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Do you want Pogba for £100 million?

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Attila said:
Can't see how you would fit Benzema, Ronaldo, Bale, Pogba, Kroos, Modric into the same team or drop any of them without them becoming unhappy. You need a defensive player like Casemiro in there surely
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It's madness really. Zidane is smart because he knows buying pogba and giving him the contract he desires will upset the likes of modric and kross who are defintely not earning 200,000+.

I do believe pogba might end up here but my biggest concern is the fear of dimaria part 2. Dimaria really disrespected this club the way he left. Also sold him for much less than we bought him. Pogba might do the same given he has a twat of an agent.
 
Was confident we were in with a chance earlier on with Di Marzio and other reliable Journos coming out. Not as confident anymore with us being linked to other midfielders and the rumours becoming less prominent. Don't see it happening.
 
I hope we have a back up plan, we never seem to do with the huge transfers that don't come off.
 
Wonder if the Madrid Pogba deal depends on James moving to PSG for an inflated fee.
 
So I haven't been keeping up with your transfer dealings much so I have to ask...

Are you guys selling a few of your midfielders to make room for a potential Pogba transfer? Like, are any of your current guys being shopped around?

I'm struggling to think of how you accommodate Pogba, Mkhitaryan, and Rooney in the same midfield when they all play in the same area (#10ish). You know Rooney ain't getting benched as the face of the club, the captain, and after José has coveted him for so long. That means he has to play in midfield, yes? If he and Pogba are in the middle of the pitch, who's doing the leg work as the DM? Seems like top teams could have their way with that pairing.

That leaves Fellaini, Herrera, Schweiny, Blind, and Schneiderlin. Are a couple of them simply never going to play?
 
Sorry if I'm lagging behind a bit but it's rare to read such a sensible post on this thread. Couldn't agree more. And would like to add that the likes of Neymar, Messi, Ronaldo et al would probably all cost closer to €200m. Half that for Pogba seems within the boundaries of normality to me.

StanleyCupboard said:
A player's worth is not defined by simply how good they are, other than in very broad terms (i.e. Pogba is worth more than Huddlestone), but by what the market dictates. If United are willing to spend £100m on this player, then that is their worth. And their worth is more than just how they play, but also their marketability, influence on the club as a whole (does their presence inspire others to join?), and how their performances improve the financials of the club (such as winning trophies). It's stupid to accuse a player of not being "worth" that much, because by the very definition of paying it then it becomes their worth. United will pay what the market demands of them for the players they think will improve that position, so the only true question is: does that player improve that position or not? And the answer is quite clearly, yes. Whether or not other players would improve it more is a moot point and something for your lurid fanfiction.

I apologise for contributing to this insurmountably dull discussion.
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I can see mourinho using Rooney in an even deeper role and as part of a double pivot with Pogba in front of them.
 
Orc said:
So I haven't been keeping up with your transfer dealings much so I have to ask...

Are you guys selling a few of your midfielders to make room for a potential Pogba transfer? Like, are any of your current guys being shopped around?

I'm struggling to think of how you accommodate Pogba, Mkhitaryan, and Rooney in the same midfield when they all play in the same area (#10ish). You know Rooney ain't getting benched as the face of the club, the captain, and after José has coveted him for so long. That means he has to play in midfield, yes? If he and Pogba are in the middle of the pitch, who's doing the leg work as the DM? Seems like top teams could have their way with that pairing.

That leaves Fellaini, Herrera, Schweiny, Blind, and Schneiderlin. Are a couple of them simply never going to play?
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Mata is most likely gone.

But from reports Mourinho wants to play 433.

So my guess is Pogba/Rooney as box to box midfielders(if Pogba is signed). Mkh on the right with Ibra up top and Martial on the left. Not sure who the DM will be(most likely Carrick I suppose).
 
P-Nut0712 said:
I can see mourinho using Rooney in an even deeper role and as part of a double pivot with Pogba in front of them.
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Eddy_JukeZ said:
Mata is most likely gone.

But from reports Mourinho wants to play 433.

So my guess is Pogba/Rooney as box to box midfielders(if Pogba is signed). Mkh on the right with Ibra up top and Martial on the left. Not sure who the DM will be(most likely Carrick I suppose).
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And doesn't that worry you? Two older, slow, highly declined players in Rooney and Carrick in the middle of the pitch.
 
Orc said:
And doesn't that worry you? Two older, slow, highly declined players in Rooney and Carrick in the middle of the pitch.
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I wouldn't mind Carrick if he was protected by Pogba and Schneiderlin/Herrera in midfield. I think Carrick although declined is still more serviceable than Rooney.

But yes I don't want Rooney to play in midfield. If it was up to me, I'd not play him at all honestly. I just think he's done.

How Mourinho handles the Rooney situation will probably make or break his 1st season(and possibly his tenure).
 
This season Müller, Bale, Neymar, etc...it is not happening people. Let just accept our midfield general Wayne Rooney and hope we can perform well around that. Rooney did well towards the end of last season, so he may continue upon those performance.
 
Orc said:
And doesn't that worry you? Two older, slow, highly declined players in Rooney and Carrick in the middle of the pitch.
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I don't personally see him playing Rooney and Carrick together. I think he'll use Rooney as the dictator from deep with a Schniderlin type sat next to him. Rooney still gets around the pitch quite well and as we know he will be playing for a while at least I see this as the best position for him.

Just a question but why do people feel that the manager who dropped hazard, Costa etc will feel the need to constantly play Rooney if he isn't performing? Is it just because LVG and Moyes did?
 
P-Nut0712 said:
I don't personally see him playing Rooney and Carrick together. I think he'll use Rooney as the dictator from deep with a Schniderlin type sat next to him. Rooney still gets around the pitch quite well and as we know he will be playing for a while at least I see this as the best position for him.

Just a question but why do people feel that the manager who dropped hazard, Costa etc will feel the need to constantly play Rooney if he isn't performing? Is it just because LVG and Moyes did?
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Hazard was dropped for maybe a game or a half once or twice. Costa I can't recall ever being dropped purely due to form. Completely different to Rooney who is your talisman, captain, highest earner, and close to becoming your all-time leading scorer.

Not to mention he's your marketing poster boy and most famous player. Would be a bit starnge to have him on the bench.
 
This is a weird one because unlike other potential muppet signings that ended in heartbreak and depression (Thiago, Sneijder, Ozil etc), I won't feel sad at all. I'm impartial on this because if he chooses Madrid, I have a feeling Jose will bring in a top notch midfielder anyway (Kroos or Kante). I don't get the sense that its Pogba or bust for the club.
 
I'm at the stage where I'm tempted to say feck Pogba. You wait for Madrid and see if they will ever match Juve's valuation. If you're lucky they may put a bid in when your contract runs down but you only signed that contract last year.
Leaving years ago and now we're begging him to come back, I've really soured to this idea.
 
Utd7 said:
This is a weird one because unlike other potential muppet signings that ended in heartbreak and depression (Thiago, Sneijder, Ozil etc), I won't feel sad at all. I'm impartial on this because if he chooses Madrid, I have a feeling Jose will bring in a top notch midfielder anyway (Kroos or Kante). I don't get the sense that its Pogba or bust for the club.
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If Kroos becomes available other clubs will be all over him. Kante is an odd one, no-one seems to be making much noise about him.
 
Martial'sgaze said:
If Mourinho ever thought he could persuade him to come back then I am sorry to say he was deluded.Should have signed Sanches and Pjanic and used them in a midfield 3 with a tall defensive midfielder. Use the money and time to build the squard elsewhere.
He is never coming back,most definitely Madrid bound and the feckers will sell us Rodriguez at an exorbitant price ,conniving with Mendes to defraud us.
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Sanchez was not in control of Mourinho and if Pjanic was bought we'd still be looking at a DM.
 
Orc said:
Hazard was dropped for maybe a game or a half once or twice. Costa I can't recall ever being dropped purely due to form. Completely different to Rooney who is your talisman, captain, highest earner, and close to becoming your all-time leading scorer.

Not to mention he's your marketing poster boy and most famous player. Would be a bit starnge to have him on the bench.
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Throw John Terry in there aswell if you like. Zlatan will be the clubs shiny new toy to parade around for marketing reasons. Plus we've just got the most marketable manager on the planet. Marketing reasons for playing Rooney are quickly diminishing. Mourinho will drop anyone he doesn't feel are contributing to the cause enough.
 
Orc said:
Hazard was dropped for maybe a game or a half once or twice. Costa I can't recall ever being dropped purely due to form. Completely different to Rooney who is your talisman, captain, highest earner, and close to becoming your all-time leading scorer.

Not to mention he's your marketing poster boy and most famous player. Would be a bit starnge to have him on the bench.
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He dropped Hazard, Oscar, Matic, Cahill, Fabregas and even the captain, talisman Terry in a highly public manner during half-time against Man City.

The only player he didn't drop, bizarrely, was Ivanovic.

Hopefully, Jose doesn't think of Rooney as his second wife like he did Ivanovic.
 
mbb8 said:
He dropped Hazard, Oscar, Matic, Cahill, Fabregas and even the captain, talisman Terry in a highly public manner during half-time against Man City.

The only player he didn't drop, bizarrely, was Ivanovic.

Hopefully, Jose doesn't think of Rooney as his second wife like he did Ivanovic.
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It was quite incredible that no matter what, Ivanovic got complete faith at right back despite being utter wank every game.
 
Marca is saying that Madrid want to sign Gomes. And I believe that they are more reliable than the english press.
 
Only a newb here, but for me it's all about getting extremely competitive again. In my humble opinion it was not that long ago United were in champions league semis, winning the league etc. In this world where Byern gets every German and others and Barca and Real suck every other top player up, we have to do some stupid shite like risk paying a bazillion euros for Pogba, then get Matuidi(sp?) as well or whoever.....

We have been lacking for too long, our hero SAF left us 3 years ago, we have to go a little bit nuts, flex our financial muscle and roar back on to the stage.
 
Attila said:
Can't see how you would fit Benzema, Ronaldo, Bale, Pogba, Kroos, Modric into the same team or drop any of them without them becoming unhappy. You need a defensive player like Casemiro in there surely
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For a large stretch of the 14/15 season, Ancelotti had this...

-----------Kroos----Modric---------
Bale---------James--------Ronaldo
-----------Benzema----------------

And it worked really well. They went round 25 games unbeaten or something silly like that. Replace James with Pogba and you can kind of try replicate it. But Casemiro was one of Madrid best players in the second half of last season and gave them balance, so is it worth the risk? Alternatively, they can sell Modric because he will be 31 next season and this is probably the last time they can get any decent money for him. Sales of Modric + James + Morata = more than enough money to fund the Pogba transfer and some change.
 
mbb8 said:
He dropped Hazard, Oscar, Matic, Cahill, Fabregas and even the captain, talisman Terry in a highly public manner during half-time against Man City.

The only player he didn't drop, bizarrely, was Ivanovic.

Hopefully, Jose doesn't think of Rooney as his second wife like he did Ivanovic.
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I'm talking about week in and week out here with Rooney. The players you named were maybe dropped here and there. Matic wasn't dropped by Mou if I recall correctly. It was only after Guus came in that Mikel was preferred. Oscar was injured not dropped. Hazard was dropped for maybe a half or 70 minutes or something. Terry was straight back in the team when fit. The only player that was actually dropped by Mou was Cahill.

When I ask about Rooney, I'm questioning whether José will keep Rooney out of the side. As in use him as a squad player. That I just can't see.

I think he'll still be a nailed on, first choice player. Any of you who think he'll drop Rooney for an extended period are in for a surprise. I can foresee a lot of "why won't José drop Rooney?!" and "Rooney won't be dropped because José loves him" posts here this season.
 
RedStarUnited said:
For a large stretch of the 14/15 season, Ancelotti had this...

-----------Kroos----Modric---------
Bale---------James--------Ronaldo
-----------Benzema----------------

And it worked really well. They went round 25 games unbeaten or something silly like that. Replace James with Pogba and you can kind of try replicate it. But Casemiro was one of Madrid best players in the second half of last season and gave them balance, so is it worth the risk? Alternatively, they can sell Modric because he will be 31 next season and this is probably the last time they can get any decent money for him. Sales of Modric + James + Morata = more than enough money to fund the Pogba transfer and some change.
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That team didn't work too well, especially for Bale. They never struck a perfect balance. Bale was also used in a more central role with James swapped to right wing. Isco to right wing. Isco in #10 Modric in #10...

Casemiro brought the balance. Would throw them in same mess removing Casemiro to add Pogba. They would need to sacrifice either Modric or Kroos. Modric won't get a high price due to his age.

The problem with your stats is that it's without context. They did Okay, but unconvincing considering the quality of their team on paper vs their opponent. Compare Real to Barcelona, the performance is a world apart, that's unacceptable considering the investment they put into this. In key games later on, the problem in the balance showed.

It's like with LVG first season where we on the run of winning streak. It masked the performance using the stats alone without context. IIRC Someone pointed out if cut a certain portion LVG first season, result wise, we had streak that's closely matched that of Chelsea's the champion that season.
 
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ti vu said:
That team didn't work too well, especially for Bale. They never struck a perfect balance. Bale was also used in a more central role with James swapped to right wing. Isco to right wing. Isco in #10 Modric in #10...

Casemiro brought the balance. Would throw them in same mess removing Casemiro to add Pogba. They would need to sacrifice either Modric or Kroos. Modric won't get a high price due to his age.
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How much do you think modrić would go for? I'd wager at around the 40 million mark if not higher.
 
Madrid could easily wait another year, then Pogba just has two years left on his contract at Juve and he'll be 25 with a year left. Seems like Pogba and his agent price themselves out each year. Pogba should be earning treble or quadruple the wages he's on now.
 
Orc said:
I'm talking about week in and week out here with Rooney. The players you named were maybe dropped here and there. Matic wasn't dropped by Mou if I recall correctly. It was only after Guus came in that Mikel was preferred. Oscar was injured not dropped. Hazard was dropped for maybe a half or 70 minutes or something. Terry was straight back in the team when fit. The only player that was actually dropped by Mou was Cahill.

When I ask about Rooney, I'm questioning whether José will keep Rooney out of the side. As in use him as a squad player. That I just can't see.

I think he'll still be a nailed on, first choice player. Any of you who think he'll drop Rooney for an extended period are in for a surprise. I can foresee a lot of "why won't José drop Rooney?!" and "Rooney won't be dropped because José loves him" posts here this season.
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what? They were all dropped. Problem is their replacement were shite. Zouma got injured so Terry was back in. Cahill was horrible was Terry was back in. Mikel was shite so Matic was back in.

the entire squad was shite so the players had plenty of chances to get back into the team.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...-Costa-John-Terry-and-Branislav-Ivanovic.html

clearly, Jose dropped players. The issue was the squad was so thin, the replacements couldn't hold down their spots.

here, hopefully, players like Herrera, Schniderlin, Schweinstiger will be able to keep Rooney out
 
redshaw said:
Madrid could easily wait another year, then Pogba just has two years left on his contract at Juve and he'll be 25 with a year left. Seems like Pogba and his agent price themselves out each year. Pogba should be earning treble or quadruple the wages he's on now.
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Pogba is on 4.5 million euros after tax, there is no team that'll triple or quadruple his wages.
 
roonster09 said:
Pogba is on 4.5 million euros after tax, there is no team that'll triple or quadruple his wages.
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Are you aware that 4.5m euros is £72k a week?

You do know some players are already on around 260k or more a week right? United have paid Falcao 260k a week. We pay Rooney 300k a week.

Pogba's wages are going to be around 230k-260k

Some quick maths
72 x 3 is 216k
72 x 4 is 288

You don't think any club can't treble his wages? Plenty can, 216k a week is not much.
 
kenny19 said:
It's madness really. Zidane is smart because he knows buying pogba and giving him the contract he desires will upset the likes of modric and kross who are defintely not earning 200,000+.

I do believe pogba might end up here but my biggest concern is the fear of dimaria part 2. Dimaria really disrespected this club the way he left. Also sold him for much less than we bought him. Pogba might do the same given he has a twat of an agent.
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This, and the DDG saga, the major reason that I do not want their agent anywhere near to Old Trafford.
 
redshaw said:
Are you aware that 4.5m euros is £72k a week?

You do know some players are already on around 260k or more a week right? United have paid Falcao 260k a week. We pay Rooney 300k a week.

Pogba's wages are going to be around 230k-260k

Some quick maths
72 x 3 is 216k
72 x 4 is 288

You don't think any club can't treble his wages? Plenty can, 216k a week is not much.
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Thats net wages. Pogba is on close to 150K per week (gross)
 
CS@SG said:
This, and the DDG saga, the major reason that I do not want their agent anywhere near to Old Trafford.
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Bit late for that, we've been working with Mendes for ages, and with Mourinho on board that's unlikely to change, even if we haven't taken on any of his clients yet this summer.
 
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