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Well, if the £76 million in one week is true, then it is also true that Zlatan shirt sales will pay for the Pogba transfer in a fortnight!

The headline is true, but true for Adidas, not for MUFC. They have been pushing the transfer all along. It just goes to show how much power all these brands have over football nowadays.
Which makes it false, to be fair. Unless Adidas are feeling particularly generous, and they donate their share to United, United won't see a cent of that. It's just terrible, lazy journalism.
 
Which makes it false, to be fair. Unless Adidas are feeling particularly generous, and they donate their share to United, United won't see a cent of that. It's just terrible, lazy journalism.

All these rag papers just take a bit of truth and twist it around in any way they want to, to sell more papers. And why not if it works?
 
No nor have I, my point was just that nobody dominates every game like the big two do. Pogba at the minute is more a flashes of brilliance kind of player, but so was the last player to break the transfer record. He certainly has the drive and the leadership, the dominance hasn't developed properly yet because of his age and the midfields he has been involved with. Juve's improvement over the season with him starting to understand he is now top dog though proves he can do it.

I don't think Messi or Ronaldo dominate every game. The usually produce moments of genius in every game and their club teams are built around them to allow them that luxury. In both cases those clubs have midfielders that dominate game after game. Players like Modric, Kroos, Iniesta and even Busquets are the key here. They are midfield players who dominate the midfield. What I don't understand about Pogba is he NEVER dominates midfield in the way these players do, yet he's being touted as a world class box-to-box midfielder. He is just not that kind of player.
 
Well I don't think he dominated midfield for France in any game in the euros. He had a very poor CL final against Barca two years ago I think. I must confess I didn't see Juve's QF this year so can't comment. But in Serie A in big games I would argue the likes of Marchisio or even Tevez when he was there had a bigger influence than Pogba. I know you'll tell me his is young but back to my core issue with him. He's being touted as a box-to-box midfielder. We need a box-to-box midfielder. Pogba will never be that kind of player in my view.
Well but he played a big part in them getting to the Euros. Fatigue could have been a factor towards the end of the tournament. Ronaldo had a very poor CL final against Barca. This past year he scored against Bayern in the away leg but his team still lost. You still havent given any evidence he actually goes missing in the Serie A. You havent seen enough of him or you're going by what the journalists say.
 
How many times have you actually watched him over the last 4 seasons? And please dont say "I've watched him enough" OR "I watch all their games".

Not a great deal - I watched him every week in U18s and 21s he was with us. Every time I've watched him since I see the same strengths and weaknesses as he had then. Of course he has improved but the qualities remain. He's at his best driving towards goal
 
Not a great deal - I watched him every week in U18s and 21s he was with us. Every time I've watched him since I see the same strengths and weaknesses as he had then. Of course he has improved but the qualities remain. He's at his best driving towards goal
Im so sorry. I meant to quote @Rory 7 on that post. Not yours.
 
Well but he played a big part in them getting to the Euros. Fatigue could have been a factor towards the end of the tournament. Ronaldo had a very poor CL final against Barca. This past year he scored against Bayern in the away leg but his team still lost. You still havent given any evidence he actually goes missing in the Serie A. You havent seen enough of him or you're going by what the journalists say.
Pogba missed most of the CL knockout games due to injury and was rushed back v Barca.
It's a ridiculous stretch to include that game.
 
Just put yourself in the shoes of a Juve fan for a moment, and you see your star player already signing shirts and balls of the team where he is going to next. Wouldn't you think it's disrespectful to your club? Wouldn't you be upset?

Juve could end the show right away by announcing early what everyone knows is a done deal (except its not done till its done). But then again, Adidas wants to squeeze the most awareness and clicks out of the impending deal, and Juve announcing early would ruin all that.
Pogba could well be signing all sorts of shirts right now. It's just that the United shirts and other merch are the ones that are spreading on twitter and instagram. We all want Pogba announced asap, but to say that Juve not announcing now is disrespectful is absurd, especially if you're basing this on what Pogba does or does not do.
 
IF... as some people are suggesting, we're holding off on announcing anything because today is all about Zlatan.. Then Juventus could be proper cnuts and announce it in the next hour.. Would overshadow all pre-match and post-match talk. Hell, it's probably all that the commentators would talk about during the match, too.
 
I don't think Messi or Ronaldo dominate every game. The usually produce moments of genius in every game and their club teams are built around them to allow them that luxury. In both cases those clubs have midfielders that dominate game after game. Players like Modric, Kroos, Iniesta and even Busquets are the key here. They are midfield players who dominate the midfield. What I don't understand about Pogba is he NEVER dominates midfield in the way these players do, yet he's being touted as a world class box-to-box midfielder. He is just not that kind of player.

Its more of a silent domination but it is real, you have to tie up so many resources trying to deal with them that in a sense they are dictating the game just by being on the pitch, then eventually after engineering a chance they can be the difference maker then.

Moddy kroos iniesta and busquets are all better than pogba, I agree they are the ones that control the tempo of the game but those are four of the best of the business and completely unavailable, when you look in to players after those four it really is a struggle to think of someone who can do that.
 
Which makes it false, to be fair. Unless Adidas are feeling particularly generous, and they donate their share to United, United won't see a cent of that. It's just terrible, lazy journalism.

They get like 10% and high sales numbers puts them in a strong position for negotiating future kit deals. So it is not true United won't see a cent of that.
 
If this thread gets to 1000 pages, I'll hang myself and post a pic in here.
 
Pogba could well be signing all sorts of shirts right now. It's just that the United shirts and other merch are the ones that are spreading on twitter and instagram. We all want Pogba announced asap, but to say that Juve not announcing now is disrespectful is absurd, especially if you're basing this on what Pogba does or does not do.

I am not saying that Juve not announcing is disrespectful. What a Juve fan might find disrespectful and annoying is Pogba signing MUFC shirts without the deal having been confirmed by either club.
 
Well but he played a big part in them getting to the Euros. Fatigue could have been a factor towards the end of the tournament. Ronaldo had a very poor CL final against Barca. This past year he scored against Bayern in the away leg but his team still lost. You still havent given any evidence he actually goes missing in the Serie A. You havent seen enough of him or you're going by what the journalists say.

France qualified as hosts for a start, so I won't have any 'evidence' of him going missing in those qualifiers as they never played any qualifiers!

I haven't got any evidence of him going missing? :lol:. What do you want me to do, post the hours and hours of Serie A games I've watched where he hardly had any influence? I've seen plenty of games mate. Plenty. And with all due respect most journalists are touting him as a box-to-box midfielder which I say he clearly isn't. What a car crash of a post :lol:.
 
Its more of a silent domination but it is real, you have to tie up so many resources trying to deal with them that in a sense they are dictating the game just by being on the pitch, then eventually after engineering a chance they can be the difference maker then.

Moddy kroos iniesta and busquets are all better than pogba, I agree they are the ones that control the tempo of the game but those are four of the best of the business and completely unavailable, when you look in to players after those four it really is a struggle to think of someone who can do that.

Yeah but the point is Pogba won't dictate the tempo of a game either.
 
France qualified as hosts for a start, so I won't have any 'evidence' of him going missing in those qualifiers as they never played any qualifiers!

If haven't got any evidence of him going missing? :lol:. What do you want me to do, post the hours and hours of Serie A games I've watched where he hardly had any influence? I've seen plenty of games mate. Plenty. And with all due respect most journalists are touting him as a box-to-box midfielder which I say he clearly isn't. What a car crash of a post :lol:.

You haven't added enough laughing emoticons in that post.
 
Yeah but the point is Pogba won't dictate the tempo of a game either.

I think he has been learning to in serie a this season is my point. Plus the premier league is different it really is, how many tempo dictators are there in the prem? I would say fabregas is a decent one and then that's it. Prem is a different style of football.
 
I think he has been learning to in serie a this season is my point. Plus the premier league is different it really is, how many tempo dictators are there in the prem? I would say fabregas is a decent one and then that's it. Prem is a different style of football.

Fabregas is yes. I was slated for rating him earlier in the thread so be careful
 
I think he has been learning to in serie a this season is my point. Plus the premier league is different it really is, how many tempo dictators are there in the prem? I would say fabregas is a decent one and then that's it. Prem is a different style of football.

Premiership is just counter attacking, and who gets tired first.

The Premiership isn't a better league, the quality isn't better, just the teams are closer in terms of Quality. (The top handful of players don't play in the EPL).

I think that's a reason why United dominated under SAF, like you said a tempo player and a player that controls a game. United were lucky to have Paul Scholes for his career and he was a large reason why the team was so successful for so long.

It's another reason why losing out on Toni Kroos was another brainfart moment by the board.
 
Fellow muppets,

calm yourselves,

way too many subliminal messages, suprised there not being picked up!

Adidas said:
BLAH BLAH BLAH.
Let the talkers talk. The best focus on being first.

The keyword being 'first'

Now go and watch the video again and keep your eyes and brain open

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRkJxMHBKwo

Cant embed remove the space after www

lol

Muppets if you dont get it will write a full breakdown when I have time

:)
OK, here goes

1/ addidasfootball tweets
addidasfootball said:
BLAH BLAH BLAH.
Let the talkers talk. The best focus on being first.
Source: https://www.redcafe.net/threads/paul-pogba-we-havent-signed-him-yet.417567/page-833#post-19588158

The best focus on being first

They are telling us to focus on 'first'

2/ Pogba first club after leaving Le Havre was us

3/ In the first section of the adidas video, we continually see 'blah blah' branded on the advert at 0:54 seconds the focus turn to Pogba who scores a goal. This is the point we move to the second section of the video, this section now focus's on first or 1st and of course as the focal point Pogba is responsible for the first first.

4/ Now at 1:03 we have another player score a goal (not sure who that is) and again we have the message 1st (first) appear and guess which fans are supporting and at which venue, well yeah its us at Old Trafford, we are celebrating!

5/ Then at 1.19 we have a Mr Mourinho, with the words first right next to his head and he is making a schuush gesture

6/ and right at the end 1:37 we have the man of the moment, again reiterating the word first (first never follows)

Once we take into account all the other Manchester Utd references in the advert, it is IMHO clear as night and day where Pogba is going to be playing his football this season!

Subliminal advertising at its best, perfectly choreographed and doing exactly what it was made to do, that is to get people talking.

Muppets im out, Pogba welcome home

:)
 
Anyone think Raoilas twitter talk is maybe pushed by Adidas for sponsorship money? the Ads for TV aren't done overnight.

Takes a week or so to prepare, shoot, edit.
 

Fabrizio says will be official next week.


It's as good as done thing now mate. We can enjoy the weekend. No WAY will journos like Di Marzio and Fabrizio Romano risk their reputation by consistently saying he's joining Utd.

It's a DONE DEALIO! (Nearly)

:drool:
 
They get like 10% and high sales numbers puts them in a strong position for negotiating future kit deals. So it is not true United won't see a cent of that.
Not entirely. "...United don’t even automatically receive the 10-15% industry-standard royalty payment, no doubt because the up-front £75 million annual payment is so large. United’s royalty payment only kicks in once a certain number of shirts are sold".
Source: http://thesetpieces.com/features/transfer-window-myth-busting/#ixzz4FuVIhnk3

So yes, we may see 10% like you said, but that's only if we sell a certain number of shirts. Sorry if my initial post was unclear.
 
OK, here goes

1/ addidasfootball tweets

Source: https://www.redcafe.net/threads/paul-pogba-we-havent-signed-him-yet.417567/page-833#post-19588158

The best focus on being first

They are telling us to focus on 'first'

2/ Pogba first club after leaving Le Havre was us

3/ In the first section of the adidas video, we continually see 'blah blah' branded on the advert at 0:54 seconds the focus turn to Pogba who scores a goal. This is the point we move to the second section of the video, this section now focus's on first or 1st and of course as the focal point Pogba is responsible for the first first.

4/ Now at 1:03 we have another player score a goal (not sure who that is) and again we have the message 1st (first) appear and guess which fans are supporting and at which venue, well yeah its us at Old Trafford, we are celebrating!

5/ Then at 1.19 we have a Mr Mourinho, with the words first right next to his head and he is making a schuush gesture

6/ and right at the end 1:37 we have the man of the moment, again reiterating the word first (first never follows)

Once we take into account all the other Manchester Utd references in the advert, it is IMHO clear as night and day where Pogba is going to be playing his football this season!

Subliminal advertising at its best, perfectly choreographed and doing exactly what it was made to do, that is to get people talking.

Muppets im out, Pogba welcome home

:)

Are you on drugs? :wenger::lol:
 
It's as good as done thing now mate. We can enjoy the weekend. No WAY will journos like Di Marzio and Fabrizio Romano risk their reputation by consistently saying he's joining Utd.

It's a DONE DEALIO! (Nearly)

:drool:

Has been for about three weeks +
 
OK, here goes

1/ addidasfootball tweets

Source: https://www.redcafe.net/threads/paul-pogba-we-havent-signed-him-yet.417567/page-833#post-19588158

The best focus on being first

They are telling us to focus on 'first'

2/ Pogba first club after leaving Le Havre was us

3/ In the first section of the adidas video, we continually see 'blah blah' branded on the advert at 0:54 seconds the focus turn to Pogba who scores a goal. This is the point we move to the second section of the video, this section now focus's on first or 1st and of course as the focal point Pogba is responsible for the first first.

4/ Now at 1:03 we have another player score a goal (not sure who that is) and again we have the message 1st (first) appear and guess which fans are supporting and at which venue, well yeah its us at Old Trafford, we are celebrating!

5/ Then at 1.19 we have a Mr Mourinho, with the words first right next to his head and he is making a schuush gesture

6/ and right at the end 1:37 we have the man of the moment, again reiterating the word first (first never follows)

Once we take into account all the other Manchester Utd references in the advert, it is IMHO clear as night and day where Pogba is going to be playing his football this season!

Subliminal advertising at its best, perfectly choreographed and doing exactly what it was made to do, that is to get people talking.

Muppets im out, Pogba welcome home

:)
Holy feck :lol:I'm at a loss for words (something which you are clearly not).
 
Not entirely. "...United don’t even automatically receive the 10-15% industry-standard royalty payment, no doubt because the up-front £75 million annual payment is so large. United’s royalty payment only kicks in once a certain number of shirts are sold".
Source: http://thesetpieces.com/features/transfer-window-myth-busting/#ixzz4FuVIhnk3

So yes, we may see 10% like you said, but that's only if we sell a certain number of shirts. Sorry if my initial post was unclear.
If we sold enough shirts to cover Pogba fee I'm sure the certain number would kick in as it would be about 16m shirts...and that would obvioulsy have to be in additions to the shirts we would normally sell.
 
I am not saying that Juve not announcing is disrespectful. What a Juve fan might find disrespectful and annoying is Pogba signing MUFC shirts without the deal having been confirmed by either club.
Ok but isn't that a problem the fans would have with the player and not the club? If anything surely by that logic Juve would want Pogba to continue signing United related stuff and not announce Pogba is off, as it'll make it easier to break it to the fans (who are supposedly annoyed at Pogba for signing the shirts).
 
France qualified as hosts for a start, so I won't have any 'evidence' of him going missing in those qualifiers as they never played any qualifiers!

I haven't got any evidence of him going missing? :lol:. What do you want me to do, post the hours and hours of Serie A games I've watched where he hardly had any influence? I've seen plenty of games mate. Plenty. And with all due respect most journalists are touting him as a box-to-box midfielder which I say he clearly isn't. What a car crash of a post :lol:.
Yeah my bad. Had a brain fart there.
 
What a Juve fan might find disrespectful and annoying is Pogba signing MUFC shirts without the deal having been confirmed by either club.

Agreed.
It seems that Pogba is telling/showing everybody that he is now a MUFC player, yet the clubs are saying otherwise.
I'd be little miffed if one of our players (eg. DDG), was going around signing Madrid shirts, while still being on our books.
 
Agreed.
It seems that Pogba is telling/showing everybody that he is now a MUFC player, yet the clubs are saying otherwise.
I'd be little miffed if one of our players (eg. DDG), was going around signing Madrid shirts, while still being on our books.
The clubs aren't saying otherwise, the clubs are saying nothing. And he won't be on Juventus' books much longer because the documents will all be signed soon.