Paul Scholes | 2012/13 Performances

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evra said:
He just needs to stop tackling, one more late one and he is off.
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It's not good enough though, we cannot afford passengers. It happened against Tottenham, and if it happens again against Chelsea and arsenal we will get destroyed.
 
Today clearly showed that if someone is assigned to man mark him tightly he is rendered almost useless. Maybe it was just a bad day at the office but Scholes needs space to play his game and stoke did an excellent job denying him exactly that.
 
I can see why we played him today though. Give the players who were away for WCQ a bit of a break. Quite sure he won't start against Chelsea.
 
Nice to see he's already one yellow card away from suspension.

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jem said:
What's up with him? Why wasn't he even in the squad?
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Ferguson: "With Scholes, for the last few weeks I have been resting him, looking to freshen him up a bit. I'm just taking care of an old man, that's all!"
 
Maciek said:
Nice to see he's already one yellow card away from suspension.

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I wouldn't be suprised if he just picks up a yellow prior to a game that he and Fergie knows he won't play in.
 
Possibly the worst I've ever seen him play. fecking awful.

Ando and Clev offer so much more these days. Lovely ball for the Hernandez goal though, he owed the team that today.
 
Fair play to him for helping to kick start the revival. We all thought he was looking well off the pace at the time.

But he had a shocker by his standards. These high tempo games with plenty of running in midfield probably don't suit him any more. Especially I agree in a 2 man midfield. He has quality on the ball but these days he's a bit more susceptible to losing possession when they pressure him constantly.
 
Freak said:
Stop playing him in a midfield 2! Seriously how fecking hard is it to see that it just does not work anymore!.
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And then we'll see "United without wingers is not United" posts.
 
Cracking pass for Hernandez, he looked well off the pace though. We need to be smarter using him, feck knows why he didn't play against Braga in Giggs' role.
 
I thought he made a few errors which is understandable as he's sat out a few games now and got exposed on the counter as you'd expect but the majority of the game he played well. His job and Carricks is to make sure we dominate the ball and get it to the front 4 in good areas and he did exactly that. It's not his fault that the wingers did nothing for most the game or that RVP and Rooney weren't on the same wavelength.

A lot of people say that he just passes it wide, but what options are there? Valencia is pretty much glued to the right hand side, he's not going anywhere and Young might come inside, but not always and he doesn't make many darting runs behind. Hernandez came on, made a run of the shoulder and Scholes picked it out. If there's movement Scholes can work with it, but of our wingers only really Nani offers a varied threat from wide and then if the two central strikers don't link up well it reduces our options.
 
Wingers being in diabolical form didnt help him but both Ando and Clev should be ahead of him in the pecking order now. A Carrick Scholes CM pairing with our wingers in this kind of form is not going to work.
 
He was poor no arguments. But he helped get us back into the game.

He needs to be in a 3 away from home. He is good enough to be accomadated
 
He didn't play that badly, it is just the system that we play when he is in the team, and in that formation. It is predictable as hell and Villa's game plan was designed to exploit it. They let us have the ball and when it inevitably ended up at Valencia's feet they had two men snuffing out his crosses, which were appalling when they actually were delivered into the box. They proceeded to counter attack us, on a few occasions, we saw our centre midfielders huffing and puffing to get back as Villa headed towards our goal.
 
Maybe leaving him out completely for four consecutive games for no particular reason was why he played the way he did. Was natural that he looked a bit off the pace.
 
Even with our wingers in form I just don't think having a midfielder whose only job is to receive it and curl it out to them is viable any more. Honestly, Rooney does that as consistently as Scholes these days anyway.
 
kps88 said:
Maybe leaving him out completely for four consecutive for no particular reason was why he played the way he did. Was natural that he looked a bit off the pace.
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I would think the reason was that we play better with Anderson or Cleverley in there, as they are much more mobile. In my opinion, he should be fourth choice in midfield now, behind Carrick, Anderson and Cleverley. He's still a fantastic passer as he showed today but he is a liability defensively and our whole team is way to static with him in the team.
 
Brightonian said:
Even with our wingers in form I just don't think having a midfielder whose only job is to receive it and curl it out to them is viable any more. Honestly, Rooney does that as consistently as Scholes these days anyway.
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That's not his only job, he contributes more than that. Atleast be fair.
 
Fergus' son said:
That's not his only job, he contributes more than that. Atleast be fair.
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Today, he actually nullified even that plus side of his game due to taking an absolute age before releasing the ball.

The point of switching the ball out wide is create space for the winger to do something. If you show every man on the pitch where you're going to play it for 4 or 5 touches then pings it out, the winger has about half a second to simultaneously control the ball and flick it past the full back, or else he's flattened.

Apart from his pass for Hernandez, every part of his game was atrocious today. It's just not acceptable with that level of performance if you're gonna play for United. If Anderson had played like that, he would've been fecking sold.
 
People saying he should never start again are getting carried away. Today was just a case of him being off the pace because he hasn't played in ages; and even then he could have easily won us the game if Valencia was in form. He's still more than capable of running games for us.
 
marjen said:
Today, he actually nullified even that plus side of his game due to taking an absolute age before releasing the ball.

The point of switching the ball out wide is create space for the winger to do something. If you show every man on the pitch where you're going to play it for 4 or 5 touches then pings it out, the winger has about half a second to simultaneously control the ball and flick it past the full back, or else he's flattened.

Apart from his pass for Hernandez, every part of his game was atrocious today. It's just not acceptable with that level of performance if you're gonna play for United. If Anderson had played like that, he would've been fecking sold.
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I'm not sure I'll be able to convince you otherwise but there are some massive exaggerations in that post.
 
kps88 said:
People saying he should never start again are getting carried away. Today was just a case of him being off the pace because he hasn't played in ages; and even then he could have easily won us the game if Valencia was in form. He's still more than capable of running games for us.
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He needs to at least look like he's vaguely trying to do anything other than act as a cone whenever another team gets the ball. Particularly if you're the one who just passed them the fecking thing.

He can't run shit against any half-decent team in a two-man midfield anymore. It's apparent. Today was the worst I've seen him play ever, I'm quite sure.
 
kps88 said:
People saying he should never start again are getting carried away. Today was just a case of him being off the pace because he hasn't played in ages; and even then he could have easily won us the game if Valencia was in form. He's still more than capable of running games for us.
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Yeah, I thought he looked rusty more than anything, nothing as damning as it is being made out.
 
Scholes, at this stage of his career, is a bit of a luxury player. Technically superb obviously, but he leaves us with a soft center because he just isn't mobile enough anymore. I would really only play him in a three at this point. As part of a two man system, we are just inviting trouble.

I find it rather alarming that this mistake is getting repeated over and over again. It's a constant source of ire on the cafe and beyond, so it's perplexing in the extreme that the coaching team aren't drawing the same conclusions.
 
Did anyone catch the time when Vlaar basically walked the ball past him while he stood there doing nothing, leaving Villa in a 3 v 2-situation when we actually were numerously superior to begin with? That was unacceptable. I would haul him off at half-time for that alone.
 
marjen said:
Yeah. Problem is, I called it an hour before the game when I saw the lineup.

Against any remotely half-decent footballing side, we would've been hammered today.
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I can understand what you mean.

His last game was three weeks ago, we could expect him to play today, or next week, but Norwich away is a tricky game as well.

I thought he did well in the first half, but Young had a shocking game and Valencia couldn't cross the ball properly, we lacked any idea, but he wasn't that bad. Yes, he can do better, but I always smile when I see such posts after the final whistle when we really could expect a certain player to start the game.
 
Maciek said:
I can understand what you mean.

His last game was three weeks ago, we could expect him to play today, or next week, but Norwich away is a tricky game as well.

I thought he did well in the first half, but Young had a shocking game and Valencia couldn't cross the ball properly, we lacked any idea, but he wasn't that bad. Yes, he can do better, but I always smile when I see such posts after the final whistle when we really could expect a certain player to start the game.
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He didn't do well in the first half. He lost the ball unnecesarilly under no pressure a couple of times, he took an age on the ball, and he just didn't do the very basics off the ball. He was atrocious, and I think that's about the worst I've seen of him.

The pass to Hernandez was brilliant, but bar a couple of decent trademark Scholes-passes out to a Valencia marked by two players because Scholes took an eternity to decide to play it, he was horrendous. He really was.
 
This surely is his last season, I'd rather we didn't expose him in that type of game again. we are basically down to ten men when we don't have the ball and Scholes is on, he simply cannot get back and Carrick doesn't have the engine to run for two. The best way to use Scholes now is the way we used him against Southampton.
 
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