I hope not, but if Barca don't go in for him, City offer a good amount then it seems fairly likely. City have Pep, World class players, CL football and literally dozens of fans, to offer him. I can see it happening.
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I hope not, but if Barca don't go in for him, City offer a good amount then it seems fairly likely. City have Pep, World class players, CL football and literally dozens of fans, to offer him. I can see it happening.
I don't think that's United's view personally. Plus, we've different men in charge now, on all levels, and if Mourinho wants Pogba then that's all that'll matter really.
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Sterling cost £50m. You have to overpay to attract players.
Vidal is older than Pogba, and has injury concerns. I don't recall anyone suggesting 60-80 for him, but if they did, that was just silly. Pogba is younger and can only get better.
I'd pay a world record fee. At the end of the day barring a career threatening injury he'll only go on to get better and better and he has a huge re-sale value. I'd take only him in this window and sign Ibra for free. That's better than the category of player we've been recruiting of late. We don't need 5 players like everyone says. We had the joint best defence with huge injuries in that department. We have the personnel in midfield to be doing far better than we showed under LVG already.
Using Bayern, Barca or Madrid as barometers for what other clubs have to pay is a pointless metric. These 3 clubs are almost universally accepted as the top 3 destinations for players and are clubs who can use their status to strong-arm clubs and lower prices a great deal. Players are willing to take pay cuts to go to these sides and they rarely have to pay equivalent to what others do.
We're in Manchester, out of the CL, unsuccessful for 3yrs and have a squad that's hardly the envy of anyone. Our pull is Mourinho, the amount of money we can offer and somewhere further down the line, the fact we are still Manchester United can also be a draw when going for players who aren't yet at elite clubs.
If we were in a direct head-to-head for a player with any of the three clubs mentioned, we're more than likely going to have to put more down on the table to make up for our drop in status and performance; same goes for Chelsea and City, too. English football will suffer such consequence for the time being, as it should.
Our "overpaying" is the going rate for a club who has fallen off the pace. Once we are back at the top, winning league titles and getting into the latter stages of the CL with an impressive squad in tow, we'll then be able to call the shots and lower prices for top tier players once again.
Just as an aside..
I've seen plenty of people referring to us having the equal best defensive record in the league.
This does not mean we have a good defence.
We have a goalie that saves in situations that usually result in goals, but more importantly, we were playing defensive, risk-averse football.
A defencel orientated team should be more successful in the goals-against column that a more balanced or offensive team.
How good would that defence be when exposed more, by playing a more expansive system?
I wouldn't want to trust it.
I've seen plenty of people referring to us having the equal best defensive record in the league.
This does not mean we have a good defence.
We have a goalie that saves in situations that usually result in goals, but more importantly, we were playing defensive, risk-averse football.
A defencel orientated team should be more successful in the goals-against column that a more balanced or offensive team.
How good would that defence be when exposed more, by playing a more expansive system?
I wouldn't want to trust it.
Is there anything to this?
If we could get him, I'd say why not. At the end of the he was right to move when he did, you wouldn't stay in a job you were unvalued in would you?
Paul and Tim in a midfield two would work like a charm. Both powerful, 6 foot plus, quick and athletic. Hell get Ravel back to play number 10 and we're winning the league.
Paul and Tim in a midfield two would work like a charm. Both powerful, 6 foot plus, quick and athletic. Hell get Ravel back to play number 10 and we're winning the league.
Just haven't seen enough of Juve to comment - but presumably he never plays in a 2 man midfield? Always a 3?
Similarly, Jose has always used a 3, so might not be an issue.
Similarly, Jose has always used a 3, so might not be an issue.
It's not my money, so in the end it wouldn't matter if we spend a insane fee for him. Still think he isn't worth anywhere near a world record fee.
I also just can't see him joining us or City. Always felt La Liga will be his choice. He will go to Barca or Real (seems like he prefers Barca) or stay at Juve for 1,2 seasons more.
I also just can't see him joining us or City. Always felt La Liga will be his choice. He will go to Barca or Real (seems like he prefers Barca) or stay at Juve for 1,2 seasons more.
Id pay virtually anything for him, Powerhouse who we would get a decade of performance from.
Would those who watch Pogba agree that he is similar to Gerrard in the sense that while he has obvious natural talent, he also is a player of great moments rather than consistent class? Whenever I see Pogba I see someone capable of doing something amazing, but not one that in integral to the 90 minute performance of the team. To be noted that I see Pogba play very rarely, but it's the impression he gives me.
This all depends on those clubs wanting him, and if so, when. What if they never come calling?
If he feels he needs to move on and United or City offer him £200k a week what's he going to do? Real or Barca might want him but at what price? Are they prepared to build a side around him like other clubs might, or will he be in the shadow of other players?
From a financial, marketing and professional perspective a move to the PL, given how popular it is and the money on offer - especially as the poster boy of a top club. To that end we always have a chance of signing players like this, especially with a manager in charge who's had a lot of success.
A move here could make him a very rich man in a very short period of time in a career that could be over every time you step out onto the pitch. And he could still go to Real or Barcelona later if he wanted too.
That's why I like him but at the same time don't rate him that highly. He is a spark more than a midfield engine. Now I think that he can be more consistent, he is still young.
I really can't see Barca wanting him. Not the type of player that would slot seamlessly into their style of football. Pogba is far more direct in his style of play.
Then again, I'm suprised at how well Rakitic has adapted to Barca's style as opposed to Sevilla's counter attacking approach.
Having all those attributes make him the best for me.
It's why I think it's strange whenever someone puts Pogba in a midfield two behind a #10.
He's a bit like that yeah but it is often forgotten how young he still is. His consistency is getting better season after season, he's developping "normally" for a player of his age I'd say. He just needs to play a more simple brand of football which he really is capable of doing as he's showed it already several times.
Just like a lot of people were skeptical regarding Henry when he joined them (going from being the main man at Arsenal to a member of an attacking trio with lots of defensive duties). It is often underestimated how well some pllayers can adapt to new roles and a big part depends on the relationship between the manager and the player.
I have no doubt Pogba can play in a 433 alongside Schneiderlin and behind Mata. That would literally be a dream midfield for me.
Nope. His initial reported wage at Juve was lower than what United offered to him.
And also, it ended very well for him. It didn't end well for us instead.
We have a revenue over 500m euros, and less than 50% of it is spent on wages. Obviously, we have financial limitations but we can spend over 200m in players if we want. Like we did a couple of years ago.
You think we have 0 operating costs?
We can afford to spend money if needed.. but we cant keep spending hundreds of millions every season.
There are plenty of other expenses.
Yes. And maybe a right wide player, although if Ibra plays through the middle we could use Rashford and Martial as wide forwards with Depay and Lingard as cover.
Of course, we have, and I guess that we aren't able to spend 200m each summer, but occasionally we can (then spend rationally in the following year). Like what happened in the last 2 years (a big summer spend, then a normal one).
We can definitely spend over 100m each year though, and with the money increasing, maybe even more.
Apparently the number will break £500m due to the Addidas sponsorship deal and new PL TV deal. Don't see why we cant spend over £100m a season with this kind of money coming into the club
As a result of these accounting shenanigans, clubs often look at EBITDA (Earnings Before Interest, Depreciation and Amortisation) for a better idea of underlying profitability. On this basis, United are the undisputed champions, as their operations have produced enormous cash flow over the years.
Despite a fall in 2014/15 from £130 million to £120 million, this is still substantially more than other clubs, e.g. Arsenal’s EBITDA of £64 million is only around half of United’s, while Manchester City’s 2013/14 figure was also much lower at £75 million. Indeed, United are projecting an astonishing £165-175 million of EBITDA for 2015/16.
Despite a fall in 2014/15 from £130 million to £120 million, this is still substantially more than other clubs, e.g. Arsenal’s EBITDA of £64 million is only around half of United’s, while Manchester City’s 2013/14 figure was also much lower at £75 million. Indeed, United are projecting an astonishing £165-175 million of EBITDA for 2015/16.
http://swissramble.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/manchester-united-what-difference-does.html
Pogba-Kante-Schwein in a midfield 3.
IMO buying Pogba is not the solution to all our problems. We need a playmaker who works hard like Modric or 2013 Gundogan.
From what I know Mourinho firmly believes that controlling the midfield is equivalent to controlling the game and Pogba is not the player to do that. His playing style and his stats both show that passing forwards and controlling the tempo of a game are not his inherent strengths.
Pjanic is definitely a player in that mould but he doesn't work hard enough defensively much like Fabregas.
IMO more than Pogba we need a player like Veratti and he wouldn't cost as much as Pogba either and would just need convincing to move to United.
From what I know Mourinho firmly believes that controlling the midfield is equivalent to controlling the game and Pogba is not the player to do that. His playing style and his stats both show that passing forwards and controlling the tempo of a game are not his inherent strengths.
Pjanic is definitely a player in that mould but he doesn't work hard enough defensively much like Fabregas.
IMO more than Pogba we need a player like Veratti and he wouldn't cost as much as Pogba either and would just need convincing to move to United.
Veratti would probably cost more as PSG don't need the money at all and he is a vital player for them
I don't think Juve NEED to sell Pogba either and he's definitely a vital player as well. Yes they need to cover costs for their stadium but there's no urgency to cash in on him this summer.
In Verrattis case I think it's more about convincing the player rather than the club.
Man City will break the world recird on him.
If we're going to play with a midfield enforcer like Schneiderlin, Matic, etc, as opposed to a deep lying playmaker like Carrick, Alonso, etc, then I think its important we have someone playing deep who can control a game.
This is why I feel Pogba, whether the rumours are true or not, would be an ideal partner next to Schneiderlin. It would be similar to what Mourinho played at Chelsea with Matic and Fabregas.
If not Pogba, then we should definately be looking for someone of the same ilk.
This is why I feel Pogba, whether the rumours are true or not, would be an ideal partner next to Schneiderlin. It would be similar to what Mourinho played at Chelsea with Matic and Fabregas.
If not Pogba, then we should definately be looking for someone of the same ilk.
Agreed. Although his performances for the french side suggest he could and maybe should be given a chance to play CM and see if he can learn that position.
He's not really a player maker is he though? He's more box to box..... he'd be ideal next to someone like Kroos or Carrick for me
For games where we'll look to sit deep and launch attacks on the counter:
For games where we'll look to control possession and take the game to the opposition:
Schneiderlin Blind
Pogba
Pogba
For games where we'll look to control possession and take the game to the opposition:
Schneiderlin
Herrera ---- Pogba
Along with a front 3 of Martial, Ibra and a RW, along with Rashford as first sub would be cracking.Herrera ---- Pogba
Honestly don't think he would go to Man City, gut feeling. He doesn't seem to hate United at all and doesn't really say much against us. I've a feeling he still likes United enough not to go to their rivals. I could be very wrong though, only time will tell.
I don't get what you're asking. He plays in a box to box role, but he still operates as playmaker, if that makes sense? Like how Scholes was, or Modric, etc.
Actually, what worries me about Pogba is his work rate. He seems a bit lazy when it comes to defending, hence why we would need a Schneiderlin/Matic type next to him.
I think what he is saying is that he isn't interpreting his box-to-box role like Scholes did or Modric does - something that I'm inclined to agree with him. Pogba isn't able to orchestrate the game with his playmaking skills (at least yet). He has all of the needed technical attributes and he is capable of some mindblowing passes, but he isn't a playmaker. Like Herrera, actually, but on a different level skill and talent-wise, of course
Our sponsors will be demanding such signings. Say we somehow sold Rooney to China. Who is then fronting the advertising campaigns for the club? It sounds stupid but that's exactly why they give us hundreds of millions...to have world class players wearing our shirts and that's exactly why we have been offering record breaking sums for the past few summers!