Paulo Dybala

[Lee565]

Tbh looking at the two scenario's of having a player in dybala that doesn't want to be here vs lukaku staying when not only does he want to be here but also doesn't fit in the managers way of playing either then I would still be going for the dybala deal and give him the wages he wants because at least we will get use out of him for at least this season and he will be far easier to sell on next summer for at the very least 70 million, where as if lukaku stays at the club his value will probably drop to 50 million at best with very few top sides entertaining the idea of signing him.

 

[NewGlory]

Or maybe he is convinced he can force his way into the starting 11 and can play big role in them winning CL.

Ha! That just proves @RedCurry's words about Dybala being unrealistic, because there is no chance Juve is winning CL this year and Dybala was straight out told by Sarri that he is not wanted at Juve so what is this "force his way into starting 11" based on? A great season last year? Except he had a horrible season last year.

Dybala messed up in making this choice and we are better off without him. That doesn't mean we don't need a plan B, but as far as Dybala is concerned - good riddance!

 

[Majima]

Sanchez the last one fortunately

Convenient excuse.

To no-ones surprise, the deal fell through because of the image rights. As we all know too well, the commercial interests trump the football side so once that was clear, the club wasn't interested anymore.

'Let me join your circus of a club in a different country, no CL to offer & inexperienced manager without wanting to be heavily compensated.' Pull the other one...

Anything else is just PR spin.

 

[Pexbo]

Convenient excuse.

To no-ones surprise, the deal fell through because of the image rights. As we all know too well, the commercial interests trump the football side so once that was clear, the club wasn't interested anymore.

'Let me join your circus of a club in a different country, no CL to offer & inexperienced manager without wanting to be heavily compensated.' Pull the other one...

Anything else is just PR spin.

Thanks for the insight. Can you tell me what the board are having for lunch today?

 

[NewGlory]

The club set a stupid precedent with Sanchez, why wouldn't other footballers of his skill level (which is absolute gash now) demand the same or higher wages? Club basically self imploded by doing that.

Club did set a crazy precedent with Sanchez, but Dybala thinking he's anything at the level of Sanchez (when Sanchez signed) is delusional. Sanchez was a proven top goal-scorer at EPL when he signed. Dybala is a "talent" that hasn't proven much and who had a horrible season last year. Not even close.

 

[Marcelinho87]

Club did set a crazy precedent with Sanchez, but Dybala thinking he's anything at the level of Sanchez (when Sanchez signed) is delusional. Sanchez was a proven top goal-scorer at EPL when he signed. Dybala is a "talent" that hasn't proven much and who had a horrible season last year. Not even close.

Sanchez was on the decline way before we signed him, Woodward had stars in his eyes and didn't see the reality of the situation.

 

[Tel074]

Club did set a crazy precedent with Sanchez, but Dybala thinking he's anything at the level of Sanchez (when Sanchez signed) is delusional. Sanchez was a proven top goal-scorer at EPL when he signed. Dybala is a "talent" that hasn't proven much and who had a horrible season last year. Not even close.

I can't agree with this . Sanchez had a shocking season the one before United signed him he didn't even score 10 goals that season. Yes he was injured a fair bit but he wasn't the superstar you are trying to say he was . Dybala and Sanchez probably have similar talents so Dybala in my opinion is likely to ask for Sanchez type wages . Especially when he didnt really want to leave Italy

 

[Ban]

Convenient excuse.

To no-ones surprise, the deal fell through because of the image rights. As we all know too well, the commercial interests trump the football side so once that was clear, the club wasn't interested anymore.

'Let me join your circus of a club in a different country, no CL to offer & inexperienced manager without wanting to be heavily compensated.' Pull the other one...

Anything else is just PR spin.

You're good at pulling stuff out of thin air.

 

[TRUERED89]

This is not a salary request but an extortion

Obviously deliberate, So Juve cant push him out!

 

[TRUERED89]

There's no way that can be after tax.
£18m before tax is 350K a week.......after tax we're talking about over 600K per week

Don't you mean 600k before tax, and 350k after tax?? How can you have more money after being taxed?

 

[PSingh]

Seems like jostling for the three concerned parties.

I’m still hopeful that the deal will go through, the ball is in Dybala’s court and I reckon Juve will strongly push him towards accepting United’s offer.

Which is why I think there’s some differences in coverage from the English and Italian press. I imagine the motive of United’s brief to the press is to pressure Dybala to lower his demands and I think Juves brief is again to reiterate they want him to leave.

 

[BluesJr]

It’s certainly interesting that the Italian media haven’t really said much since last night. Has Agresti even said anything?

 

[roonster09]

Ha! That just proves @RedCurry's words about Dybala being unrealistic, because there is no chance Juve is winning CL this year and Dybala was straight out told by Sarri that he is not wanted at Juve so what is this "force his way into starting 11" based on? A great season last year? Except he had a horrible season last year.

Dybala messed up in making this choice and we are better off without him. That doesn't mean we don't need a plan B, but as far as Dybala is concerned - good riddance!

Sarri didn't tell he is not wanted, Juventus management did. Also if players don't have confidence and back themselves, they won't be playing professional football.

Why there is no chance of winning CL?

Also not sure what are you on about RedCurry's words about Dybala and all that. The post he replied to was straightforward, so was the post I replied to.

 

[roonster09]

Club did set a crazy precedent with Sanchez, but Dybala thinking he's anything at the level of Sanchez (when Sanchez signed) is delusional. Sanchez was a proven top goal-scorer at EPL when he signed. Dybala is a "talent" that hasn't proven much and who had a horrible season last year. Not even close.

Sanchez had poor half a season when he signed massive contract. Dybala is not just a talent, he is superb player who had 1 average season.

 

[GlastonSpur]

First thing first, stop talking about embarrassment. There is no one as embarrassing as you on caf and possibly on any football related forums. But that's for another thread.

I said "It's other way around. If Spurs was in Serie A, they would be battling with likes of Fiorentina without huge TV money."

You are in this position thanks to TV money, that is credit to the league. If you were in Serie A or other league, your revenue and everything would be at lot lower and the chances are you would be in Fiorentina's position who have won as many trophies as Spurs historically. Not exactly in their 16th place but in general how Fiorentina and other teams in that tier operates.

What a ridiculous statement.

The fact is, with the income that will come from our new stadium, we are now less reliant on TV money than most other Prem clubs … all the more so given our very low wage bill as a proportion of total income. So are you now going to remove TV money income from every Prem club and then come up with some silly calculation as to where they'd finish in Serie A?

The other fact is this: the Prem commands such huge TV money because it is the most competitive top-tier league in the world. So if the likes of Fiorentina don't get so much TV money then it's because they - and Juve - play in a 2nd tier, one-horse league that few people much care who wins.

 

[Jimmy_Bond]

People still wanting Dybala... The contrast between the fans in the ground, who have always been level headed and very supportive, compared to the nutjob FM/ FIFA playing social media fans we have (which to be fair, all top clubs have) is incredible.

We've already had a very good window, let's get one more midfielder and it will have been a great window. Those who disagree, look up the word "slow" to understand better the phrase "slow rebuild."

So far £150m net spend, and I expect it to get up to £200m. We still need to restructure the recruitment system, but judging by our handling of the Dybala situation, we have certainly learned from mistakes. I suspect Ole will have had a big part to play in this. Even if he ends up failing as manager, if he can change the culture at the club, he will have left a legacy that will make the job much easier for the next bloke then it has been for him.

Touch wood he succeeds in his own right, as he certainly deserves it.

 

[Volumiza]

People still wanting Dybala... The contrast between the fans in the ground, who have always been level headed and very supportive, compared to the nutjob FM/ FIFA playing social media fans we have (which to be fair, all top clubs have) is incredible.

We've already had a very good window, let's get one more midfielder and it will have been a great window. Those who disagree, look up the word "slow" to understand better the phrase "slow rebuild."

So far £150m net spend, and I expect it to get up to £200m. We still need to restructure the recruitment system, but judging by our handling of the Dybala situation, we have certainly learned from mistakes. I suspect Ole will have had a big part to play in this. Even if he ends up failing as manager, if he can change the culture at the club, he will have left a legacy that will make the job much easier for the next bloke then it has been for him.

Touch wood he succeeds in his own right, as he certainly deserves it.

Great post Jimmy_Bond! I think we've done some good (if expensive) business this window and if we could add one more decent body in MF it would be a good summer.

Agreed on Ole's (hopeful) influence on the club, it had veered well off course and it does feel more 'Utd', certainly with Maguire, AWB and James as our signings, who money aside, have all been very astute and forward thinking transfers.

 

[Terminator]

People still wanting Dybala... The contrast between the fans in the ground, who have always been level headed and very supportive, compared to the nutjob FM/ FIFA playing social media fans we have (which to be fair, all top clubs have) is incredible.

We've already had a very good window, let's get one more midfielder and it will have been a great window. Those who disagree, look up the word "slow" to understand better the phrase "slow rebuild."

So far £150m net spend, and I expect it to get up to £200m. We still need to restructure the recruitment system, but judging by our handling of the Dybala situation, we have certainly learned from mistakes. I suspect Ole will have had a big part to play in this. Even if he ends up failing as manager, if he can change the culture at the club, he will have left a legacy that will make the job much easier for the next bloke then it has been for him.

Touch wood he succeeds in his own right, as he certainly deserves it.

We have been needing a RW for 5+ years, Haven't replaced Herrera yet and Matic looks like he is done, None of the deadwood is out of the club, There is no DOF yet, we've been on a never ending rebuild for 5 years now and there is no finish line in sight.

 

[roonster09]

What a ridiculous statement.

The fact is, with the income that will come from our new stadium, we are now less reliant on TV money than most other Prem clubs … all the more so given our very low wage bill as a proportion of total income. So are you now going to remove TV money income from every Prem club and then come up with some silly calculation as to where they'd finish in Serie A?

The other fact is this: the Prem commands such huge TV money because it is the most competitive top-tier league in the world. So if the likes of Fiorentina don't get so much TV money then it's because they - and Juve - play in a 2nd tier, one-horse league that few people much care who wins.

Well it was not me who came up with ridiculous statements like where Juventus will finish in PL (and then shitting on their work, rebuilding from scratch after they were relegated to Serie B), you just can't take team and place in other league. You have to take out the benefits playing in the league too.

Well TV money is huge not because it's the most competitive league in the world, it's huge because it's the best marketed league in the world.

Bold part shows how ignorant you are. FYI, Juventus pisses all over Spurs in everything, history, trophies, elite level or whatever you call. You had your best period in 50-60 years and won feck all. Also sounds like a typical fan boy with head firmly in the arse. Reading your posts, now I understand why other league fans shit on PL fan boys.

Win feck all and use league strength excuse. When Serie A was by far the best league in the world and still the best league to ever exist when it comes to strength, Juventus won many league titles. You had Leicester winning PL and Spurs winning feck all.

 

[redshaw]

Spurs did recently get a big shirt sponsor for £40 million a year. Juve have one with Jeep for £15 million a year although you'd imagine a better figure in 2022 when it ends.

Seems Dybala thread is now the Stealth Spurs Glaston. Time for a lock probably.

 

[::sonny::]

 

[rotherham_red]

People still wanting Dybala... The contrast between the fans in the ground, who have always been level headed and very supportive, compared to the nutjob FM/ FIFA playing social media fans we have (which to be fair, all top clubs have) is incredible.

We've already had a very good window, let's get one more midfielder and it will have been a great window. Those who disagree, look up the word "slow" to understand better the phrase "slow rebuild."

So far £150m net spend, and I expect it to get up to £200m. We still need to restructure the recruitment system, but judging by our handling of the Dybala situation, we have certainly learned from mistakes. I suspect Ole will have had a big part to play in this. Even if he ends up failing as manager, if he can change the culture at the club, he will have left a legacy that will make the job much easier for the next bloke then it has been for him.

Touch wood he succeeds in his own right, as he certainly deserves it.

Spot the feck on.

 

[Majima]

Thanks for the insight. Can you tell me what the board are having for lunch today?

You're good at pulling stuff out of thin air.

No, are you not aware of the image rights issue with Dybala? Dybala's image rights are owned by a third-party.

It was reported that, this was what was holding the deal up.

He has more Instagram followers than the club. I imagine Ed would have been very interested in the commercial possibilities of him.

It's not a big stretch to assume that this is why it has fell through.

We haven't had any problem splashing the cash before so why the big change all of a sudden? We have renewed Smalling, Jones, Young, Mata, can give Rashford & Martial 250k contracts but we're not willing to go all-in on Dybala?

 

[wr8_utd]

The worst bit about this potentially falling through is being stuck with Lukaku for another year.

 

[FujiVice]

The caf is verbal diarrhoea. Half the shit on here is done without thinking. All this "embarrassment" stuff is hilarious, really. Embarrassing to who? I've watched my club win everything apart from the Johnston's Paint trophy over the years. This club has enhanced my life. I dont need the likes of Di Maria, Dybala and Pogba to validate my pride in the club.

 

[ThinkTank@Cafe]

The caf is verbal diarrhoea. Half the shit on here is done without thinking. All this "embarrassment" stuff is hilarious, really. Embarrassing to who? I've watched my club win everything apart from the Johnston's Paint trophy over the years. This club has enhanced my life. I dont need the likes of Di Maria, Dybala and Pogba to validate my pride in the club.

Great post.

 

[haram]

Cant talk about hypocrisy when you say you want players that want to play for the club yet keep Pogba.

 

[TRUERED89]

Google translate:
Because despite the great offer Manchester United has not yet accepted it seems clear not from today

I've got no idea what it means.

WTF is that supposed to mean?

 

[TsuWave]

Poor example IMO, just because it happened with Di Maria doesn't mean it will happen everytime. He was unprofessional and stopped trying.

Dybala and Di Maria come from the same part of the world so obviously they are the same person

 

[AJ10]

Cant talk about hypocrisy when you say you want players that want to play for the club yet keep Pogba.

How many bids have United rejected for him?

Invalid point until united reject a good bid for him.

 

[FlawlessThaw]

Cant talk about hypocrisy when you say you want players that want to play for the club yet keep Pogba.

Yeah you can, in fact you can say it is a learning of it.

I'm sure the club would sell Pogba if a decent offer for him came in. Just because the player wants to leave, doesn't mean you should shortchange yourself.

 

[Shiva87]

We have been needing a RW for 5+ years, Haven't replaced Herrera yet and Matic looks like he is done, None of the deadwood is out of the club, There is no DOF yet, we've been on a never ending rebuild for 5 years now and there is no finish line in sight.

So, according to you this summer we should have bought:

1. Top quality right back (check)
2. Top quality center back (check)
3. Right winger (we've signed potential there - check. You may not fancy him, but I'm sure you weren't happy with Chicharito as well. That was a similar signing in all respects. Unknown, young, filling in an important gap. Lots of potential.)
4. Central Midfielder to replace Herrera / Matic. (Looks like Ole is relying on McTomminay to make the step up, and hoping for one more signing).

To summarize, your frustration is that the club has filled the most gaping holes first, and is relying on a few academy products. Do you see the irony of this? We are not winning the league this season, and if you don't want to give potential a chance now, I don't see when you will. The club have definitely done enough good business to get into the top 4 (I would include keeping Pogba at the club as a massive plus on this one as well).

 

[BarstoolProphet]

Cant talk about hypocrisy when you say you want players that want to play for the club yet keep Pogba.

Apples and oranges. We want to keep Pogba because noone are willing to meet our valuation, should we just give him away for peanuts?

 

[Reiver]

It's hard to know what to make of this one. Certainly the club have made mistakes in the transfer market in the past but it's a bit much to look at the Di Maria situation and extrapolate that for every future Argentine or South American signing.
I'd loved to have seen him here, I really rate him, as most of us would with a big name player. Most of us will never know the exact reasons why it didn't happen and just have to accept it.
Before the transfer window most would have said swapping Lukaku for Dybala was pure fantasy. To seemingly get so close is frustrating to say the least.
The club may have had genuine reasons to pull the plug on the move. On this occasion I'm willing to give Ed and Judge the benefit of the doubt and I'm no big fan of either.
Let's move on and get some midfield reinforcements.

 

[Hernandez - BFA]

I don’t care if Juve still want him gone - he clearly isn’t hellbent on joining us so sack this one off.

 

[Harry190]

Maybe he can go to Madrid for James + 28 million. A bit much for him, but acceptable.

 

[haram]

Apples and oranges. We want to keep Pogba because noone are willing to meet our valuation, should we just give him away for peanuts?

I get the feeling that we are valuing him above what he is actually worth. We are entitled to do that I guess but I think everyone realises Pogba would like to leave.

 

[TRUERED89]

He doesnt want to come for footballing reasons, that's fine, move on. We dont want any more mercenaries here.

Would rather have Douglas Costa anyway, just what we need, a dribbling winger who can create.

Our priority however should be a midfielder, i would go get Maddison, fits exactly what we need.

Look how difficult it was getting Maguire over the line, good luck with Leicester letting us have another one of their main players with no time to replace him! he'd probably cost more than Maguire too..

 

[Cnaiür urs Skiötha]

We need some creative players and while I would also prefer someone who shows more passion to play for us we need to make the best of our actual position and try to get whoever is realistically available and ticks the right boxes.
However, I agree that we should not pay ridiculous wages to convince players.

 

[::sonny::]

WTF is that supposed to mean?

Juve has no oil money

They have put a bond of 200 million in the market some time ago

De Ligt, Rabiot, Ramsey are expensive.
They have to sell making capital gains

His performances last year were ridiculous, in his position they have Douglas Costa and Bernardeschi who are more useful

They will force him out at United or somewhere else

Agnelli family and their managers are really powerful, I wouldn’t want to have them as “enemy”