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Do you want Pogba for £100 million?

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I don't think he'll stay with us forever, he will at some point want to sample Spanish football.
If he'd stayed here, it would be close to him wanting that move. So for me, we pay big bucks now, get a better period in Pogba's career, then, even bigger bucks when he moves on. Money shouldn't be an issue to anyone here.
 
Akshay said:
Verrati is still the one I'd choose in a heartbeat out of the three though. I want Pogba for sentimental reasons but there are so few quality deep lying midfielders now, whereas I think there's more choice of good #10s or box-to-box midfielders (depending how we intend to use Pogba).
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Don't think there are many if any players out there with the technical skills matched with the physique of Pogba though. He is such a sought after 0layer because of having to have 2 players (a physical presence and a technical player) he combines them both into one leaving another spot free
 
VP89 said:
You think Pogba is available? He's happy at Juve and Juve don't want to sell. We are moving heaven and earth to try and make this deal work - if we threw £100m at Koke/Kroos/Saul the clubs would also listen.
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Bayern wouldn't for Muller.
 
AndyJ1985 said:
It's funny how the Glazers, who have for years been criticised for not sending enough, are now willing to spend £100m of their money on a player, yet there are fans who are so over-protective of money that will never benefit them in any way whatsoever, that they're happy to see us not strengthen our team just to save that money. I find the whole idea of it ludicrous.
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I think some people would rather finish 5th then challenge for a title just so we don't have a little bit of embarrassment from opposing fans or the media over the fee's we have to pay.

The club is run buy businessmen who make money, they will have assest the risk and deemed it acceptable. People just don't see the big picture.
 
P-Nut0712 said:
Don't think there are many if any players out there with the technical skills matched with the physique of Pogba though. He is such a sought after player because of having to have 2 players (a physical presence and a technical player) he combines them both into one leaving another spot free
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That's a good point, it's probably why Mourinho values him so highly as well. He seems very suited to the PL as well, and obviously has familiarity with England. Bah, you're re-igniting my Pogba muppet now.
 
AndyJ1985 said:
It's funny how the Glazers, who have for years been criticised for not sending enough, are now willing to spend £100m of their money on a player, yet there are fans who are so over-protective of money that will never benefit them in any way whatsoever, that they're happy to see us not strengthen our team just to save that money. I find the whole idea of it ludicrous.
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Who said anything about saving the money? It could be better allocated elsewhere - I gave 3 name earlier on.

podurban2 said:
Nowhere near the same marketability, so it would be a more costly transfer than Pogba. What do you want to discuss really? We have heard your wishes and wants, and they have been countered.
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What is this marketability point? Can you slap a number on how much more 'marketable' Pogba is to Saul? Can you justify the ~40-50m GPB cost on Pogba from it even if Saul has been just as good (if not more consistent)? Do we get shirt sales from players or is it already encompassed in our Adidas 1bn USD sponsorship deal? If we do, every United shirt sale with Pogba on the back wouldn't even come close to helping recoup the transfer fee alone.

Mal donaghy said:
Bayern wouldn't for Muller.
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Exactly. But we still dilly dallied about with it and fell short in attack at season's start.

Infra-red said:
The price is completely irrelevant and none of us have any reason to care about it in the slightest.
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Of course its relevant. We may be a rich club but this isn't Championship Manager.
 
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Don't know if anybody has suggested this, but I wonder if there's any possibility that we've basically got it tied up and we're waiting for the pound to recover a bit. It's already pulled up from last week's 5-year-low levels, and it could easily drift back towards its pre-brexit levels over the next few weeks, while it's unlikely to fall more barring anything very unexpected.

Sounds a bit silly, but at the prices being quoted, it's a lot of money. €125m went from being £95m in the run-up to the referendum (and only £88m last November!) to being over £107m last week. £12m is not to be sniffed at, even for United.
 
For what it's worth, Spanish media is reporting that Andre Gomes is going to Real Madrid since Real couldn't work out a deal for Pogba...
 
GJNJ said:
I think some people would rather finish 5th then challenge for a title just so we don't have a little bit of embarrassment from opposing fans or the media over the fee's we have to pay.

The club is run buy businessmen who make money, they will have assest the risk and deemed it acceptable. People just don't see the big picture.
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Is it really that hard to think about the price/quality ratio?
As you said it's a business.

Your business can buy a machine for 200k that gets you 50 pieces/min and another for 400k that produces 55 pcs/min.
So it's all a matter of longetivity and cost/pcs to evaluate if the better machine is actually the better choice.

You always gamble when you buy a player. Pogba is a wonderful talent but not a surefire Ballon d'Or winner. No one can say that in 2 years time, Pogba is clearly better than Koke/etc.
So I agree with the guys saying a billionaire should buy the ferrari, especially if his garage is limited to only 11 vehicles.
But you don't exactly know if Pogba is the Ferrari, so you have to set a price for that.

I want Pogba for 100M but I don't want him for 200M, simple as that.
 
Went to bed last night about 1.30 am after a spike in optimism following some Italian media reports.

Things seemed to have 'settled down' again since then.
 
Sir A1ex said:
Don't know if anybody has suggested this, but I wonder if there's any possibility that we've basically got it tied up and we're waiting for the pound to recover a bit. It's already pulled up from last week's 5-year-low levels, and it could easily drift back towards its pre-brexit levels over the next few weeks, while it's unlikely to fall more barring anything very unexpected.

Sounds a bit silly, but at the prices being quoted, it's a lot of money. €125m went from being £95m in the run-up to the referendum (and only £88m last November!) to being over £107m last week. £12m is not to be sniffed at, even for United.
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I believe we will just use dollars in exhange with Euros - We probably have a rich reserve of Euros stored away too.

Anyway with our new deal with Virgin Money, they can give us mates rates:smirk:
 
I've always thought he was really happy at Juve so I never thought a move would happen. But now the prices quoted would be crazy to turn down. However, I dont believe he has any interest in returning to us. It seems he is happy where he is but if the money is right for Juve he would only leave for Madrid. We're being kept hanging until Madrid come in. And if they dont he will probably stay at juve.
 
VP89 said:
What is this marketability point? Can you slap a number on how much more 'marketable' Pogba is to Saul? Can you justify the ~40-50m GPB cost on Pogba from it even if Saul has been just as good (if not more consistent)? Do we get shirt sales from players or is it already encompassed in our Adidas 1bn USD sponsorship deal? If we do, every United shirt sale with Pogba on the back wouldn't even come close to helping recoup the transfer fee alone.
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It's pretty obvious he is a marketable sports person. Do you work within commercial and finance? Because Woodward and the Glazers do and it seems pretty obvious that they think this is a player worth investing in. Of course it's not only shirt sales, come on man you should know it's not that simplistic. But you seem to claim to know more about all this than Woodward and the Glazers.
 
For the people that are worrying about the price of Pogba;

Failing to invest correctly in our squad cost us the CL spot. That alone is valued circa £60-80m. If we buy Pogba and he gets us the extra points we required, he's basically paid for it himself. You have to speculate to accumulate, and Pogba favoured by Adidas will be 1 of the biggest player brands out there.

Sure it looks a lot of money on the face of it, but so did £30m for Ferdinand and Rooney. £80m looked a lot for Ronaldo at the time, but you would arguably want double that now.
 
podurban2 said:
It's pretty obvious he is a marketable sports person. Do you work within commercial and finance? Because Woodward and the Glazers do and it seems pretty obvious that they think this is a player worth investing in. Of course it's not only shirt sales, come on man you should know it's not that simplistic. But you seem to claim to know more about all this than Woodward and the Glazers.
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And Woodward & the Glazers have a fantastic track record of getting big money signings right, don't they.
 
VP89 said:
Who said anything about saving the money? It could be better allocated elsewhere - I gave 3 name earlier on.



What is this marketability point? Can you slap a number on how much more 'marketable' Pogba is to Saul? Can you justify the ~40-50m GPB cost on Pogba from it even if Saul has been just as good (if not more consistent)? Do we get shirt sales from players or is it already encompassed in our Adidas 1bn USD sponsorship deal? If we do, every United shirt sale with Pogba on the back wouldn't even come close to helping recoup the transfer fee alone.



Exactly. But we still dilly dallied about with it and fell short in attack at season's start.



Of course its relevant. We may be a rich club but this isn't Championship Manager.
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Aren't you contradicting yourself here? Saying we were short in attack because we failed to land a 100m player? We have a great opportunity to land Pogba for 100m who could change our season.
 
VP89 said:
And Woodward & the Glazers have a fantastic track record of getting big money signings right, don't they.
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I would say most of our recent signings have been successful TBH. Only Darmian/Memphis haven't quite lived up to it yet, and even they have plenty of potential to overcome that.
 
VP89 said:
And Woodward & the Glazers have a fantastic track record of getting big money signings right, don't they.
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Di Maria? Outstanding player and not their fault that he had a bad attitude. By your logics we shouldn't have bought Martial. Well thank god you are not in charge then.
 
Adam-Utd said:
For the people that are worrying about the price of Pogba;

Failing to invest correctly in our squad cost us the CL spot. That alone is valued circa £60-80m. If we buy Pogba and he gets us the extra points we required, he's basically paid for it himself. You have to speculate to accumulate, and Pogba favoured by Adidas will be 1 of the biggest player brands out there.

Sure it looks a lot of money on the face of it, but so did £30m for Ferdinand and Rooney. £80m looked a lot for Ronaldo at the time, but you would arguably want double that now.
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But the question is are we investing correctly? Spending a ton of money doesn't mean that we are doing a good job.

PS: I'm just playing the devil advocate.
 
swissgenius said:
Is it really that hard to think about the price/quality ratio?
As you said it's a business.

Your business can buy a machine for 200k that gets you 50 pieces/min and another for 400k that produces 55 pcs/min.
So it's all a matter of longetivity and cost/pcs to evaluate if the better machine is actually the better choice.

You always gamble when you buy a player. Pogba is a wonderful talent but not a surefire Ballon d'Or winner. No one can say that in 2 years time, Pogba is clearly better than Koke/etc.
So I agree with the guys saying a billionaire should buy the ferrari, especially if his garage is limited to only 11 vehicles.
But you don't exactly know if Pogba is the Ferrari, so you have to set a price for that.

I want Pogba for 100M but I don't want him for 200M, simple as that.
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If we are counting coppers it's not only whether or not he is better than ie. Koke that matters. I am quite confident that Pogba would have a much better commercial value to the club than Koke would ever have for instance. From a business perspective, that could be more important than his on-pitch performances.

If a transfer is always a gamble, which I agree with, the gamble argument is a bit irrelevant. I understand that it is safer to gamble with smaller amounts of money but your winnings are also much smaller in that case.
 
That Mack The Knife guy is another crummy itk, he gets a lot right, but it's generally stuff thats very obvious and will call it late in the day, like us sacking Moyes, hiring Jose or signing Pogba.
 
I get comparing Pogba to Koke, but to compare him to Saul is absurd. Saul has had one good season, he was playing CB last year, and he would cost upward of 65 million too.

Pogba has been starting for Juventus for four years, and to be honest he has been fantastic for them. I doubt anyone comparing him Saul has seen him enough.

The one midfielder i'd take ahead of him, from his age group, is Veratti and he's not available, and quite honestly plays a different role.

Pogba would be perfect for us and suited to the PL. He's been overrated at times, but severely underrated on here as well.
 
Adam-Utd said:
I would say most of our recent signings have been successful TBH. Only Darmian/Memphis haven't quite lived up to it yet, and even they have plenty of potential to overcome that.
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Di Maria, Falcao.

Bringing it back to how this relates to Pogba, he may well be worth the money spent. But I don't think the argument "Glazers/Woody know best because this guy must be marketable too" really holds.

podurban2 said:
Di Maria? Outstanding player and not their fault that he had a bad attitude. By your logics we shouldn't have bought Martial. Well thank god you are not in charge then.
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Bad attitude? Christ. He was played in the wrong position most the season, had injuries and never settled after the robbery. By my logic 40m on Martial was toppy but never as laughable as the prices thrown around for Pogba.
 
swissgenius said:
Is it really that hard to think about the price/quality ratio?
As you said it's a business.

Your business can buy a machine for 200k that gets you 50 pieces/min and another for 400k that produces 55 pcs/min.
So it's all a matter of longetivity and cost/pcs to evaluate if the better machine is actually the better choice.

You always gamble when you buy a player. Pogba is a wonderful talent but not a surefire Ballon d'Or winner. No one can say that in 2 years time, Pogba is clearly better than Koke/etc.
So I agree with the guys saying a billionaire should buy the ferrari, especially if his garage is limited to only 11 vehicles.
But you don't exactly know if Pogba is the Ferrari, so you have to set a price for that.

I want Pogba for 100M but I don't want him for 200M, simple as that.
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Yes we currently already have the 200k model, it's alright but it doesn't produce enough pieces for our needs in the English market let alone in Europe mainly because it is slow and and doesn't pass forward.
 
JPRouve said:
But the question is are we investing correctly? Spending a ton of money doesn't mean that we are doing a good job.

PS: I'm just playing the devil advocate.
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Honestly, do you think Pogba will fail? I think he will be an absolute star. It's not like he isn't used to England either, he will be ready for the challenge. He won't have too much pressure on him either as people like Ibra will take that on their shoulders IMO.
 
VP89 said:
Di Maria, Falcao.

Bringing it back to how this relates to Pogba, he may well be worth the money spent. But I don't think the argument "Glazers/Woody know best because this guy must be marketable too" really holds.



Bad attitude? Christ. He was played in the wrong position most the season, had injuries and never settled after the robbery. By my logic 40m on Martial was toppy but never as laughable as the prices thrown around for Pogba.
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Di Maria was arguably LVG's fault. I think if he had a manager that knew how to use him he would be fine. Having the most assists in our team is hardly failing considering how many times he was benched. Good player in a crap team.

Falcao is rubbish, his time at Chelsea proved that too, nobody was to know how bad he would be. Hardly blame Woodward for that.
 
Adam-Utd said:
For the people that are worrying about the price of Pogba;

Failing to invest correctly in our squad cost us the CL spot. That alone is valued circa £60-80m. If we buy Pogba and he gets us the extra points we required, he's basically paid for it himself.
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You see the problem there? The "if"..
If Pogba makes the difference of finishing 5th to challenge for title, everyone would happily take that 125M fee.
But that's pure speculation on your part. We paid good bucks for Di Maria that didn't get us anywhere. You would have laughed at people wanting to spend half that and rather buy Payet or whoever.

It's easy to say Ronnie was worth the big fee but for every Ronaldo/Ferdinand there is a Torres/Di Maria..
 
kafta said:
I get comparing Pogba to Koke, but to compare him to Saul is absurd. Saul has had one good season, he was playing CB last year, and he would cost upward of 65 million too.

Pogba has been starting for Juventus for four years, and to be honest he has been fantastic for them. I doubt anyone comparing him Saul has seen him enough.

The one midfielder i'd take ahead of him, from his age group, is Veratti and he's not available, and quite honestly plays a different role.

Pogba would be perfect for us and suited to the PL. He's been overrated at times, but severely underrated on here as well.
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Saul wasn't playing CB last season, he was in midfield.
 
JPRouve said:
But the question is are we investing correctly? Spending a ton of money doesn't mean that we are doing a good job.

PS: I'm just playing the devil advocate.
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I think so. I think someone made an incredibly stupid choice hiring Moyes after Sir Alex retired. I think we need to show pulling power. You see so many people freaking out and talking about players leaving...they've lost confidence in the direction of the club. We've talked of value in the market for a long time and that's cost us and as a result we're playing catch up. We've heard from Rio - who said the players were shocked when Pogba left. Suddenly people go - what is happening? What direction are we going in?

We have to address the mentality of the team/squad and this will help. Every transfer can fail. The Madrid fans sometimes booed the Brazilian Ronaldo...But this summer so far has been positive. A statement isn't just what you tell everyone else - it's also what you tell yourself. I feel Moyes and LVG killed the spirit and the mentality of the group. If we get him, this will breath new life into some of the players. We could go for others but people forget it's not just supporters that are muppets. We might NOT win the league - we'll have to wait and see, but if we show the right attitude on the field, we should certainly qualify for the CL.
 
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