Paulo Dybala

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So, according to you this summer we should have bought:

1. Top quality right back (check)
2. Top quality center back (check)
3. Right winger (we've signed potential there - check. You may not fancy him, but I'm sure you weren't happy with Chicharito as well. That was a similar signing in all respects. Unknown, young, filling in an important gap. Lots of potential.)
4. Central Midfielder to replace Herrera / Matic. (Looks like Ole is relying on McTomminay to make the step up, and hoping for one more signing).

To summarize, your frustration is that the club has filled the most gaping holes first, and is relying on a few academy products. Do you see the irony of this? We are not winning the league this season, and if you don't want to give potential a chance now, I don't see when you will. The club have definitely done enough good business to get into the top 4 (I would include keeping Pogba at the club as a massive plus on this one as well).

I like this, I agree! We are trying to plug the holes with what is out there and available to us.

As for the bold part, well that remains to be seen still. I would say they have tried to do enough, not definitely have.
 
People still wanting Dybala... The contrast between the fans in the ground, who have always been level headed and very supportive, compared to the nutjob FM/ FIFA playing social media fans we have (which to be fair, all top clubs have) is incredible.

We've already had a very good window, let's get one more midfielder and it will have been a great window. Those who disagree, look up the word "slow" to understand better the phrase "slow rebuild."

So far £150m net spend, and I expect it to get up to £200m. We still need to restructure the recruitment system, but judging by our handling of the Dybala situation, we have certainly learned from mistakes. I suspect Ole will have had a big part to play in this. Even if he ends up failing as manager, if he can change the culture at the club, he will have left a legacy that will make the job much easier for the next bloke then it has been for him.

Touch wood he succeeds in his own right, as he certainly deserves it.
It's been a 6 year rebuild. This is the longest rebuild since Liverpool in the 90s
 
I get the feeling that we are valuing him above what he is actually worth. We are entitled to do that I guess but I think everyone realises Pogba would like to leave.

And what is his actual worth in this day an age? So far the only two clubs that has shown and interest are Real and Juve, and both seems to be done spending for a while. Look at Real's offer, barely £70m in total and that includes a player we don't want. Juve are trying to flog off their second best player and replace him with a worse player just to balance their books (and of course adjust to new manager's tactics). If we somehow end up selling Pogba for less than £120m, then I bet there would be a shitstorm coming the club's way.
 
So, according to you this summer we should have bought:

1. Top quality right back (check)
2. Top quality center back (check)
3. Right winger (we've signed potential there - check. You may not fancy him, but I'm sure you weren't happy with Chicharito as well. That was a similar signing in all respects. Unknown, young, filling in an important gap. Lots of potential.)
4. Central Midfielder to replace Herrera / Matic. (Looks like Ole is relying on McTomminay to make the step up, and hoping for one more signing).

To summarize, your frustration is that the club has filled the most gaping holes first, and is relying on a few academy products. Do you see the irony of this? We are not winning the league this season, and if you don't want to give potential a chance now, I don't see when you will. The club have definitely done enough good business to get into the top 4 (I would include keeping Pogba at the club as a massive plus on this one as well).
1. First of all James is left winger that could play on the right and not his primarily position. Second he's a youth player that would be eased in not a starter.
2. We can go in the season without a senior #9 if we sell Lukaku and if we don't buy a replacement, being unlikely considering how much time we have.
or 2b - go into the season with a player that was one foot out of the door as our senior striker.
3. Midfield was weakened and we didn't bring in any replacement.
4. We are still short in attack and #10 position considering it is how we are to play (4-2-3-1)
5. Maguire should've been bought last Summer for a much lower fee if it wasn't for Woodward.

So no, we haven't done well and it's another Woodward classic this transfer window. Wait we get desperate in the coming days to cap it off.
 
And what is his actual worth in this day an age? So far the only two clubs that has shown and interest are Real and Juve, and both seems to be done spending for a while. Look at Real's offer, barely £70m in total and that includes a player we don't want. Juve are trying to flog off their second best player and replace him with a worse player just to balance their books (and of course adjust to new manager's tactics). If we somehow end up selling Pogba for less than £120m, then I bet there would be a shitstorm coming the club's way.

We are probably asking for more than 120 million to begin with.
 
Juve has no oil money

They have put a bond of 200 million in the market some time ago

De Ligt, Rabiot, Ramsey are expensive.
They have to sell making capital gains

His performances last year were ridiculous, in his position they have Douglas Costa and Bernardeschi who are more useful

They will force him out at United or somewhere else

Agnelli family and their managers are really powerful, I wouldn’t want to have them as “enemy”
Bernedeschi is awesome, now that's one RW that would massively help. Anyway good luck to Dybala he's going to need it!
 
Club did set a crazy precedent with Sanchez, but Dybala thinking he's anything at the level of Sanchez (when Sanchez signed) is delusional. Sanchez was a proven top goal-scorer at EPL when he signed. Dybala is a "talent" that hasn't proven much and who had a horrible season last year. Not even close.
Dybala was the best player on a team that made the CL final just two years ago...
 
We are probably asking for more than 120 million to begin with.

Which we should, imo. So far, the reports are saying that while Pogba wants out, he acts a total professional and everyone loves him. There's no need at this point to work on his transfer away. Especially as the only interested parties doesn't have sufficient funds.
 
No, are you not aware of the image rights issue with Dybala? Dybala's image rights are owned by a third-party.

It was reported that, this was what was holding the deal up.

He has more Instagram followers than the club. I imagine Ed would have been very interested in the commercial possibilities of him.

It's not a big stretch to assume that this is why it has fell through.

We haven't had any problem splashing the cash before so why the big change all of a sudden? We have renewed Smalling, Jones, Young, Mata, can give Rashford & Martial 250k contracts but we're not willing to go all-in on Dybala?
I agree, it's mentioned in this site (where I have no idea if they know what they are talking about).

https://www.juvefc.com/dybala-image-rights-hindering-deal/
 
People still wanting Dybala... The contrast between the fans in the ground, who have always been level headed and very supportive, compared to the nutjob FM/ FIFA playing social media fans we have (which to be fair, all top clubs have) is incredible.

We've already had a very good window, let's get one more midfielder and it will have been a great window. Those who disagree, look up the word "slow" to understand better the phrase "slow rebuild."

So far £150m net spend, and I expect it to get up to £200m. We still need to restructure the recruitment system, but judging by our handling of the Dybala situation, we have certainly learned from mistakes. I suspect Ole will have had a big part to play in this. Even if he ends up failing as manager, if he can change the culture at the club, he will have left a legacy that will make the job much easier for the next bloke then it has been for him.

Touch wood he succeeds in his own right, as he certainly deserves it.
:lol: It's been a 6 year rebuild so far. That, and a "slow" rebuild is not a magic formula for success. If anything, the evidence points to the contrary these days.
 
:lol: It's been a 6 year rebuild so far. That, and a "slow" rebuild is not a magic formula for success. If anything, the evidence points to the contrary these days.

There’s no such thing as a slow rebuild. It’s all bullshit but people choose to bury their heads in the sand. This should have been a must signing, whatever the cost.
 
Happy if we're not getting Dybala, he didn't strike me as the kind of player we're needing, personally. He's good but as an Italian forward who has only ever played in Italy, I feel like it might have been a bit of a Di Maria situation if he'd come in. Also, we have young forwards for days, why stunt their opportunities? Lukaku seems at least as good as Dybala, although a different player it must be said.
 
Happy if we're not getting Dybala, he didn't strike me as the kind of player we're needing, personally. He's good but as an Italian forward who has only ever played in Italy, I feel like it might have been a bit of a Di Maria situation if he'd come in. Also, we have young forwards for days, why stunt their opportunities? Lukaku seems at least as good as Dybala, although a different player it must be said.
huh?
 
Dunno why people compare Pogba and Dybala, one wants to leave, other doesnt even want to come first.
 
Happy if we're not getting Dybala, he didn't strike me as the kind of player we're needing, personally. He's good but as an Italian forward who has only ever played in Italy, I feel like it might have been a bit of a Di Maria situation if he'd come in. Also, we have young forwards for days, why stunt their opportunities? Lukaku seems at least as good as Dybala, although a different player it must be said.
Argentinian forward... but ok. I don't understand the mention to Di Maria, Dybala has a different work attitude. I just think he didn't want to leave but you never know how a club like Juventus reacts when they want you out.
 
Dunno why people compare Pogba and Dybala, one wants to leave, other doesnt even want to come first.
Even though I'm disappointed how this Dybala deal turned out, it's Pogba's silence that worries me the most. There's no doubt that Pogba could have convinced Dybala to come here if he wanted to, and I believed that with his mate here Paul would sign a new contract. Why didn't PP do anything? Does he know he's leaving soon?
 
Even though I'm disappointed how this Dybala deal turned out, it's Pogba's silence that worries me the most. There's no doubt that Pogba could have convinced Dybala to come here if he wanted to, and I believed that with his mate here Paul would sign a new contract. Why didn't PP do anything? Does he know he's leaving soon?

Had the same thoughts myself.
Agent P has certainly been involved in previous transfers, I'd hoped that Dybala would fancy teaming up with Pogba again...:rolleyes:
 
Oof, can't believe I forgot Dybala is Argentinian, I totally knew that too. Derp on my part.

I still didn't seem him as the player we needed though.
 
God let this thread die. It was unrealistic from the get go! Manchester United do not shop at the best shops anymore, attracting James, Maguire and WanBissaka from the likes of Palace, Leicester and Swansea is one thing, but getting Dybala to leave beautiful Italy, champions league football and Juventus who guarantee trophies year after year is unrealistic to say the least.

And thinking Pogba would be able to attract his mate :lol:

Pogba wants off the sinking ship badly, he is hardly going to be inviting his mate.

Let’s move on to realistic targets, Maddison would be great for us.
 
God let this thread die. It was unrealistic from the get go! Manchester United do not shop at the best shops anymore, attracting James, Maguire and WanBissaka from the likes of Palace, Leicester and Swansea is one thing, but getting Dybala to leave beautiful Italy, champions league football and Juventus who guarantee trophies year after year is unrealistic to say the least.

And thinking Pogba would be able to attract his mate :lol:

Pogba wants off the sinking ship badly, he is hardly going to be inviting his mate.

Let’s move on to realistic targets, Maddison would be great for us.
Well... that's a grim take.
 
Even though I'm disappointed how this Dybala deal turned out, it's Pogba's silence that worries me the most. There's no doubt that Pogba could have convinced Dybala to come here if he wanted to, and I believed that with his mate here Paul would sign a new contract. Why didn't PP do anything? Does he know he's leaving soon?
He can know all he feckin wants. If we sell him we crash and burn.
 
God let this thread die. It was unrealistic from the get go! Manchester United do not shop at the best shops anymore, attracting James, Maguire and WanBissaka from the likes of Palace, Leicester and Swansea is one thing, but getting Dybala to leave beautiful Italy, champions league football and Juventus who guarantee trophies year after year is unrealistic to say the least.

And thinking Pogba would be able to attract his mate :lol:

Pogba wants off the sinking ship badly, he is hardly going to be inviting his mate.

Let’s move on to realistic targets, Maddison would be great for us.
Best shops!? We can't even persuade Sports Direct to sell us a long staff right now !
 
God let this thread die. It was unrealistic from the get go! Manchester United do not shop at the best shops anymore, attracting James, Maguire and WanBissaka from the likes of Palace, Leicester and Swansea is one thing, but getting Dybala to leave beautiful Italy, champions league football and Juventus who guarantee trophies year after year is unrealistic to say the least.

And thinking Pogba would be able to attract his mate :lol:

Pogba wants off the sinking ship badly, he is hardly going to be inviting his mate.

Let’s move on to realistic targets, Maddison would be great for us.

Agree with almost everything but the bolded part is not realistic at all, Dybala was more realistic than Maddison is at this point. With Maguire sold there is no chance Leicester sell another of their stars in this window, they are already basically at zero net spend having covered the cost of their spending with the Maguire sale.
 
Well... that's a grim take.
Grim but it’s currently reality, no point burying our heads in the sand. It’s highly likely we will be fighting for Europa League places (of course I hope I am wrong) but that is what I expect. Our defence should be a whole lot better but we do not create or score enough, and our greatest scorer and assist maker wants out!
 
Grim but it’s currently reality, no point burying our heads in the sand. It’s highly likely we will be fighting for Europa League places (of course I hope I am wrong) but that is what I expect. Our defence should be a whole lot better but we do not create or score enough, and our greatest scorer and assist maker wants out!

Lukaku leaving is a plus not a loss. Our bad run started when he came back into the team. He’s a bad player.
 
Unless the Juventus board and Sarri are doing some nasty stuff, I don't think this one is happening now.

I'm not holding my breath... I just find it weird that the people who broke out the story have nothing to share
 
I'm not holding my breath... I just find it weird that the people who broke out the story have nothing to share

Yeah pretty much all the main guys are very quiet. It’s weird. You’d think that if Dybala had rejected us his side would have briefed that to these guys who would have reported it.
 
People saying "it's been a 6 year long rebuild so far."

What planet are you living on? It's been a 6 year dismantle job, caused by recruiting the wrong type of player. The rebuild starts this summer, and people think begging and chucking money at a player who doesn't want to come is the way to get back to the top. It's incredible.

Our defence now looks sorted for the next five years or more. Next on to the midfield...

Thinking you can undo 6 years of bad decisions and recruitment in one window is unbelievable, but typical of those who spend more time on videogames than watching the real thing...

We'll finish the window having spend around £200m. That's more than enough tonbridge the small gap up to fourth.
 
People saying "it's been a 6 year long rebuild so far."

What planet are you living on? It's been a 6 year dismantle job, caused by recruiting the wrong type of player. The rebuild starts this summer, and people think begging and chucking money at a player who doesn't want to come is the way to get back to the top. It's incredible.

Our defence now looks sorted for the next five years or more. Next on to the midfield...

Thinking you can undo 6 years of bad decisions and recruitment in one window is unbelievable, but typical of those who spend more time on videogames than watching the real thing...

We'll finish the window having spend around £200m. That's more than enough tonbridge the small gap up to fourth.
The rebuild starts every time we get a new manager until he fails and the rebuild starts again. Moyes was building OT brick by brick last time I heard
 
So, according to you this summer we should have bought:

1. Top quality right back (check)
2. Top quality center back (check)
3. Right winger (we've signed potential there - check. You may not fancy him, but I'm sure you weren't happy with Chicharito as well. That was a similar signing in all respects. Unknown, young, filling in an important gap. Lots of potential.)
4. Central Midfielder to replace Herrera / Matic. (Looks like Ole is relying on McTomminay to make the step up, and hoping for one more signing).

To summarize, your frustration is that the club has filled the most gaping holes first, and is relying on a few academy products. Do you see the irony of this? We are not winning the league this season, and if you don't want to give potential a chance now, I don't see when you will. The club have definitely done enough good business to get into the top 4 (I would include keeping Pogba at the club as a massive plus on this one as well).

I disagree with the first sentence... we should of had a Center Back last summer or this winter. That was painfully obvious long ago. So this bit of business if catch up work from my perspective.

Now I am fine with 1 & 3. Again an issue at #4. Ole said up to six players were going to be moved out. Yet we keep Andreas and lose Herrera?

Honestly we screwed ourselves there. So if we play a 4-2-3-1 we have 2 CM spots. Right now Pogba and McT start for my money. I am fine with that. My issue is anything happens to Pogba we are screwed. Matic is on his last season (I hope). Fred is still an unknown. Andreas I do not rate, and Garner will just get time here and there. Yes I want to see Garnet get time, but not against top six and I certainly do not think a wise plan is to rely on Academy prospects in big games. Those expectations can backfire just as much as they can launch a career. So really we have no real options here, just a prayer our starters stay healthy all season.

Since we lost Fellaini *AND* Herrera my expectation was we would get one stellar CM to replace them. Since we are supposedly one of the biggest teams in the world, that seems incredibly underwhelming. That is my issue.
 
People saying "it's been a 6 year long rebuild so far."

What planet are you living on? It's been a 6 year dismantle job, caused by recruiting the wrong type of player. The rebuild starts this summer, and people think begging and chucking money at a player who doesn't want to come is the way to get back to the top. It's incredible.

Our defence now looks sorted for the next five years or more. Next on to the midfield...

Thinking you can undo 6 years of bad decisions and recruitment in one window is unbelievable, but typical of those who spend more time on videogames than watching the real thing...

We'll finish the window having spend around £200m. That's more than enough tonbridge the small gap up to fourth.
Yet more sense spoken, thank you!
 
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