Exactly look at Karel Proborsky and Jordon Cryff after Euro 96. Great tournament does not make a great player. And vice versa.
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Exactly look at Karel Proborsky and Jordon Cryff after Euro 96. Great tournament does not make a great player. And vice versa.
I don't understand why you have Kante coming off the season he's had, why you play Pogba in his Role and rob France of their biggest inspiration in Pogba. It's really poor management
Any juve fans that can tell us who's their highest earner there?
Pogba is world class in my book with potential to be elite tier. One poor tournament doesn't change that for me.
You're living in the past, you dont get top class players for 25m.
25m gets you Memphis Depay and a punt on some potential.
Proven top level young, game changing, talent like a Bale is the thick end of 100m these days.
Well done Deschamps. Making one of your most creative players play like Tom fecking Cleverley. Even if Pogba is shit all game, he has the magic to turn a draw into a win. He can turn the game on its head with a decisive pass/goal.
Not at all. Guys who had one full season in portugese league go for €40m.
Yeah, the transfer market is ridiculous, it doesn't mean we have to contribute to its silliness.
I'm not, I do realize it's very difficult for big clubs to not overpay but we still see some good players bought cheaper than that. At the end of the day, it's not my money and I feel safer with Mourinho at the helm. Just hope the squad won't left with holes like before. Pogba isn't a game changing talent like a goalscorer like Bale was in that amazing season for Spurs.
I respect your opinion. I just think with that kinda money, you'd wanna buy a proven player at the highest level
Good player but 100 mil?
Genuine question - What is world class about Pogba the central midfielder?
Does he possess an elite vision and passing?
Does he have the ability to manage and control the pace of the game?
Is he great when pressed in the midfield?
Is he a great tackler and leader?
He is a physical specimen with a thunder shot in him. World class midfielder - no fecking way. To me he compares to a Yaya Toure.
Does he possess an elite vision and passing?
Does he have the ability to manage and control the pace of the game?
Is he great when pressed in the midfield?
Is he a great tackler and leader?
He is a physical specimen with a thunder shot in him. World class midfielder - no fecking way. To me he compares to a Yaya Toure.
In terms of talent there are few as talented as him. Who would you rather have for less money? Can't be an unknown player, can it? Examples like Dele Alli and Weigl are rare.
Not juve fan, Pogba is their highest earner. He is 3rd highest earner in serie a.
https://m.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/3juaqd/serie_a_salaries_broken_down_by_la_gazzetta_dello/
I don't know, just saying I think we'll stupidly overpay for him and hope it won't bite us.
You didn't consider Yaya world class in his prime?
The only way it will bite us is if he plays badly for us. The money itself won't harm us one bit. Have a read of the United finances thread on the Manchester United forum.
no we are doing it because mourinho wants Pogba. Woody is doing the exact things he did under van gaal. Buy the players wanted by managers.
Head was clearly in Manchester last night
True. But I know one thing.... He's 23.
Name me a world class midfielder at that age.
I did, the club is loaded indeed. I would like to see a couple more signings regardless of this one. The team is looking good but there is an obvious weakness at RB and RW.
Verratti?
You need to watch more of his games with Juventus. He's one of their highest earner, if not the highest (above Buffon who took a pay cut if my memory serves me well), and I don't see Juventus paying him that much if he doesn't deserve it. And stop with the tackling stuff, he's an offensive player.
No, I didn't. He was nearly always embarrassed in Europe when he met compact teams who pressed City's midfield. He never had any answers.
He had a couple of very good seasons in the Premier league, no doubt. He was never genuinely world class, though. Silva was the one who controlled the pace of the game.
Well he hasn't been to a world/European tournament and played like Pirlo. So no! Seeing as we are judging Pogba like this.
We can't afford to not buy players simply because it's inflated. It's because we did that, that we ended up watching Hazard and all put in excellent performances against us than for us.
The answer to all of the above questions is the same - it is "he could be". He has the attributes to become great at all of these things. Certainly right now, he is better suited in a Lampard type role which is where i would expect Jose would use him should we get him. However, physically he is capable of playing deeper and breaking up play. His passing ability is actually fantastic.
From a fan's perspective, you are getting someone who is supremely talented and can already perform on the big stage. From the club's perspective, you are getting someone who is young, knows the club, has bags of potential to improve.....and huge commercial potential. Sadly, that last part comes into it.
Yeah but I'm sure a more middle ground can be found.
What's the point of contracts these days? It seems agents are negotiating the players next contract as soon as one is signed. Why aren't juve suing raiolas arse off. He's clearly in breach of any contract they have with Pogba. Why do clubs allow this to happen?
His vision and passing are probably better than people seem to give him credit for. He's definitely a very good player, when pressed. Most opponents can hardly get the ball off him, similar to Vieira. He's obviously not on Vieira's level yet, especially in terms of leadership, before someone misinterprets what I am trying to say.
He's one of Juventus' best players and they are one of the best teams around Europe. His goals and assists have contributed a lot to their dominance domestically. What you define as world class might not be what he is, but I don't think there are many midfielders better than him.
I get the sentiment and the fact that he was once ours doesn't make the fee any better, but at the end of the day, I didn't think someone like him would be available for us this summer. I wanted us to sign Xhaka and Tolisso, because I believed those were the most realistic and best targets we could get. But I don't think they could have the impact that Pogba could have for us.
At the moment nothing, maybe like you mentioned his physique is "world class" for a footballer without being exceptional tbh. Other than that, it's all about the potential.
True, but do you see any attributes in him that makes you believe that he'll become world class at those with age? I really don't. He will improve his decision making, sure. Developing world class vision and passing, I am not too sure.
I have seen him quite a bit for Juve in the the champions league and I watch all Milan games.
Being one of the highest earners at Juve doesn't mean anything. That's not an argument. Rooney is the highest paid player at United.
Because clubs aren't victims at all. Juventus aren't being victimized here, they have a lot to gain from this.
But we just bought a RW
Completely forgot about Kenrikh
, replace it with a DM Not for England he wasn't, very average International career indeed.
He was played on the wing for England.
Good answer for Rooney but Pogba is young so if he's the highest earner, it means a lot.
Furthermore, Juventus is rude when they consider you're not worth it. All their stars have learned it the hard way. If Pogba was not good, they would make him feel it.
Ah. Thanks for that
That was his point
You misunderstood my post. He was not a great midfielder for England.
Oh, and that whole "played out of position" thing is always blown out of proportion. He was played out of position a fair bit by SAF at the time to squeeze Veron into the side and England did the same for a grand total of about 8 games.
I think you're underrating his vision and passing. He definitely needs to improve in controlling matches, which is a big reason why Modric is as good as he is.
Pogba can dribble past players better than most midfielders too. He's an offensive talent, which I believe United needs.