Would be a great move and for a reasonable price.
Pedro | Agreed terms with Chelsea
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if he was that good then why did he never make it to the national team ona regular basis? why is he not playing regularly for barca or starting the important games? theres no doubt that defenders being sucked into the middle because of messi inesta and co helped him make good runs down the right and score goals but you dont have those players in every team. he doesnt have enough in his locker to be starting for united.
He is playing regularly for Barca and Spain. Since 2009-2010 he is averaging 50.3 matches for Barca. He has played 51 matches for Spain.
Bear in mind, these two are the best club/country in the recent memory.
I think is time to back off and realize that you have been posting some nonsense here.
You mean outside of the 51 calls and 16 goals?
Your orginial argument centered on not wanting players that aren't good enough for Barcelona. I could care less if Robben was sold for the reasons you alluded to. The point is RM sold him, and Bayern didn't think he wasn't good enough for them because he left Madrid. I gurantee Munich are not regretful for making that investment.
50.3 matches as a starter?
This.
I don't understand all the negativity. He'd be a great addition if we could get him.
just because i dont agree with you doesnt mean its nonsense. there are plenty of players that can play as a right forward who are better than pedro. just because an average player is available for a reasonable price of 22 mil and it sounds like a steal everyone thinks its a great deal. why sign someone when there are clearly better players available.
Nope, in total.
However, he was a starter for them for a few years. Heck, he even started a lot when Sanchez was there. This season he started less but there is no shame on that when you're fighting for a position with Neymar, Messi and Suarez.
Still, he managed playing a lot for Barca.
Anyway, which United player (bar De Gea) would start for Barca?
Of course. But saying 'why did he never make it to the national team ona regular basis? why is he not playing regularly for barca' is nonsense though. Or if you prefer, factually wrong.
Valencia would, every coaches seem to love him.
True!I think the problem is that people look at Pedro, and then Di Maria, and think it's a lose-lose if we get stuck with Pedro instead of Di Maria. People often forget that the reason Pedro worked so well for Pep's Barca was because he is an intelligent player who knows how to play in a system. I'll get stick for this, but Di Maria struggles when he isn't allowed a free roam. When it comes to playing within a system, which is what we have, Pedro is a better player. That's not to say that he's more talented or can change a game on his own like Di Maria, but his average consistency, tactical efficiency within a role and his work rate defensively are better.
People look far too much as the most immediate individual comparisons that they don't see the bigger picture..... that van Gaal considers the system the most important; those that fit the system automatically become the best player.
if you are comparing robben to pedro then is there a point in arguing with you? if tomorrow barca was selling messi due to a contract dispute i wouldnt say lets not sign a barca reject.
Nah, it doesn't always work like that. I mean Wesley Sneijder was technically not good enough for Madrid, but look at what he did for Internazionale. Might not be a 100% apt comparison, and Pedro has clearly regressed a bit over the past couple of seasons, but he might not be washed up just yet. Sometimes a change in scenery can provide a spark for players that have been there and done that at the highest level. More to the Pedro not being good enough for Barcelona bit, it's in no small part because of the competition, which comprises of :
1. A player who is arguably the greatest footballer ever.
2. A player who is considered to be the best (or atleast Top 3) #9 in the world.
3. A player who is arguably the best U-25 footballer in the world right now.
He won't face that kind of ridiculous, immovable wall at United for the next 2 to 3 seasons. Although I'm not entirely convinced Pedro is exactly what we need, at the very least he would represent an upgrade over Young, who I like by the way. So the question inevitably boils down to - will he be reasonably comfortable on the bench as a versatile option for the front three if he doesn't break into the starting XI, or Di Maria stays stays and performs well, or Mata is a better option, or we sign someone like a Bale/ Reus/ Griezmann next season ? and would Woodward mind parting with £22 million for his services ?
Don't think he'd fancy the rough and tumble of the PL at all. Bit of a poof really.
i think starting matches and crucial ones is the issue here. if he was good enough he would be starting for them. we need to sign players that are world beaters not someone who wants to leave becasue he isnt good enough to compete with the best. hes a back up player and he would be the same at united if we had a top class player like bale. the point is, just because hes available for 22 mil doesnt mean we dont sign someone like griezmann who is a better player and has way more to his game than pedro
No where in my post did I compare Robben and Pedro's talent, I was giving an example about the mindset of Bayern Munich. We must obviously rate Pedro differently because I would certainly buy for the price being quoted.
Lets sell all our players bar De Gea cause neither of them would be starting for Barca (well you can make an argument that Mata/Herrera/Schweinsteiger could start instead of Rakitic).
Btw, Alexis Sanchez wasn't good enough to start for Barca and was sold. Do you think that we shouldn't have gone for him cause he wasn't good enough for Barca?
If we get him I think it will be confirmation that LvG sees Depay as a striker
firstly thank you for arguing like a normal person. it seems like a rarity around here.
secondly, i dont think pedro would want to move somewhere only to be on the bench again.
thirdly, bale griezmann are the kind players we should be looking to buy. pedro would be a stop gap signing
its not like we have little cash available. so why not spend it on a top player, instead of spending it on someone who 'might' start.
His finishing is nowhere near as lethal as it once was. It's just good now, doesn't really make up for the deficiencies in his game.
no i genuinely think that had to do with his relationship with messi.
Exactly. Even Theo Walcott would have scored plenty in that role at Barcelona before his injury. Infact he already was for Arsenal in a similar sort of role.
Even in his best seasons he wasn't consistent. In 2010/11 him and David Villa had an entire 3 or 4 months of mediocre form from January onwards. He played great in the Champions League final at the end of that season and since then it's been patchy form at best.
He was brilliant in the 09/10 season and a good lot of 10/11. Average by a club of Barcelona's standards ever since.
If we get Pedro, our frontline could have insane finishing ability:
Pedro----------Mata---------Depay
----------------Rooney
Pedro----------Mata---------Depay
----------------Rooney
For me that's the important part; an average player for Barcelona is still a good player, like Sanchez showed.
thats precisely my point. its the price thats making people take notice. yes its a great price in todays market but why should we spend 22mil on him. instead save that cash and add another 20 and buy griezmann. hes twice the player and younger. robben was a starter all year round for real and they still sold him. so was snjeider. thats nuts and you expect that from madrid. they have a history of doing that. barca dont. barca wont be selling us a great player.
Alexis is a class above Pedro though. He also suffered with consistency problems but his performances for Chile (and Barça at times) showed how talented he was.
If he's even 80% of the player he was in 2011, he'd be an excellent buy. He would fit nicely into the first XI.
Alexis was quite good in his last season at Barca. His problem was more adaptation. He had already shown his class previously with Udinense and also for CHile and he was a class above sanchez.
Infact his spell at Barca could be somewhat mirrored with Di maria and us so far. (Though Di Maria was overrated by our fans especially out wide, he also is a class above Pedro.)
And a class below still gives you a good player, imo.
Griezmann would be a great get, yes but I highly doubt AM are going to sell. The club's ambition has grown under Simeone. In theory there are better players than Pedro who could be a replacement for Di Maria, but how realistically attainable are they? Guys, like Reus, Greizmann, Bale, etc would be great additions but I don't see it. Pedro although not on a world class level isn't a bad option at all for the wing.
Yep, Pedro is a good player I agree. £22m is a fair price for him too.
Just not convinced he's good enough to be a regular starter for you.
They were both at the same level.
If anyone had a choice between griezmann bale reus and pedro, not one person would pick pedro. so why pick him now???Just because hes available for an attractive price? we have the money. lets go out and buy the quality player we need. pedro would be on the subs bench.
The question for me is why do we even need a isn't bad option if we can't get the great options ? Situation isn't that desperate on the wings atleast.
We do not have the choice between Griezmann, Bale, Reus and Pedro. Griezmann is the only one available and it is for 65m€.
Yeah AM selling griezmann is a long shot, but getting Reus isnt. Reus is as realistic as pedro. he would cost significantly more though. but that shouldnt matter to us
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