. While you say Chelsea injuries, the most of any club in Europe's top leagues for 3 seasons running, is a victimised excuse. To summarise your other counterpoints:

Memes. Value for money after 1 season. Injury concerns during an outlier season. Competition for places. Laughable.
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You can early get a strong gauge of value for money even just after one season.

For example, Moises Caicedo going for a record Premier League fee does not constitute value for money, whatever way you spin it. He has youth on his side and can therefore offer longevity but does not possess the talent to be an absolute top-tier bracket midfielder - as that’s what he would need to be at that money. Comparable to the likes of Kroos, Modric, De Bruyne, etc - he is way off that. It appears quite delusional to me if you think his (and Lavia’s for that matter) level of talent is comparable to Makalele, Kante and Essien quite honestly. Certifiable and indisputably world-class level midfielders at the peak of the game. Each for their own.

Jackson’s not a bad player by any stretch. He’s shown promise at times but my point highlights his clear deficiencies in front of goal. A part of his game he may very well refine but the mind boggles at how he can be deemed an ‘amazing transfer’ - you must be easily pleased. He’s way off the likes of Haaland, Isak, Watkins, Son in terms of PL forwards. Perhaps similar to the likes of Hojlund, Havertz in recent transfers - neither of which I’d consider ‘amazing’.

Ultimately, if you’re judging the success of a transfer you have to consider injuries regardless of length. It’s going to be a huge, determining factor on the success of a transfer regardless of how long that is. Nkunku is undeniably a class talent that had plenty of pedigree before joining Chelsea but a lengthy spell on the sidelines is naturally going to do more harm than good.

I didn’t even touch upon some of the other signings you appear to have high hopes for (such as Mudryk). I mean to use your final word, that is truly ‘laughable’. It’s akin to me as a United fan holding out hope for Antony turning out as a success. Anyway, you get excited about your armada of signings - I’m sure there will be an outstanding degree of success…
 
ForFuchsSake said:
You can early get a strong gauge of value for money even just after one season.

For example, Moises Caicedo going for a record Premier League fee does not constitute value for money, whatever way you spin it. He has youth on his side and can therefore offer longevity but does not possess the talent to be an absolute top-tier bracket midfielder - as that’s what he would need to be at that money. Comparable to the likes of Kroos, Modric, De Bruyne, etc - he is way off that. It appears quite delusional to me if you think his (and Lavia’s for that matter) level of talent is comparable to Makalele, Kante and Essien quite honestly. Certifiable and indisputably world-class level midfielders at the peak of the game. Each for their own.

Jackson’s not a bad player by any stretch. He’s shown promise at times but my point highlights his clear deficiencies in front of goal. A part of his game he may very well refine but the mind boggles at how he can be deemed an ‘amazing transfer’ - you must be easily pleased. He’s way off the likes of Haaland, Isak, Watkins, Son in terms of PL forwards. Perhaps similar to the likes of Hojlund, Havertz in recent transfers - neither of which I’d consider ‘amazing’.

Ultimately, if you’re judging the success of a transfer you have to consider injuries regardless of length. It’s going to be a huge, determining factor on the success of a transfer regardless of how long that is. Nkunku is undeniably a class talent that had plenty of pedigree before joining Chelsea but a lengthy spell on the sidelines is naturally going to do more harm than good.

I didn’t even touch upon some of the other signings you appear to have high hopes for (such as Mudryk). I mean to use your final word, that is truly ‘laughable’. It’s akin to me as a United fan holding out hope for Antony turning out as a success. Anyway, you get excited about your armada of signings - I’m sure there will be an outstanding degree of success…
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Think you're being harsh on Jackson. Given he has a total of ~4500 professional minutes and has only just turned 23, his trajectory is extremely promising. £32m is an outstanding piece of business even if he doesn't improve from last season in my opinion - especially because I believe his deal was confirmed before the amortisation rule changes and thus is only costing £4m per year plus £65k per week. ~£7.5m per year is already a bargain; if he starts finishing like he did in Villareal it's a colossal underpay.
 
UsualSuspect said:
Genuinely this is some strange narrative that gets way too much air time. Jackson, Chukwuemeka, Palmer, Nkunku, Paez, Estevao, Lavia, Caicedo, Madueke, Gusto. These are amazing transfers and then you have some that a bit more wait and see (but probably equally exciting talents) like Mudryk, Veiga, Omorodion, Guiu etc. I think Dewsbury-Hall and Neto are smart deals as well. The good purchases have far outweighed the bad under the sporting director duo.

Injuries exacerbated problems with the squad building over the last 3 seasons. Hopefully we'll see the real value of the squad on the pitch this season.
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How on earth are you're calling Lavia who was injured for almost the entire season and Caicedo who cost 115M "amazing transfers" ?

Paez and Estevao should be in the category of wait and see as they haven't played a single minute yet you're also including the on the "amazing transfers" list.

You say the good purchases have far outweigh the bad ones, I don't think you'll find many agreeing on this with you.
 
TheMagicFoolBus said:
Think you're being harsh on Jackson. Given he has a total of ~4500 professional minutes and has only just turned 23, his trajectory is extremely promising. £32m is an outstanding piece of business even if he doesn't improve from last season in my opinion - especially because I believe his deal was confirmed before the amortisation rule changes and thus is only costing £4m per year plus £65k per week. ~£7.5m per year is already a bargain; if he starts finishing like he did in Villareal it's a colossal underpay.
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Perhaps I am. For what it’s worth I think he’s too harshly critiqued by some sections of the media and from certain fanbases (yet that’s football tribalism for you).

Even at £32m I would be coy on regarding him as an ‘amazing transfer’. A bit of promise there that may well explode - even this season - but it’s far from a guarantee. The more likely scenario is you end up signing an ‘elite forward’ ala Osimhen and Jackson, more often than not, finds himself on the bench.

Anyway, back to the purpose of the thread. If you keep him fit, I do think Neto is a cracking signing and one player I would say will represent value for money. I might even be bold enough to regard him as an ‘amazing transfer’.
 
He is an interesting player....He does offer a fresh approach, something Mudryk was supposed to provide. I think we know what he can do. I don't aee him really being as useful in a team that has the lion share of possession, but he would be a great option to have coming off the bench. I would have liked us to have that option but at the quoted price and the injury record, I think we have other areas to reinforce.
 
ForFuchsSake said:
Perhaps I am. For what it’s worth I think he’s too harshly critiqued by some sections of the media and from certain fanbases (yet that’s football tribalism for you).

Even at £32m I would be coy on regarding him as an ‘amazing transfer’. A bit of promise there that may well explode - even this season - but it’s far from a guarantee. The more likely scenario is you end up signing an ‘elite forward’ ala Osimhen and Jackson, more often than not, finds himself on the bench.

Anyway, back to the purpose of the thread. If you keep him fit, I do think Neto is a cracking signing and one player I would say will represent value for money. I might even be bold enough to regard him as an ‘amazing transfer’.
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Yeah fair enough - agreed that "amazing" would be over the top. You are 100% correct that it's far from a guarantee - I suppose I'd just argue that Jackson is a better bet to come good than most (and certainly more than someone like Darwin Nunez).

Don't think we're going near Osimhen though - for all of Chelsea's ludicrous behaviour in the transfer market we haven't been chasing those on already-high wages.
 
I like that he can play on both wings, mainly because neither Sterling or Mudryk set the world alight on the left last season. Worried about his injury problems though.

This is the type of transfer - although perhaps a bit less pricy - I thought the owners would do more of when they started their spending, the better players from teams slightly "below" in the food chain with age on their side. Instead they're doing most of the transfers in the level below this, paying what seems like a premium for players I'm not sure will play more than 10 games for the club, nor increase in value.
 
I am sorry it’s Pedro Neto so why are they unveiling him like he is such a huge signing?
 
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