Paul Pogba | Undergoing Medical | Helping out the Laundry Ladies
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We have seen Jose's tactics board so why are posters posting incorrect lineups?
I thought Valencia was better than Darmian when he played personally. He's limited of course but has incredible raw pace and power. Darmian barely gets forward but slightly better in defence.
So adding Pogba makes our midfield WORSE than last season? How do you work that out?
I presume you mean right now, seeing as Carrick has actually won the Champions League?
Guess I'd agree about Carrick and Valencia. Smalling may not be the best in the world but he could perfectly plausibly play in a Champions League winning team. Bailey I'll reserve judgement on for obvious reasons... but ask yourself if you'd have left Martial non-bolded this time last year?
Generalizations are awesome, eh?
Having lived in Italy for the three years, I have yet to see a single case of racism in real life.
I think Mourinho will go with a 4-3-3 with Pogba being given a free role within that middle 3 and a Schneidelerlin type doing most of the cleaning up.
I can't stop laughing. I guess you're being sarcastic?
Or you're downplaying the best CM's in the world when comparing them to a 23 year old player who is coming from a midfield heavy team that is light years ahead of everyone else in their league, and then you go on to call him incisive.
Oh, and btw, midfield maestro, that's not Pogba. He's box to box. Kroos, Modric, Iniesta, the ones you're downplaying are a definition of midfield maestro's. If you wanted a young "midfield maestro", there's a guy playing in PSG, but they say he's not for sale.
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Worse than Cleverley - Anderson?
Right now, of course.
Smalling and Bailey at the moment very likely wouldn't make the bench of Madrid (assuming that Madrid put only a CB in the bench).
Martial will also struggle to make the bench of Real Madrid.
Alexis? Why would Arsenal sell them to us when we will clearly be a title threat, and why would he leave CL football to come here? Kante is great, but doesn't solve our midfield issue, merely improves upon destroyers like Fellaini. Once Pogba starts banging in those long range volleys like Scholesy, I'd imagine quite a few will start changing their tune here.
These car comparisons and inflating transfer fees... I am happy Pogba is coming, but still would have preferred the money to be spread on other players, having said that the window has been very good in balancing the squad.
Though for the 100m or what ever it is we know we could have got Sanchez for 45m, Kante for 30m and probably Mahrez for 45m. They would have been excellent additions and not shitty cars or parts in comparison
No probably not, at least initially. There's no place for Rooney in a 4-3-3.
Ultimately Rooney will have to be dropped to get the best out of Pogba, who needs to be driving forward from a three-man midfield.
Never been any cases of racism at italian football matches then
Rooney as usual stinking up the place
All those people up in arms about my post seem to be forgetting, Rafael-Park, Ando-Cleverley etc etc none of these were our first choice centre mids for an entire season.
They were selections made here and there, but look deeper and you'll see that we had a young Carrick/Peak Carrick and the likes of Giggs/Scholes still there behind the scenes to run our games.
That midfield trio posted there was someones claim that this is our first team CM and it is Champions League winning quality which is absolute horseshit.
It is slow, one-paced, completely lacks workrate and balance. If that is our main midfield trio for the majority of this season, we will be lucky to finish top 4.
They were selections made here and there, but look deeper and you'll see that we had a young Carrick/Peak Carrick and the likes of Giggs/Scholes still there behind the scenes to run our games.
That midfield trio posted there was someones claim that this is our first team CM and it is Champions League winning quality which is absolute horseshit.
It is slow, one-paced, completely lacks workrate and balance. If that is our main midfield trio for the majority of this season, we will be lucky to finish top 4.
These car comparisons and inflating transfer fees... I am happy Pogba is coming, but still would have preferred the money to be spread on other players, having said that the window has been very good in balancing the squad.
Though for the 100m or what ever it is we know we could have got Sanchez for 45m, Kante for 30m and probably Mahrez for 45m. They would have been excellent additions and not shitty cars or parts in comparison
Why do people keep repeating these type of arguments?
If you're going to make such arguments then list out players who are reasonably attainable, and play in Pogba's position.
Not just random players who are good and cost less, therefore we could theoretically spend the money elsewhere.
every year Italy saves hordes of immigrants fleeing from Libya. People the British government do their very best to keep out of your lands
Madrid aren't the only team who can win the Champions League. And it's chicken and egg - players reputations are made by winning trophies... before they win them they aren't seen as players of that calibre. Unless you're going to totally buy in a team of XI Galacticos, then you need players to rise to themselves to that level and make themselves legends. So that's what I look for more - whether a player might have that in them, and Smalling I believe is capable.
Apart from you know the systematic opression of people of colour stunting social mobility and ensuring that the majority are only afforded the opportunity to work menial jobs and live in lower quality housing districts.
All that's irrelevant because we're never going to see those three in a midfield.
Think I am a little indifferent to the fees as Poggers is an ex academy player.
At football matches? Im talking about football fans. Im not Rooney btw chill.
I have no doubt that we will but hopefully only in very limited circumstances, when we are playing a very weak team or we are winning comfortably.
His performances have been fantastic. Like most brilliant Italian sides, Juve don't set up in an expansive or attacking way (in the Champions League) that some other teams (Barca, Bayern, Real etc) do. They'll never score as many as the aforementioned teams (in Europe), simply because of the tactics they employ. They are incredibly effective, but often brilliant individual performances for Juve in Europe equate to organised, tactically astute play, especially in relation to their midfielders. I generalise of course, Tevez in that year Juve made the final obviously showcased his attacking flair, but it's very hard for a midfielder to "stand out" in an attacking sense in the Juve system. Watch Pogba v Bayern at the Allianz: he was very effective. Juve had less of the ball than Bayern, obviously, but he pressed, harried and dispossessed, scored and even created a few good chances. My point is that he's a complete player, able of contributing offensively and defensively. As he gets older, he'll impact games even more. But I'm sure that he'll thrive in the fast-paced premier league.
Fair enough, but it's easily solved. We just drop Pogba and bring in Fellaini / Schneiderlin. Then we have last season's midfield, which you have defined as being better.
This I agree with.
Our front 3 don't defend much, so all of our 3 midfielders have to constantly track runners and be very careful to double up on the wing so Marcelo or Caravjal don't end up in 1 on 2 situations. There's games where we look awful against below average teams because of our front 3 not defending, not because the other 7 are shit. If you call that "protecting the flaws" of a midfielder playing in that setup, then I can't help you.
What I call "protecting the flaw" is playing as a midfielder in a (again) midfield heavy (3-5-2) Juventus team, who play in a league that is well below their level. That is a definition of "protecting a flaw".
This I agree with, but United don't primarily need a goal threat from midfield. I think you need a midfield first.
As I said, I have never seen such a case in real life. You hear people who probably haven't ever been in Italy talking about the racism in Italy, but I have yet to see it.
Whilst breaking the world record no doubt turns on Woodward - there must have been a lot of sex in cupboards all across Adidas HQ today!
Getting their highest profile young client to their flagship team has to be a massive boost for them.
Getting their highest profile young client to their flagship team has to be a massive boost for them.
I assume he was meaning Renato Sanches
Schneiderlin
Pogba - Herrera
Carrick
Bastian - Pereira
Blind
Rooney - TFM
+ Fellaini & Mata.
Not the worst we've had at all.
Pogba - Herrera
Carrick
Bastian - Pereira
Blind
Rooney - TFM
+ Fellaini & Mata.
Not the worst we've had at all.
It's come from Mourinho's own mouth that the Rooney midfield experiment is over, so I don't expect him to every play him there, even against weaker opposition. Its not like we're going to be short of midfield alternatives anyway.
The likelihood is that Pogba and Rooney would start (albeit in a 4-2-3-1) with one of our midfielders alongside Pogba. I think he could be a phenomenal signing for us but I'm not sure Pogba is going to be at his best playing deeper, he seems at his best as the most advanced of a 3 man midfield. Add to that the fact that Rooney is way past his best and all of our other midfielders are either past it or a bit 2nd rate and the balance of it still doesn't look right even if it is significantly better than some of the late Ferguson era midfields.
Fellaini and Schneiderlin are probably better centre-mids than Pogba. The lad really isn't a centre-mid, he is more gifted than them but as of right now.. he is no centre midfielder. He doesn't have the work rate to play there.
Play him where Rooney is and you'll get more out of him. He still needs to learn how to play CM.
Now this is more understandable but you also got to appreciate that, like we have done with Pogba, City have committed a lot of man hours on the deal and have established a rapport with the player and his agent so it might not be that easy. Plus take a look at the level and hype surrounding players like Pogba, how difficult it is to sign them once they sign for big clubs and compare that to players like Mahrez, who though very good, aren't as rare or difficult to sign as Pogba/Modric/Muller, by offering this unheard of figure we are pricing out competitors to ensure that we have in our squad one of these highly sought after players.
Again Juve are Adidas too
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Schneiderlin
Pogba - Schweinsteiger
Mkhitaryan - Zlatan - MartialAnd United are a much bigger client with a lot more sales and marketing exposure