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Do you want Pogba for £100 million?

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Think we'll end up paying what Juve asks. Problem is, there are no midfielders close to Pogba's level whom we can realistically sign. We're not going to let an extra 10mil stop us from what would be an ideal summer in terms of transfers and preparation.

I just hope we build our squad properly (hopefully with the youngsters coming through) to the point where won't be held to ransom again.
 
fatboy said:
Think we'll end up paying what Juve asks. Problem is, there are no midfielders close to Pogba's level whom we can realistically sign. We're not going to let an extra 10mil stop us from what would be an ideal summer in terms of transfers and preparation.

I just hope we build our squad properly (hopefully with the youngsters coming through) to the point where won't be held to ransom again.
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With the amount of money we have wasted in recent years, spending 10m more on Pogba wouldn't stop us. I mean what could be worse than paying higher than the release clause to sign Fellaini.
 
WPMUFC said:
The quotes of a man that know negotiations are at the end of the road.

Didn't someone post an allegri quote a few days back highlighting how far his comments have changed on pogba's future since the bids went in?
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Yes, Allegri mentioned something about this week.
 
@SirAF @Gazza Our discussion yesterday regarding the marketability of Pogba and how we'll profit from it intrigued me a little. I had a little time last night and brushed through the first few pages of our financial report from last year to delve a little deeper into it.

I guess we can discount the matchday and the broadcast revenue streams. We have had one of the highest match day attendances in the PL for years and Pogba's swag won't make people buy extra prawn sandwiches. The Broadcast revenue is also fixed. Pogba can help us get into the CL and increase it for the year 2017-2018, but so can another player. He won't dance on MUTV to help the club get more subscriptions.

That leaves the commercial revenue stream where he can have the most impact. Our commercial revenue for the financial year 14-15 was ~£196m. Of which the sponsorship revenue was £154m, a 14% increase from last year and almost 3 times from 2010-2011 season (I mentioned that because this is a period after marketing dream Ronaldo was long gone).

This £154m sponsorship revenue consisted of £47.5 from Chevy (shirt sponsor), ~£4m from AON as our affinity insurance partner, some £89.2 from other Global & regional sponsors, and the rest from training ground and training shirt sponsorship. Most of these sponsorship deals are tied for 3-7 years.

The rest ~42m comes from merchandising, apparel, product licensing, mobile & content revenue etc.

Either I failed to notice it or I am a bit slow, but how will getting Pogba, one of the most marketable players on the planet, majorly help us increase these revenue streams. He is French, so he is not going to open a market for us that we haven't already tapped. He'll have some positive affect on the merchandising, apparel & product licensing revenue; though will it big enough to offset some of the cost from his fees and wages? When we sell sponsorship deals, we negotiate the rights in respects to the player and manager imagery. Won't we have to pay Pogba extra for the rights our sponsors will get on already negotiated deals?

Isn't his 'swag' much more beneficial to brand Pogba in order to secure sponsorship deals for himself than it'll be for United? Uniited's marketability is helped by our success on the pitch; which Pogba may or may not help us achieve. However, the numbers some people talk about, £20m or £30m, that he'll help generate yearly because of his image are pure nonsense, imo.

Having said all that, I am the uninitiated on the topic, and stand to be corrected.
 
Insanity said:
@SirAF @Gazza Our discussion yesterday regarding the marketability of Pogba and how we'll profit from it intrigued me a little. I had a little time last night and brushed through the first few pages of our financial report from last year to delve a little deeper into it.

I guess we can discount the matchday and the broadcast revenue streams. We have had one of the highest match day attendances in the PL for years and Pogba's swag won't make people buy extra prawn sandwiches. The Broadcast revenue is also fixed. Pogba can help us get into the CL and increase it for the year 2017-2018, but so can another player. He won't dance on MUTV to help the club get more subscriptions.

That leaves the commercial revenue stream where he can have the most impact. Our commercial revenue for the financial year 14-15 was ~£196m. Of which the sponsorship revenue was £154m, a 14% increase from last year and almost 3 times from 2010-2011 season (I mentioned that because this is a period after marketing dream Ronaldo was long gone).

This £154m sponsorship revenue consisted of £47.5 from Chevy (shirt sponsor), ~£4m from AON as our affinity insurance partner, some £89.2 from other Global & regional sponsors, and the rest from training ground and training shirt sponsorship. Most of these sponsorship deals are tied for 3-7 years.

The rest ~42m comes from merchandising, apparel, product licensing, mobile & content revenue etc.

Either I failed to notice it or I am a bit slow, but how will getting Pogba, one of the most marketable players on the planet, majorly help us increase these revenue streams. He is French, so he is not going to open a market for us that we haven't already tapped. He'll have some positive affect on the merchandising, apparel & product licensing revenue; though will it big enough to offset some of the cost from his fees and wages? When we sell sponsorship deals, we negotiate the rights in respects to the player and manager imagery. Won't we have to pay Pogba extra for the rights our sponsors will get on already negotiated deals?

Isn't his 'swag' much more beneficial to brand Pogba in order to secure sponsorship deals for himself than it'll be for United? Uniited's marketability is helped by our success on the pitch; which Pogba may or may not help us achieve. However, the numbers some people talk about, £20m or £30m, that he'll help generate yearly because of his image are pure nonsense, imo.

Having said all that, I am the uninitiated on the topic, and stand to be corrected.
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I haven't read the debate but for me the whole stuff such as "X player is more marketable and therefore higher value" is rubbish (except when the said player is from a relatively untapped market, say like Kagawa or a Chinese/Indian player). As you said, the pure marketing value of a player is minuscule compared to the overall spending on the player. So if I am getting a player who is demonstrably better than another at the same price, I buy the first player regardless of any other consideration.

For any top tier club such as ours, winning trophies consistently is much more valuable than anything else. From a pure financial perspective, the revenue growth potential of a winner club over time is much higher than another top club, which say, qualifies for CL every year. And therefore any top player that will help in winning trophies would always command a premium valuation commensurate to the growth potential.

As an example, if we consider Cantona to be a key factor in our success in early nineties that allowed us to create a gap between us and Liverpool, how much value would we subscribe to him going back? I would say he would be immensely valuable (in 1990s prices of course) irrespective of his marketing potential.
 
VanGaalEra said:
Completely different quotes and attitude as opposed to the Vidal saga! He was quite reassuring for Juve fans during the Vidal saga.
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It has been completely different to the Vidal saga all along. We were not in bed with Vidal's agent for a start and Vidal didn't have the links to the club that Pogba does. With Vidal I didn't think there was any speculation that was really encouraging.
 
I thought that the £92m we've already offered included a clause that we pay the agents £18m fee and, if we do, there would be no further add-ons. Meaning we can sell-on (if we want) and not have to lose a percentage. Now they're asking for a further €10m AND add-ons, and now I hear the player will earn £11m a year AND retain his image and sponsorship rights (something that had previously been reported would be relinquished to United as part of the deal) :confused:

Makes you wonder if Juve really could afford to splash out €95m on Higuain … If I were Woody I'd tell 'em to feck off and leave them panicking! They'll soon be crawling back begging us to buy at any price as they'll be desperate to get some cash back in.
All sources quoted are merely rumours and conjecture that I choose to believe btw!
 
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I am 90% certain how some of you would react if you see/hear your missus with someone.
 
There comes a point when we all need to ask ourselves, is Ed delaying this so RedCafe can break the Vidal transfer thread record?
 
prateik said:
I don't understand these reports.
Raiola wont be telling them this.. Pogba isnt talking to anyone..
So where is the information coming from? Madrid? To the Spanish radio stations and papers..

That sounds reliable.
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It really seems that Raiola had some kind of deal with MU. He is pushing his players to go there (Ibra, Targaryen, Pogba).
 
Sky1981 said:
take one for the team ronnieeeeee, spam the hell out of us till you break vidal's record. I'll burn you an effigy on every Groundpogday
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I think that was Ed intention all along. We need to be first in every category. Second is for quitters. :)
 
Allegri 17th July 2016 - 25 July 2016

'I am calm about the English rumours,' Allegri told Gazzetta dello Sport.

'Anyone who has the opportunity to leave Juventus has to consider things very carefully, because right now Juve are among the top four European clubs.

'This is not a selling club that just lets its players go. Pogba belongs to Juve and at the end of the day he too will want to win another Scudetto and hopefully the Champions League.
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"At the moment I can tell you that Pogba is a Juventus player," Allegri said at the pre-match press conference ahead of Saturday night's International Champions Cup meeting with A-League club Melbourne Victory.

"We do not know what is going to happen."
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“Our club is monitoring the situation. The fact is so far Juventus signed the likes of Alves, Benatia, Pjanic and Pjaca, four important players to improve our team. Until the 31st of August many things may happen but for sure Juventus will be a great team, ready to be at the highest level to win in Italy and in Europe.”
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'I am not going to talk about the transfer market news we are just here to get ready.' 'The club is going to talk about the transfer market and they are doing very well so I am happy in that regard.'
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Just read those quotes from Scholesy. Couldn't agree more. This joker isn't worth this kind of outlay and City did get a bargain in Gudongan.
 
Rory 7 said:
Just read those quotes from Scholesy. Couldn't agree more. This joker isn't worth this kind of outlay and City did get a bargain in Gudongan.
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Gudongan is like buying a faulty PS4 on eBay, you've got a bargain, but who knows how many more issues are going to arise with it, and you end up thinking you should have just spent a bit more money and got a new one.
 
Kubalionzzale said:
You are right. Raiola can't force Pogba to move to United but he can make him go to United by saying something, I can't say control him, but control Pogba without him not even knowing it and Pogba thinking it's his decision to come back when Raiola lead him to move back here. (This may sound stupid but it's the best I could've phrased myself)

You don't know if he wants to return or not just like I don't know if those reports are true or not.
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The word you are looking for is "inception". Sequel with DiCaprio as Raiola and Morgan Freeman as the Pog confirmed.
 
Judas said:
Gudongan is like buying a faulty PS4 on eBay, you've got a bargain, but who knows how many more issues are going to arise with it, and you end up thinking you should have just spent a bit more money and got a new one.
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:lol: great analogy
 
I think Juve want to announce Higuain first and then sell Pogba to save face in front of their fans.
 
Judas said:
Gudongan is like buying a faulty PS4 on eBay, you've got a bargain, but who knows how many more issues are going to arise with it, and you end up thinking you should have just spent a bit more money and got a new one.
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That remains to be seen. If he stays fit he'll be exactly the kind of attacking midfielder all the muppetocracy want. Pogba is like buying a PS4 for 10 grand.
 
Insanity said:
@SirAF @Gazza Our discussion yesterday regarding the marketability of Pogba and how we'll profit from it intrigued me a little. I had a little time last night and brushed through the first few pages of our financial report from last year to delve a little deeper into it.

I guess we can discount the matchday and the broadcast revenue streams. We have had one of the highest match day attendances in the PL for years and Pogba's swag won't make people buy extra prawn sandwiches. The Broadcast revenue is also fixed. Pogba can help us get into the CL and increase it for the year 2017-2018, but so can another player. He won't dance on MUTV to help the club get more subscriptions.
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The games I've been to at OT this season have been filled up with discounted tickets (which I bought from the uni near me), and what I imagine are free or heavily discounted tickets for school kids, because there was an insane amount of em in big groups with their teachers.

It's something I've ever seen on that scale before and IMO is due to us not being as appealing to watch. Obviously a big part of that is just the poor football, but United has also always had superstars until recent years so I reckon that's contributed too.
 
Someone negative about a deal, is always going to see the negatives. Just wait until you see him playing for United (should we sign him). Maybe you'll change your mind..
 
sokol11 said:
I think Juve want to announce Higuain first and then sell Pogba to save face in front of their fans.
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I also get the impression of there is a deal we would like to announce it when then team and club officials are back on Manchester.
 
Rory 7 said:
Just read those quotes from Scholesy. Couldn't agree more. This joker isn't worth this kind of outlay and City did get a bargain in Gudongan.
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We don't know yet and atleast you should wait for one season before drawing conclusions. I remember I thought the same way when we got Kagawa cheap and Chelsea got Hazard. But turns out Chelsea came off better in that particular instance. Similarly we thought the club had gone mad when buying Martial last season - would you argue against that anymore?
 
Rory 7 said:
That remains to be seen. If he stays fit he'll be exactly the kind of attacking midfielder all the muppetocracy want. Pogba is like buying a PS4 for 10 grand.
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Bit of an exaggeration? Have you not seen the posts re proportions of turnover etc? The money is the market.

The problem with Gundogan is not a question over his ability, you said it yourself, the question is IF he stays fit. For me, that's not good enough.
 
Insanity said:
@SirAF @Gazza Our discussion yesterday regarding the marketability of Pogba and how we'll profit from it intrigued me a little. I had a little time last night and brushed through the first few pages of our financial report from last year to delve a little deeper into it.

I guess we can discount the matchday and the broadcast revenue streams. We have had one of the highest match day attendances in the PL for years and Pogba's swag won't make people buy extra prawn sandwiches. The Broadcast revenue is also fixed. Pogba can help us get into the CL and increase it for the year 2017-2018, but so can another player. He won't dance on MUTV to help the club get more subscriptions.

That leaves the commercial revenue stream where he can have the most impact. Our commercial revenue for the financial year 14-15 was ~£196m. Of which the sponsorship revenue was £154m, a 14% increase from last year and almost 3 times from 2010-2011 season (I mentioned that because this is a period after marketing dream Ronaldo was long gone).

This £154m sponsorship revenue consisted of £47.5 from Chevy (shirt sponsor), ~£4m from AON as our affinity insurance partner, some £89.2 from other Global & regional sponsors, and the rest from training ground and training shirt sponsorship. Most of these sponsorship deals are tied for 3-7 years.

The rest ~42m comes from merchandising, apparel, product licensing, mobile & content revenue etc.

Either I failed to notice it or I am a bit slow, but how will getting Pogba, one of the most marketable players on the planet, majorly help us increase these revenue streams. He is French, so he is not going to open a market for us that we haven't already tapped. He'll have some positive affect on the merchandising, apparel & product licensing revenue; though will it big enough to offset some of the cost from his fees and wages? When we sell sponsorship deals, we negotiate the rights in respects to the player and manager imagery. Won't we have to pay Pogba extra for the rights our sponsors will get on already negotiated deals?

Isn't his 'swag' much more beneficial to brand Pogba in order to secure sponsorship deals for himself than it'll be for United? Uniited's marketability is helped by our success on the pitch; which Pogba may or may not help us achieve. However, the numbers some people talk about, £20m or £30m, that he'll help generate yearly because of his image are pure nonsense, imo.

Having said all that, I am the uninitiated on the topic, and stand to be corrected.
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I'm at work now, but very briefly what I meant at least is that when we have those kind of players we are even more attractive to future sponsors (and maintaining our current). However, it's difficult to put it into numbers and I agree that those numbers you are quoting are nonsense.
 
Am prepared to wait and see if Pogba turns out to be all that but from where I'm at, to continue the gaming console analogy, its like buying an oculus rift for way over the odds. A whole bunch of nerds keep telling each other it's the business but the rest of us see it's just a poxy pair of bottle ended glasses for viewing porn.
 
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