Real will likely sign one huge money forward, but they have been linked to a fair few.
If Dybala is a top target for us I believe we have a chance.
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Real will likely sign one huge money forward, but they have been linked to a fair few.
If Dybala is a top target for us I believe we have a chance.
That would be unreal team, with Dybala playing as #10 and Martial and Lukaku playing as strikers.
I like the front 3, but would prefer a 4-3-3 perhaps for greater midfield control. But I’d certainly like the front 3 narrow like that, with width from behind.
I personally can't see him being great fit for us unless we ship Lukaku, again that screams to me lack of vision of what are we trying to achieve.
That's incredibly unbalanced line-up we would get overrun in midfield by good teams - also time and time again it showed that our CBs are all over the place and easy to drag out of positions in 3CB system. It requires a great deal of coaching and good understanding of of this formation for it to work, which I don't think Jose has.
I don't get the hype. Think he'll be another Di Maria.
Plus he's not gonna fit into this Morinho team. Another Woodward/Image signing?
We also already have a Dybala player in Gomez.
Plus he's not gonna fit into this Morinho team. Another Woodward/Image signing?
We also already have a Dybala player in Gomez.
Our midfield is Matic and Pogba, which is same as now. Don't think we will be controlling midfield against good teams with Jose in charge, that's not his way of playing at all.
It's same set up we played against Arsenal, with Dybala in place of Lingard.
I’d replace Jones and hopefully Valencia but honestly that line up..... ooooft
Controlling and being in control are two different things when you're being overrun left and right. At no point against Arsenal we were in control I would say.
If we want him, he should only be played as a false 9 imo but with Lukaku it ain't happening.
Gotta love those "Get oppo's star player for some cash plus the useless dross we seek to get rid off"-rumors. Haven't seen one in a while
Brilliant player but we should be looking to strengthen on what we have - he would bring us more dilemmas
Gotta love those "Get oppo's star player for some cash plus the useless dross we seek to get rid off"-rumors. Haven't seen one in a while
Ever get the feeling that some folks think that cheating on Championship Manager can be replicated in real life...?
City do.
Bit wary of this link (putting plausibility to the side) because Dybala is not your run-of-the-mill Mourinho attacking midfielder and needs tactical/positional leeway to thrive, and one thing was very evident from Pogba's transfer - we didn't have a cogent plan for the record transfer in mind (same goes for Lukaku - who frequently looks out of his elements as regards his remit). No use spending eye-watering amounts of money on all these Galáctico-lite players if they're not going to play in their best roles, or at least the roles they have a proven record in. It's impossible to recreate Juventus' front 6 from last season at United, but we do have a few pieces (most notably Pogba) for a Palermo/Juventus style 352 with Dybala as the trequarista:
That doesn't leave a lot of room for Lukaku/Martial/Rashford, though - since only one of them can partner Dybala at a time. And you might argue that Lukaku in particular is least suited to playing with someone like him. Could also play as a Mertens or Firmino type forward flanked by a creator and a scorer in a fluid front 3 - the dynamics in midfield would also bring the best out of Pogba in the sort of role Hamšík has at Napoli, but that's a non-starter under José.
That doesn't leave a lot of room for Lukaku/Martial/Rashford, though - since only one of them can partner Dybala at a time. And you might argue that Lukaku in particular is least suited to playing with someone like him. Could also play as a Mertens or Firmino type forward flanked by a creator and a scorer in a fluid front 3 - the dynamics in midfield would also bring the best out of Pogba in the sort of role Hamšík has at Napoli, but that's a non-starter under José.
Likeliest: Pulled out of the journalists arse.
Less likely but still more likely: Journalist got wrong end of stick and it's Alex Sandro in the deal rather than Paul W.
Less likely but still more likely: Journalist got wrong end of stick and it's Alex Sandro in the deal rather than Paul W.
Very good post. I laugh at these hypothetical line-ups with him in the side, since there's so much wrong with them - it's just doesn't work that way. We either ditch Lukaku and partner one of Martial/Rashford with him and have 3CM behind them or play him as a false 9 in 433. Otherwise it would be a huge waste of talent and money.Bit wary of this link (putting plausibility to the side) because Dybala is not your run-of-the-mill Mourinho attacking midfielder and needs tactical/positional leeway to thrive, and one thing was very evident from Pogba's transfer - we didn't have a cogent plan for the record transfer in mind (same goes for Lukaku - who frequently looks out of his elements as regards his remit). No use spending eye-watering amounts of money on all these Galáctico-lite players if they're not going to play in their best roles, or at least the roles they have a proven record in. It's impossible to recreate Juventus' front 6 from last season at United, but we do have a few pieces (most notably Pogba) for a Palermo/Juventus style 352 with Dybala as the trequarista:
That doesn't leave a lot of room for Lukaku/Martial/Rashford, though - since only one of them can partner Dybala at a time. And you might argue that Lukaku in particular is least suited to playing with someone like him. Could also play as a Mertens or Firmino type forward flanked by a creator and a scorer in a fluid front 3 - the dynamics in midfield would also bring the best out of Pogba in the sort of role Hamšík has at Napoli, but that's a non-starter under José.
As much as I would love this transfer, i will start doubting our strategy if this comes at the expense of other areas.
We clearly need 2 midfielders,1 full back and a winger.
If Perrera comes back, he can fill in for midfielder but we still need significant investment in other areas.
Do we have that much amount of money? I don't know. Will have to wait and see.
We clearly need 2 midfielders,1 full back and a winger.
If Perrera comes back, he can fill in for midfielder but we still need significant investment in other areas.
Do we have that much amount of money? I don't know. Will have to wait and see.
You talking about Angel Gomes?
Pereira and Fosu-Mensah need to be integrated next season, and should save us money.
I get your sentiment though, I have long said we need a plan more than we need stars.
Dybala isn't exactly a difficult player to incorporate. He's played plenty of times as a second striker or as part of a front three and is adept in either situation.
A winger should probably take precedence at this point but signing a high quality forward like Dybala certainly wouldn't do us any harm.
A winger should probably take precedence at this point but signing a high quality forward like Dybala certainly wouldn't do us any harm.
It won't happen in January but I don't think the World Cup has any bearing, he's not even starting for Juve and isn't guarenteed to go to Russia let alone play.
Dybala is a better fit with Lukaku than Griezmann though, he's more skilfull and more creative, Griezmann needs the #9 to hold the ball up and bring him in, which is the weakest part of Lukaku's game.
He plays off Higuain at Juve, he could do the same with Lukaku, I would personally go a different route but it could work under Jose's somewhat old fashioned ideals.
Dybala is guaranteed to go to Russia without a doubt unless he gets injured. He won't play though, unless Messi is injured. Sampaoli sees Dybala as a natural substitution for Messi.
Guys, don't believe the rumours, it's media bullshit - if you really think Juve will ditch their best and most marketable player halfway the season, which they gave the №10 6 months ago you are out of your mind. Juventus doesn't sell in the winter = i can't think of a single instane we've sold a star player in the winter.
I personally think the height issue is a bit over exaggerated when it comes to the Premier League, I mean, David Silva has been great for City. Just one example.
We need better technical players in the mould of Dybala, I can't see him not being a success if he joined a Premier League club.
We have enough giants anyway.
Bit wary of this link (putting plausibility to the side) because Dybala is not your run-of-the-mill Mourinho attacking midfielder and needs tactical/positional leeway to thrive, and one thing was very evident from Pogba's transfer - we didn't have a cogent plan for the record transfer in mind (same goes for Lukaku - who frequently looks out of his elements as regards his remit). No use spending eye-watering amounts of money on all these Galáctico-lite players if they're not going to play in their best roles, or at least the roles they have a proven record in. It's impossible to recreate Juventus' front 6 from last season at United, but we do have a few pieces (most notably Pogba) for a Palermo/Juventus style 352 with Dybala as the trequarista:
That doesn't leave a lot of room for Lukaku/Martial/Rashford, though - since only one of them can partner Dybala at a time. And you might argue that Lukaku in particular is least suited to playing with someone like him. Could also play as a Mertens or Firmino type forward flanked by a creator and a scorer in a fluid front 3 - the dynamics in midfield would also bring the best out of Pogba in the sort of role Hamšík has at Napoli, but that's a non-starter under José.
Which is a problem since it's Lukuku being most likely to partner him, as there is no way Mourinho would bench Lukaku so soon after buying him for such a massive fee and he never really shown so much trust in Martial/Rashford as main strikers. That would practically push our best young talents on the bench.
You don't see Dybala being effective in 3-5-2 behind Lukaku and Martial/Rashford? Or playing behind a striker in 4-2-3-1? Because if Ozil could play that role in the latter set up under Mourinho at Real, can't see how Dybala couldn't. Unless you actually think Matic - Pogba is an issue then?
Don't believe one bit about this happening now, thinking more about a possibility in the summer.
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I agree. Dybala is the same height of Keane. I was referring to strength and attitude not inches
He's pretty gritty, like Aguero or Silva, I don't think that's an issue, the problem is that if we buy him or any #10/SS then the Pogba in a midfield 2 issue will continue to hamper the balance of this team. Dybala could play off the right of a front 3 though if we moved to a proper 4-3-3, he has operated off there for Palermo and Juve and often drifts there for Juve even when starting as the #10 as he likes the angle it gives him to come in on his left and either link up with the #9 or shoot.
Yes.
Come on. He's an exceptional young talent, but he's recently 17. He is not a reason you don't go and buy one of the top performing attackers in Europe.
He can play there, yes, more so than Griezmann - who was also represented as a central attacking midfielder in a myriad setups for some reason despite hitting his peak as a SS for Atlético, and Dybala could be effective, but it probably won't bring out the best in him - and when you spend upwards of £120 million (the £70 million bid quoted in some of the links won't be enough to sign him), you need more than simply effective, IMO - you need to do everything in your power as a club to ensure that the player performs at an optimal level. Dybala used to be a conventional playmaker or an enganche as a youngster, but went up a level when he was used as a False 9 at Palermo and second forward at Juventus - while briefly playing as an attacking midfielder under Allegri and going through a bit of lull. It's pretty clear that he's at his best when he's close to goal in a free-ish role (reminiscent of someone like Del Piero - who thrived as a trequarista sandwiched between a striker - Inzaghi/Boksić, and a classic 10 - Zidane, so putting him behind two center forwards as an attacking conductor won't be the best setup.
Depends on the 4231 - since no two 4231 setups are the same. In a Juventus style scheme where almost everyone is a veteran and tactically polished and the team can transition to a 442/424 with Dybala alongside Higuaín flanked by two, at times, workmanlike wide attackers in Mandzukić and Cuardado - yes. But not at United. We have a lot of young players who aren't very detailed regarding their remit, are quite profligate, and don't have a great level of tactical nous (especially in terms of positioning and disorienting opposition markers) - which is not even their fault - they just aren't seasoned enough. Plus, I don't trust the base of Pogba and Matić to lay a solid foundation for Dybala because he will have the tendency to get closer to the box - which will leave holes behind for the opposition to exploit - doubly so with Pogba - who's vertically oriented and not the most perceptive as regards tracking back. United needs a different profile of 10, unless we make some alterations in wider areas to reinforce the defensive shape to alleviate some of the concerns and Pogba becomes even more positionally disciplined - which raises another conundrum - should you inhibit Pogba?
Özil is a fundamentally different type of player, though. He is the stereotypical laconic architect - more of a Riquelme type player - a facilitator who caters to those around him by patiently picking passes. Whereas Dybala is a a dynamic hybrid scorer/creator in terms of how his interprets the 10 role as an expert dribbler and secondarily a passer - and the team needs to cater to him and others should sacrifice a bit of their game because he's that good when he's in full flow. Unless we make some drastic changes, for this United team Özil is a better tactical fit because he can cater to Lukaku/Martial/Rashford as a somewhat static 10 and won't eat into their goal-scoring figures. For the '99 team, Dybala would be brilliant in the Yorke role behind Cole - much more so than Özil, because he could dovetail with Andy and the midfielders behind/alongside him would have no problems adjusting their games a wee bit to accommodate him.
One Major problem with that story juventus want around 140 million for him. No way in hell we going to spend that kind of money on one player. For that to happen would need to result in change of ownership at Utd.
Cheers @Invictus, that was better read than pretty much anything football related I come across in today's papers.
So, we would essentially pay up an enormous amount for a player who we can't ideally accommodate with our current players or set up if we decide to go for him in the summer.
The idea would probably be to make AM of him on a regular basis, or putting him behind Lukaku and change the way our wingers operate (buy at least another one). What I do feel is that he even has the skillset to become that kind of player (AM). He is pretty quick on the ball, isn't easy to bully him off, has a solid work-rate and most importantly besides being excellent dribbler has an eye for a deadly pass. I'm pretty fond of him because from the point of individual talent and football ability you won't find many better players today.
But, the problem remains as you already said. Another big money signing with not a clear vision how to get the best out of him, or to better put it, to puy up and than pray that he can develop into something he didn't do so far on the highest level which is definitely not the smartest idea when spending more than £100 million.
If the question is Dybala or Griezmann, I would still definitely go for the former. A probable scenario could very well be the third option which you mentioned and that's Ozil on a free.
So, we would essentially pay up an enormous amount for a player who we can't ideally accommodate with our current players or set up if we decide to go for him in the summer.
The idea would probably be to make AM of him on a regular basis, or putting him behind Lukaku and change the way our wingers operate (buy at least another one). What I do feel is that he even has the skillset to become that kind of player (AM). He is pretty quick on the ball, isn't easy to bully him off, has a solid work-rate and most importantly besides being excellent dribbler has an eye for a deadly pass. I'm pretty fond of him because from the point of individual talent and football ability you won't find many better players today.
But, the problem remains as you already said. Another big money signing with not a clear vision how to get the best out of him, or to better put it, to puy up and than pray that he can develop into something he didn't do so far on the highest level which is definitely not the smartest idea when spending more than £100 million.
If the question is Dybala or Griezmann, I would still definitely go for the former. A probable scenario could very well be the third option which you mentioned and that's Ozil on a free.
2 goals from him today 
The second was sublime, sign him up Woody!
The second was sublime, sign him up Woody!
Which probably means they won't sell him.2 goals from him today
The second was sublime, sign him up Woody!
2 goals from him today
The second was sublime, sign him up Woody!
Why would Dybala go from Italy to the current United-side? Not so sure even Pogba would help us out, he does not look like he is enjoying playing for Man United anymore. And who can blame him? We looked like a promoted side today, no good players able to create anything.
He is on 14 goals in 18 games this season, performance was never really a problem, so I am not sure todays contribution does change anything between him and Allegri.
Money and the hope of a new exciting project under a new manager maybe. Can't see much more to be honest especially if we have to compete with the likes of Real or PSG, but we can only try.
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60 million
How can you guys still get so excited about signing an attacker when you’ve seen what’s happened to the others we’ve signed in the last few years?
Agreed, I just cant see Jose getting the best out of him, even Pogba looks restrained under him.
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