Paulo Dybala

MadMike said:
What’s it gotta do with Pogba? They play in different positions. They’ve also played together at Juve in the 15-16 season and it worked out fine.
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Fair point. What system were they playing at the time do you know? Was it a diamond with two up top? I can't really remember.

Seems to me that Dybala is best as a second striker rather than a number 9. With that in mind, I don't think having Pogba & Ndidi (for example) behind him would be secure enough, Pogba doesn't work hard enough to pull that off.

The only system which functions well with the two of them for me would be a diamond, with an anchoring midfielder and a hard-working Herrera type in there to give the team legs. If I remember rightly Juve played this system with Marchiso / Pirlo at the time?

I don't think the diamond is the best option for us going forward these days, even if it did bring the best out of these two.

So ayye, for me its very much either/or.
 
Cheekiey said:
He and Paul were very close at Juve, 'Maybeee' if Poggy stays it could sway Dybala a little further our way. Thinking out loud...
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Firstly this is Man Utd and not Pogba and friends FC. We made the same mistake and got stuck with Lukaku. All of Pogba's friends at United are shit at the moment including Rashford, Lingard and Martial. Dybala didn't live up to his potential and we shouldn't be taking a huge risk on someone who Juve are trying to get rid off to buy Felix. We should be targeting Felix instead. And I really hope that Pogba leaves this summer, only then we can actually build a team than a first 11 filled with individuals playing for themselves.
 
beingshe7don said:
Firstly this is Man Utd and not Pogba and friends FC. We made the same mistake and got stuck with Lukaku. All of Pogba's friends at United are shit at the moment including Rashford, Lingard and Martial. Dybala didn't live up to his potential and we shouldn't be taking a huge risk on someone who Juve are trying to get rid off to buy Felix. We should be targeting Felix instead. And I really hope that Pogba leaves this summer, only then we can actually build a team than a first 11 filled with individuals playing for themselves.
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Because you've clearly seen loads of Felix to assume he's a better fit than Dybala... Please, 1 off season for Dybala and everyone forgets what a talent he is?

Edit: Who sayings it's Pogba FC, the evidence is there that they can play well together, only stating the fact Pogba can be a pull for players who he's played with in the past. Dybala has even said he'd like to play with Pogba again one day...
 
Cheekiey said:
Because you've clearly seen loads of Felix to assume he's a better fit than Dybala... Please, 1 off season for Dybala and everyone forgets what a talent he is?

Edit: Who sayings it's Pogba FC, the evidence is there that they can play well together, only stating the fact Pogba can be a pull for players who he's played with in the past. Dybala has even said he'd like to play with Pogba again one day...
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Dybala has not been consistent to begin with. His best season was last season where he scored 22 goals but before that he had 11 goals in 31 appearances and this season has been even worse, 5 goals to show. We'll have to pay Juve around 60m and not to mention huge wages for him. Just because Pogba and Dybala played well at Juve does not mean they could replicate the same at OT.

There is a reason why Juve want to sell Dybala and replace him with Felix. Just saying... scouts at Juve have seen enough of Felix....
 
beingshe7don said:
Dybala has not been consistent to begin with. His best season was last season where he scored 22 goals but before that he had 11 goals in 31 appearances and this season has been even worse, 5 goals to show. We'll have to pay Juve around 60m and not to mention huge wages for him. Just because Pogba and Dybala played well at Juve does not mean they could replicate the same at OT.

There is a reason why Juve want to sell Dybala and replace him with Felix. Just saying... scouts at Juve have seen enough of Felix....
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What are you on about ?

25 goals and 7 assists in 38 starts last season.

He was injured on and off season before last but still netted 16 goals and 7 assists in 38 starts.

The season before that he scored 21 and assisted 9 in 34 starts.

The underrating of him in this thread is amazing. £60m for Dybala would be outright stealing. He's a class player.
 
The Nani said:
What are you on about ?

25 goals and 7 assists in 38 starts last season.

He was injured on and off season before last but still netted 16 goals and 7 assists in 38 starts.

The season before that he scored 21 and assisted 9 in 34 starts.

The underrating of him in this thread is amazing. £60m for Dybala would be outright stealing. He's a class player.
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This.. I'd still take him at £80m, he's the type of player you build a team around. He'd instantly become our best finisher in the team also be another creative outlet which we are crying out for! We have Pogba for creativity AND end product at the moment, Dybala would share that mantel.

If anyone needs proof of there link up play, creativity or goals see below. (long vid but some of these are ridiculous)
 
Pretty much all of my Juve friends wouldn’t really mind seeing him go and although I rate Dybala and I’ve seen quite a bit of his game over last seasons it speaks volumes to me. Extremely talented but inconsistent, a luxury player and a bit of a bottler on quite a few occasions. Don’t forget his numbers with Juve are also rather inflated as he plays in one team league. Yet for all his weaknesses and shortcomings, if he even considered joining us at this point I would welcome him with open arms - still a great player and I always dreamt of seeing him in United shirt.
 
He's another Recoba. Sublimely talented but never really stepping up to the plate.
 
Get him!

His off-the-ball movements, goal anticipation and creativity are all good. I'm sure his understanding with Pogba is similarly good. And of course his striking and goal scoring skills. We're crying out for a second big creative player, especially if Pogba is heavily marked or out injured/suspended. There he is.

If he's available that is.

I think we have to bear in mind he can be a frustrating player as well, similar to Pogba, and also a bit of a diva too, again like Pogba, just a bit.
:lol: So just get ready for those if he joined us.
 
I think we should be wary of signing such players. The chances of him flopping at United are really high as it's a very unorganized team and he is a bit of a luxury player.

We need players who are on the up and will fit well into our system. Dybala is a player who will do well in a team like PSG where there are already many world class players to support him.
 
Remember when we were a great team and had a lot of great players? The only times we let go of our great players is if

1:they disrupted the dressing room
2:fell out with the boss

We never ever willingly let go of our best players. That applies for Juventus, barca, Madrid and Bayern. If they are letting go of him it's because he clearly isn't as good as people are making him out to be. I am not saying he is not a good player, all I am saying is he is not that good. Also he wouldn't solve our most problematic areas unless we are ditching wingers completely
 
flappyjay said:
Remember when we were a great team and had a lot of great players? The only times we let go of our great players is if

1:they disrupted the dressing room
2:fell out with the boss

We never ever willingly let go of our best players. That applies for Juventus, barca, Madrid and Bayern. If they are letting go of him it's because he clearly isn't as good as people are making him out to be. I am not saying he is not a good player, all I am saying is he is not that good. Also he wouldn't solve our most problematic areas unless we are ditching wingers completely
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Ahem! Ronaldo?
 
If we bring Dybala in, he'd instantly become our best attacker. Depending on the fee he would be a great addition.
 
Where’s his best position, and if he were to play that role with us how might our attack look. Pretend he’s our only signing, for arguments sake
 
SER19 said:
Where’s his best position, and if he were to play that role with us how might our attack look. Pretend he’s our only signing, for arguments sake
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His best position is a No.10. Pogba will have to play in a 2-man midfield to accommodate him
 
Zed 101 said:
Ahem! Ronaldo?
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Willingly, I said willingly. Sir alex had to ask Ronlado to stay for 08/09. From these reports it looks like Juventus are willing to listen offers. We didn't want to sell at all .
 
He will not work in PL. Let's stop with these Latin players, they all have a love for Spanish clubs and hot weather. Won't be a lasting signing. Besides, his competitive edge (close control and dribbling in tight areas) would be nullified with cheeky elbows to his back in PL.
 
AgentP said:
His best position is a No.10. Pogba will have to play in a 2-man midfield to accommodate him
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Another possibility: Pogba as LCM/LAM in an asymmetric 4-4-2, with Dybala as 2nd striker & and a more winger-like player on the right. Similar to France, but with Pogba in Matuidi's position. Juventus played like this at times when both were there together, iirc.
 
Jacob said:
He will not work in PL. Let's stop with these Latin players, they all have a love for Spanish clubs and hot weather. Won't be a lasting signing. Besides, his competitive edge (close control and dribbling in tight areas) would be nullified with cheeky elbows to his back in PL.
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"I'm allergic to bs..." - Will Smith

I don't see David Silva, Bernardo, Aguero, Salah, Mane, Lucas Moura even Mata struggling...
 
Cheekiey said:
"I'm allergic to bs..." - Will Smith

I don't see David Silva, Bernardo, Aguero, Salah, Mane, Lucas Moura even Mata struggling...
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Half of them are not Latin and none of them rely on the same wiggling Dybala excels at.

Aguero is simply a miracle. God knows why he's never seen in media, lasted so many years in UK and performed at a high level throughout.
 
Cheekiey said:
"I'm allergic to bs..." - Will Smith

I don't see David Silva, Bernardo, Aguero, Salah, Mane, Lucas Moura even Mata struggling...
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Its the great premiership physicality myth

We all complain how soft the freekicks are these days, yet it all changes when a small technically superior player is linked
 
We are obviously in no position to be turning our noses up at players like Dybala, but that doesn't run both ways - if he leaves Juve, he'll have many better options than United.

Hopefully the club focuses on realistic targets who actually want to come here.
 
He doesn't run enough so he'll be hated with us. We need more workrate.
 
I really don't see this guy making much difference for us. Seems too lightweight.

Edit: I also haven't watched too much of him and am open to correction on this point though.
 
Jacob said:
He will not work in PL. Let's stop with these Latin players, they all have a love for Spanish clubs and hot weather. Won't be a lasting signing. Besides, his competitive edge (close control and dribbling in tight areas) would be nullified with cheeky elbows to his back in PL.
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You guys realize that spanish and portuguese players actually don't fit in the "latino" stereotype? Just saying.
 
The Nani said:
What are you on about ?

25 goals and 7 assists in 38 starts last season.

He was injured on and off season before last but still netted 16 goals and 7 assists in 38 starts.

The season before that he scored 21 and assisted 9 in 34 starts.

The underrating of him in this thread is amazing. £60m for Dybala would be outright stealing. He's a class player.
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Firstly, Dybala won't come here and even if we did, it's going to be like you said 60-70m and top of that we'll have to pay him around 250k in wages. It's not worth it.... he plays in a Juve team and isn't a regular starter. If Juve don't want him and are looking to replace him with Felix, why are we looking for castaways from other clubs? We should be going for the best out there. And if he's injury prone, that's another reason for not to get him here. We need a pacy RW, I don't think Dybala's best position is at RW. He's not going to provide you with width.... His best position is out playing as a second striker or a No. 10. I don't think he'll be able to handle the pace of the PL and would be a like replacement for Mata who doesn't fit into our system to begin with.
 
beingshe7don said:
Firstly, Dybala won't come here and even if we did, it's going to be like you said 60-70m and top of that we'll have to pay him around 250k in wages. It's not worth it.... he plays in a Juve team and isn't a regular starter. If Juve don't want him and are looking to replace him with Felix, why are we looking for castaways from other clubs? We should be going for the best out there. And if he's injury prone, that's another reason for not to get him here. We need a pacy RW, I don't think Dybala's best position is at RW. He's not going to provide you with width.... His best position is out playing as a second striker or a No. 10. I don't think he'll be able to handle the pace of the PL and would be a like replacement for Mata who doesn't fit into our system to begin with.
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There are a huge number of reasons a player might be a castaway. It doesn't always equal to the player not being good enough.
I remember two Dutch guys who used to be castaways at Real Madrid. I always said United should have bought Sneijder, but imagine if we got him and Robben. It was definitely within our possibilities back then.
Don't rule out a player just because he doesn't fit his team's current plans or system.
 
devilish said:
He doesn't run enough so he'll be hated with us. We need more workrate.
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we've always had players esp attacking players not exactly noted for their workrate. Cantona and Ronaldo are 2 that immediately spring to mind. Scholes in his later career as well. The difference is they were so good, we legislated for that by incorporating hard workers around them. The problem we have now and why workrate or lack of, is so apparent, is at any one time, we could have Matic, Mata, Lukaku, Martial and Pogba in our mid/attack. We've more players with lack of effort then we do with workrate. Like anything it's all about balance, and we severely need to address that.
 
beingshe7don said:
Firstly, Dybala won't come here and even if we did, it's going to be like you said 60-70m and top of that we'll have to pay him around 250k in wages. It's not worth it.... he plays in a Juve team and isn't a regular starter. If Juve don't want him and are looking to replace him with Felix, why are we looking for castaways from other clubs? We should be going for the best out there. And if he's injury prone, that's another reason for not to get him here. We need a pacy RW, I don't think Dybala's best position is at RW. He's not going to provide you with width.... His best position is out playing as a second striker or a No. 10. I don't think he'll be able to handle the pace of the PL and would be a like replacement for Mata who doesn't fit into our system to begin with.
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  • I agree we should only go for him if he’s available cheap with reasonable wages.
  • Castaways from other clubs doesn’t mean the player isn’t good enough, it can just be not suitable with the system. We should be going for someone who can do the job not the best but doesn’t suit the manager playing style.
  • If Ole will ever approve this signing, he’s likely to play in False 9 which Ole has used Mata or Lingard in that role.
 
Has Bayern written all over him in my opinion. Number 10’s seem to be struggling lately, do teams still play 4231? Coutinho, dybala, Isco, James have all fallen off slightly, seems like if you can’t adapt to our wide or as an 8, there’s no room for you.
 
Renegade said:
Has Bayern written all over him in my opinion. Number 10’s seem to be struggling lately, do teams still play 4231? Coutinho, dybala, Isco, James have all fallen off slightly, seems like if you can’t adapt to our wide or as an 8, there’s no room for you.
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I think his case is similar but not exactly the same of those other players because Dybala is a natural goal scorer. So if you manage to give him a free role close to the box he will score a lot. I think among the top clubs United is the best option to give him this kind of plataform.
 
Charles Miller said:
I think his case is similar but not exactly the same of those other players because Dybala is a natural goal scorer. So if you manage to give him a free role close to the box he will score a lot. I think among the top clubs United is the best option to give him this kind of plataform.
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What would you say has been stopping him this season? 5 goals is a disgraceful return for a natural goalscorer playing in the best team in the league.
 
Renegade said:
What would you say has been stopping him this season? 5 goals is a disgraceful return for a natural goalscorer playing in the best team in the league.
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He had some injures. Also i saw his heat map from the last 3 seasons. I can't remember where i read it, i'll try to find and post here, but you can see there how year after year he is playing deeper and deeper. I'm not claiming its easy to fit that kind of player in the modern football. If you are a team that is winning titles you have no reason to take the risk. But United can and should use flexible tactics. Take a look how Pochettino manages Lucas Moura when he needs to cover for Son or Kane. Can do the same with Dybala.
 
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