So what else are we supposed to go by?
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So what else are we supposed to go by?
Everyone goes to holiday in spain. Who wants to spend their holiday in England? Not even people from England
. Pogba wouldn't care because he has lived here. Unless your from south america it was never your dream to play for madrid. Don't be fooled people.
. Pogba wouldn't care because he has lived here. Unless your from south america it was never your dream to play for madrid. Don't be fooled people.Watching the sport yourself?
Feels great knowing we've used our financial muscle to outdo Madrid and Juve.
In the future, when teams are in talks with a club to sign a player, teams will be hoping we don't enter the picture.
We could be absolute bastards in the transfer market and make sides pay well over the odds for players just by showing some interest.
In the future, when teams are in talks with a club to sign a player, teams will be hoping we don't enter the picture.
We could be absolute bastards in the transfer market and make sides pay well over the odds for players just by showing some interest.
I hear Blackpool is a hotspotEveryone goes to holiday in spain. Who wants to spend their holiday in England? Not even people from England
But we need a midfielder, probably two, and Pogba is the best that is available for that position.
I don't see the need for a player like Mahrez now that we've signed Mkhitaryan either.
The point is, being in the so-called world XI isn't the sole definition of "world class". Neuer & De Gea are, to all intents, both world class. There's only one spot for a keeper in a team though, it really doesn't relegate either of them to not world class.
As for Pogba, I would agree that he's not yet in the tier of Modric, Kroos et al, but he's definitely on his way there, and I think it's very unlikely that he doesn't reach that level in the next few years. Whether that's a risk worth taking, the club and Mourinho seem to be confident of.
So subjective opinion then?
Exactly. 3 years from now Rainy manchester will be the mecca of football. Everything would probably go through United and city.
Because they play different positions. Neymar is a forward winger while Suarez is a proper central striker. Neymar is better in his position than Suarez is hence he got in. Look this is going off topic so I ll say one last thing on this - just because Pogba doesnt make your World XI doesnt mean he isnt world class. I would say if you can make the top 5-10 in your position then you are world class in my opinion.
Even if we don't show interest, clubs (those selling) and agents will use our name for that. In fact they are already doing it. We should charge these clubs and agents a fee to 'use' our name in their transfer dealings
Why? Because he didn't perform in the euros? Get over it. Nobody was saying this shite before the euros. You guys are all quick to change your minds when it wasn't even his fault but the managers use of tactics. I highly doubt kross would have performed as well as a defender.
I hate to say it but the best way to get back to the top is to not only use the money wisely and correctly but position ourselves beside these types of agents. I think that puts us back in a strong position and i'm sure the club know it.
I'm not being pedantic, you said he wouldn't make a world XI, I'm pointing out that he did make one. Whether you agree with who made it or not. If anything it's you being pedantic.
What you maybe meant to say is that he wouldn't make your own personal world XI, which is obviously so ludicrously subjective that it's no reasonable measure of how good a player is.
The "world class" label is too loosely defined to really mean anything, but I think most people would accept that he's among the top handful of players in his position in the world and that's definitely good enough.
It's not surprising Juventus have rejected our first bid. It's quite obvious that they are not going to settle for anything less than a £100M. I have no issue with us paying that, we are getting a world class midfielder (imo) at the young age of 23 who still has a lot of potential. I see it as a good investment similar to the Shaw and Martial deals.
If only there were some way to solve that, like ... um... change the formation?
I don't think it's the sole definition either. As I said before, 'world class' is a very broad term. Some will say it means they have to be in a World XI (which I guess I did originally say), others will say it means they're top 5, 10 etc. I think the term 'great' player is a better phrase, and I don't believe Pogba is as of yet, a great player, like most previous record breaking signings were.
I agree with the second paragraph entirely.
It's got nothing to do with the euros.
Pogba's best performances have all come in the same set up, with certain types players by his side in the midfield. He really wasn't impressive at the start of last season with both Marchisio and Khedira missing for Juve.
I actually think he was decent in a relatively unfamiliar position for him with France. Unspectacular, but much better than he was before, which bodes well.
Fair enough - I had no idea he made the FIFA Pro XI to be fair, shows how little attention I pay to that stuff, so I probably wouldn't have used that term if I had known! As I said above, 'great' is probably a better word than world class, as you said, world class is very vague and broad depending on the person. I don't think Pogba is a great player, yet.
I don't want to sidetrack this thread. I promised not to do so and I keep my promises. Therefore I will keep my answer to one short post with no reply whatsoever. City, history and prestige matters but that's trivial compared to £££. Milan is not a great city to live in but when Berlusconi bankrolled the dosh no one (Manchester United, Real Madrid, Barcelona etc) could compete with him on the transfer market. I grew up dreading reading the gazzetta dello sport because I knew that if AC Milan become interested on our players then we're in trouble. Once the £££ dried up, the players weren't interested in them anymore and now they have Montolivo instead of Gullit and Kaka.
As said I wont be mentioning the old administration. They had their share of faults and their share of reasons why they worked that way (we wouldn't be the financial monsters we are now without them). However let me say one thing. Its about feckin time someone stood up to Real's bullying tactics and their mentality of thinking that they can just barge in and cherrypick the players they want because they are Real. If we end up getting Pogba because we outmuscled Real then I will be a happy bunny.
How people are not excited, after seeing that last compilation video, is beyond me.
I'm not basing my like of Pogba from youtube, I actually remember the days he was here and watched him for the past two years at Juve.
I'm not basing my like of Pogba from youtube, I actually remember the days he was here and watched him for the past two years at Juve.
Just out of curiousity, where in Italy are you from and which team do you consider your Italian team?
I always had the impression that Italians mostly supported Italian teams, I rarely meet Italian Manchester United fans
If there's one thing I've learnt from youtube is that compilation videos are the absolute best way to judge how good a player is.
I have to say out Real Madrid'ing Real Madrid is one of my favourite aspects of this transfer. Huge statement and a big middle finger to the rest of Europe about our power.
Regarding the transfer fee, a couple of years ago I'd have been the first to say that we shouldn't be spending this sort if money on one player. However, i accepted last season that something drastic was needed to drag us back on track because we were spiralling out of control. We were a laughing stock.
To be honest, if there's one player i would have spent huge money on it would have been Pogba. He's still a product of our youth team and we are just setting right a colossal mistake we made in letting him go. The period where Ravel and Poggers left was possibly the darkest days that ive2 had supporting United. Two unbelievable talents just walking away from the club. I can take not winning trophies or missing out on some big players, but the youth is our bread and butter. Thank god we've set it right (touch wood).
To be honest, if there's one player i would have spent huge money on it would have been Pogba. He's still a product of our youth team and we are just setting right a colossal mistake we made in letting him go. The period where Ravel and Poggers left was possibly the darkest days that ive2 had supporting United. Two unbelievable talents just walking away from the club. I can take not winning trophies or missing out on some big players, but the youth is our bread and butter. Thank god we've set it right (touch wood).
So we've signed the best player in the French League and one of the best players in Italian(almost done) and German League this season. All this without the Champions League.
More or less confirms that it was Ferguson and Gill decision to look for value in market rather than being instructed by Glazers. Such a shame really
Yes and no, i think partly yes Ferguson liked a bargain but look at the past he spent shit loads on players, broke many transfer records and tried to break the world record in 96 for Shearer.
The frugal spending post Ronaldo was down to two big factors in my opinion, at the time just after the credit crunch United were paying massive fees to service Glazer debt. And with City arriving on the scene and Real going muppet crazy the fee/wages for players inflated to a level where United at that time couldn't really compete. City were buying mid-table players and putting them on wages similar to United's top earners.
For ever dollar you only get back 0.25, there are better odds for other betting I feel
Yep. It's the equivalent of Woodward walking into a club, throwing down his keys to his Ferrari on the table and ordering the most expensive bottle of champagne on sale.
He's going in for the prettiest girl available, and he's blown the other ballers out of the water
I just told you he made the FIFA World XI and you even quoted my post.
Did you not read his second line?
£100m for a player who is probably over a 90% chance of being a great signing. I'd take that any day over more punts on £20m - £40m players who have far greater chances of not working out.
Just out of curiousity, where in Italy are you from and which team do you consider your Italian team?
I always had the impression that Italians mostly supported Italian teams, I rarely meet Italian Manchester United fans
I am actually Maltese but we know Italian fluently, we have access to their media and I have relatives in Italy. I only support Manchester United (3rd generation fan) but I believe that AC Milan of the late 80s was the best team the world ever seen and I admire Juventus management (bar the scandals)
Agreed and the reason he wasn't in his best position was because a player actually worth 100Mil took up the role.
The issues that meant he wasn't ready back then to fill in the central midfield role are still very present and were on show at the Euros.
Only positive for me is that it will inevitably push Rooney out of the starting 11. Though I'd rather see Zlatan up front, with Mikkhi behind him and Rashford along with Martial on either side.
Why would any club ever accept the first bid? It's negotiating 101.
You can tell it's media posturing though. We're apparently meeting their representatives all this week, as in sat round a table. Why would we need to fax over an official bid, would it not make more sense to just discuss a ball park figure while they're all sat there? It's obviously just them trying to look reluctant to sell.
You can tell it's media posturing though. We're apparently meeting their representatives all this week, as in sat round a table. Why would we need to fax over an official bid, would it not make more sense to just discuss a ball park figure while they're all sat there? It's obviously just them trying to look reluctant to sell.
Jesus Christ, I clearly meant I had no idea before I originally made my post, not after you said that.
Did you ever hear of the word 'joke'?
Deschamps is not a great manager either
Hold onto your seat belts.
I haven't worked at office the whole day! Not doing anything in particular, but can't get rid of thoughts about this imminent signing off my head! So fecking excited!!!
Why is Griezmann worth £100m but not Pogba? Just want to know your thinking? Going by the discussions in the last two pages, Griezmann aint world class, he didnt make the World XI, he isnt the best striker, he isnt the best #10, he isnt as marketable as Pogba yet one is worth £100m and the other is not? Who makes up these numbers to say one player is worth this much while the other is not?
His Youtube compilation videos are great to watch. The lad has that special something, for example we saw a glimpse of it in the Euros when France scored that second goal against Germany. He's very skillful and more than capable of becoming a goal scoring midfielder. He scored some wonderful goals for Juve over the last few years.