Paul Pogba | Undergoing Medical | Helping out the Laundry Ladies

[Hans Moleman]

I don't know, there's something weird about some of our fans. For years we've moaned about how average our players are and how we never spent enough money during Ferguson's last years, but then when we start getting linked with players that'll cost a fortune (because they're great players that will significantly improve us) there's moaning about how much they cost. Just no pleasing some people I guess.

I think there's a big difference between signing a class player for 30 or 40 million to fix your midfield, and spending 100m on one. I agree with the prevailing idea that "it's not my money" and if a player improves the team then I'm all for it, but once you get into those sorts of eye-watering figures (and also adding on wages and agent fees) you're reaching a level that could actively affect other player purchases, so you better be sure you're signing the right player.

I'm not totally sold on Pogba, he seems to blow hot and cold too much considering the above. I'd hope Jose can mould a world class player out of him though.

 

[Devil may care]

Thought I'd take a look at a Juve forum as they were a good laugh during the Vidal saga. They really hate the PL and they really love sarcasm:







I particularly enjoyed the amount of bitterness and sarcasm dripping from this last one.

Is that an English Juve fan forum?

 

[SqueakyWeasel]

What am I missing? Leave's himself wide open here!

I'm aware that it's all just hot air, but for once I'm thinking maybe, this time, it might just be better if we miss out on him.

I keep watching him and I just don't get it! He's a great footballer admittedly. However, to command £100m you still have to be exceptional (even in this day and age) and surely I'd have seen more than just a sniff of it by now … wouldn't I?

Might I draw people's attentions to this post from yesterday? I really don't understand it and add his attitude in … we really don't need to give any of our detractors ammunition, do we? If we seriously had £120m available surely we could buy 3 (Ooops, forgot, it's the Premier League … 2) quality players of say … Dier and Payet quality?

 

[SwansonsTache]

I am enjoying all of the salty bitter tears from Serie A and BPL fans towards the EPL.

Maybe if they were halfway interesting and competitive fans outside their own countries would bother watching.

 

[NinjaFletch]

Nope.

 

[Sied]

Is that an English Juve fan forum?

Yea - http://www.juventuz.com/threads/34761-Paul-Pogba/page1284

 

[Fer]

Might I draw people's attentions to this post from yesterday? I really don't understand it and add his attitude in … we really don't need to give any of our detractors ammunition, do we? If we seriously had £120m available surely we could buy 3 (Ooops, forgot, it's the Premier League … 2) quality players of say … Dier and Payet quality?

I think you could have this midfield for that money:

Pjanic - Gundogan
Kante
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Or Krychowiak + Renato Sanches

I guess we will spend all that money on Pogba who is a quality player but he is overpriced.

 

[ADJUDICATOR]

Pogba's a great prospect when you've already got a functioning team. France should be an example of what happens when you don't, and we don't.

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

In the deeper role of a two now, which is where I want to see him.

 

[ti vu]

I think there's a big difference between signing a class player for 30 or 40 million to fix your midfield, and spending 100m on one. I agree with the prevailing idea that "it's not my money" and if a player improves the team then I'm all for it, but once you get into those sorts of eye-watering figures (and also adding on wages and agent fees) you're reaching a level that could actively affect other player purchases, so you better be sure you're signing the right player.

I'm not totally sold on Pogba, he seems to blow hot and cold too much considering the above. I'd hope Jose can mould a world class player out of him though.

You didn't take into account the statement signing significance in this case. Real Madrid pre first Galaticos while still had a great pulling power, not as strong as Italian clubs. Despite the underwhelming result after Del Bosque departure with the Galaticos project. Real Madrid changed the landmark in transfer market Robben, Van der Vaart, Huntelaar, Sneijder, Varane, Kroos, Di Maria, Benzema, Ronaldo, Kaka, James Rodriguez,... all expressed a desire to wear the shirt over other (more reasonable/ better for their career) choices.

Barcelona also enjoys similar status. Bayern has monopoly in Germany market. We're losing pulling power over the year with plastic clubs then TV deal money pouring into PL over the year. We desperately need one of these real marquee signing.

 

[Sied]

He's massively overrated. Some nice turns here and there, a couple of strong shots and some dribblings that look good on a youtube compilation. However, he's no way good enough to warrant a world record fee. I hope we don't buy him

So basically what you're saying is he's a fancy Adam Lallana?

 

[Vialli_92]

He's not worth the £100 million. That's just what it will take to get him because we don't have to sell him and don't want to lose him so if someone wants to pay that then great for us.

 

[Nedved]

I am enjoying all of the salty bitter tears from Serie A and BPL fans towards the EPL.

Maybe if they were halfway interesting and competitive fans outside their own countries would bother watching.

Most Serie A fans on this forum are not Italian...

 

[Tiber]

Rather we spent the cash mentioned on Bale if there was a chance of getting him.
That Pogba fee is massively inflated.

Can you pick up Messi, Ronaldo, Ramos and Neymar when you are signing Bale? Cheers

 

[SwansonsTache]

Most Serie A fans on this forum are not Italian...

Most PL fans in the world are not English.

PL is in a totally different league (literally) to Serie A \ BL when it comes to gathering interest, finances and attracting players. Instead of being sour over it the respective leagues should try and copy the PL's modus operandi since it obviously is miles ahead of others.

The only one who can compete to some degree is the Spanish league, and that is simply due to the quality of their top teams being so ridiculously high that they generate interest, also it is starting to be more competitive.

 

[Eckers99]

He plays like a guy whose sole aim in football is to win the Ballon D'Or. A French Stevie-Me.

 

[Jacky Quacky]

Oh look, hes good again.

 

[Mainoldo]

For a Club designed around giving youth a chance and being able to spot potential I don't get half the hissy fitting!

He is NOT the finished product stop watching him expecting to see Xavi or Zidane what a new club will be getting is all the tools for a midfielder to dominate world football.

 

[Antisocial]

Would we take him if he intended to bugger off to Madrid in 4 years time?

That would be just about the only way I could see Pogba and his side agreeing to the move here - in the hope of following the Ronaldo route to Madrid (with higher wages admittedly), but the question is will Real want him immediately this summer, rather than wait a few years to buy him further into his prime for probably a lower fee than Juve are asking for now?

My guess is that Real and Juventus will end-up agreeing a lower fee than the one we'd agree to, and Pogba becomes a galactico this summer.

 

[Attila]

"There are one or two football agents I simply do not like, and Mino Raiola, Paul Pogba's agent is one of them," declares Ferguson.

"I distrusted him from the moment I met him. He became Zlatan Ibrahimovic’s agent while he was playing for Ajax, and eventually he would end up representing Pogba, who was only 18-years-old at the time.

“We had Paul under a three-year contract, and it had a one-year renewal option which we were eager to sign. But Raiola suddenly appeared on the scene and our first meeting was a fiasco.

"He and I were like oil and water. From then on, our goose was cooked because Raiola had been able to ingratiate himself with Paul and his family and the player signed with Juventus.”

And now we are signing Ibrahimovic, Mkhitaryan and after Pogba, 3 Raiola clients

 

[Vialli_92]

"There are one or two football agents I simply do not like, and Mino Raiola, Paul Pogba's agent is one of them," declares Ferguson.

"I distrusted him from the moment I met him. He became Zlatan Ibrahimovic’s agent while he was playing for Ajax, and eventually he would end up representing Pogba, who was only 18-years-old at the time.

“We had Paul under a three-year contract, and it had a one-year renewal option which we were eager to sign. But Raiola suddenly appeared on the scene and our first meeting was a fiasco.

"He and I were like oil and water. From then on, our goose was cooked because Raiola had been able to ingratiate himself with Paul and his family and the player signed with Juventus.”

And now we are signing Ibrahimovic, Mkhitaryan and after Pogba, 3 Raiola clients

Looks like Raiola did what was best for his client which was getting him game time where he wouldn't get it at United.

 

[Ixion]

"There are one or two football agents I simply do not like, and Mino Raiola, Paul Pogba's agent is one of them," declares Ferguson.

"I distrusted him from the moment I met him. He became Zlatan Ibrahimovic’s agent while he was playing for Ajax, and eventually he would end up representing Pogba, who was only 18-years-old at the time.

“We had Paul under a three-year contract, and it had a one-year renewal option which we were eager to sign. But Raiola suddenly appeared on the scene and our first meeting was a fiasco.

"He and I were like oil and water. From then on, our goose was cooked because Raiola had been able to ingratiate himself with Paul and his family and the player signed with Juventus.”

And now we are signing Ibrahimovic, Mkhitaryan and after Pogba, 3 Raiola clients

Sir Alex and Sir Bobby didn't want Mourinho as our manager either yet here we are. We can't run the club to their whims.

 

[Attila]

Looks like Raiola did what was best for his client which was getting him game time where he wouldn't get it at United.

He sounds like a good agent. Got Zlatan all the moves he wanted and seems to have got Mkhitaryans wish of United

 

[Vialli_92]

He sounds like a good agent. Got Zlatan all the moves he wanted and seems to have got Mkhitaryans wish of United

Fergie probably doesn't like people he can't control and Raiola probably was one of them.

 

[Attila]

Fergie probably doesn't like people he can't control and Raiola probably was one of them.

I think that's probably right

 

[slig]

And now we are signing Ibrahimovic, Mkhitaryan and after Pogba, 3 Raiola clients

Good luck! And dont forget to watch out the flying chairs!

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

Looked good in the deeper role, even before ROI got a player sent off.

 

[Tiber]

This thread is crazy at times - Have never seen people be so quick to be critical about a 23 year old regarded as one of the the best young players in the world!

Fans of plenty of other clubs would sacrifice limbs to even have a shot at signing Paul Pogba

 

[ti vu]

Looked good in the deeper role, even before ROI got a player sent off.

I posted in the match game, that I am suspecting Kante is actually the incompatible part. Kante may play badly individually, but his style invaded both Pogba and Matuidi space. Both seem to play better after Kante is subbed. Larsana Diarra has a better chemistry with Pogba and Matuidi. I maintained in few thread that Kante is very much untested in the anchor role despite of people wank over his all action, 1 vs 1 prowess vs lesser attacker.

 

[Escobar]

So basically what you're saying is he's a fancy Adam Lallana?

No. Lallana is shit. Pogba is good but not 60m or more good

 

[ash_86]

One way to make up the mind is, if we have Pogba would we sell him for £100 million?

 

[Godfather]

Good luck! And dont forget to watch out the flying chairs!

How did that guy get promoted?

 

[SqueakyWeasel]

Great player that he is, he's nowhere near a £100m IMHO – do we really still need statement signings?

Is the fecking Wall Street perception of our financial intent really so much more important than our actual potential?

 

[Higgy74]

I find Utd 'fans' criticism of Sir Alex astonishing and disgraceful, not particularly on this thread but on this forum as a whole.
He did what he thought was right and let's face it given what he won he wasn't wrong was he? How do people know that had he have given into Pogba's wage demands other players wouldn't have followed suit and demanded ludicrous wages before they deserved it, maybe standing upto Pogba and his agent made other young players sit up and take notice and step into line.

As for Pogba I do think he'd be amazing at Old Trafford, is he worth the quoted price? Obviously not but its not our money, it's the clubs.

 

[the hea]

I'd take him here in a heartbeat, he's just on another level compared to any other outfield player in our squad.

 

[Lawman]

One way to make up the mind is, if we have Pogba would we sell him for £100 million?

No because we are loaded and have a lack of quality players. I'd like to see us sign 2 blue chip players (Ibra & ?) and 1 more solid buy (Kante) and 1 more with potential (ala Martial Shaw or Memphis type).

 

[ti vu]

Great player that he is he's nowhere near a £100m – do we really still need statement signings? is the fecking Wall Street perception of our financial intent really more important than our actual potential?

We're having not so great potential since SAF last few years. So this can be 2 birds one stone signing. If possible, why not?

I find Utd 'fans' criticism of Sir Alex astonishing and disgraceful, not particularly on this thread but on this forum as a whole.
He did what he thought was right and let's face it given what he won he wasn't wrong was he? How do people know that had he have given into Pogba's wage demands other players wouldn't have followed suit and demanded ludicrous wages before they deserved it, maybe standing upto Pogba and his agent made other young players sit up and take notice and step into line.

As for Pogba I do think he'd be amazing at Old Trafford, is he worth the quoted price? Obviously not but its not our money, it's the clubs.

I agree with your post for most part. But with hindsight and at that time, it was predictable that the market would come this way. We should have made use of our financial power back then when it's still cheaper and has more value.

Bayern tried the same with Kroos and backfired with Kroos left and still had to pay big wage for their players. We did with Januzaj and arguably wasted time and money the last 3 years going backward no circle. SAF could have used that money better himself and left a more quality squad!

 

[izec]

How did that guy get promoted?

always some weird Germans

 

[Attila]

Good luck! And dont forget to watch out the flying chairs!

Woodward will bash his head in (with a sack of money) if he throws a chair at him

 

[Mainoldo]

I find Utd 'fans' criticism of Sir Alex astonishing and disgraceful, not particularly on this thread but on this forum as a whole.
He did what he thought was right and let's face it given what he won he wasn't wrong was he? How do people know that had he have given into Pogba's wage demands other players wouldn't have followed suit and demanded ludicrous wages before they deserved it, maybe standing upto Pogba and his agent made other young players sit up and take notice and step into line.

As for Pogba I do think he'd be amazing at Old Trafford, is he worth the quoted price? Obviously not but its not our money, it's the clubs.

Not mate.. It's not given what he's won. He was wealthy in glory before Pogba. He made a mistake.. We lived with it and hopefully we rectify it. He still left us with no midfield so I don't see how it was best for the club and two years after the Pogba effect played full notion now that we have a number 11 on 50k a week.