Absolutely and the media have done a first class job of doing so.
Paul Pogba / turned down United offer of 300k as “nothing”
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You're right, my bad. But I stand by my point, creativity is not the measure of good/average/bad midfielder. It'll always depend on the system. I have no problem with not-so-creative midfielders if they do the job right, and provide a good base for the team. I don't think Pogba does that and him being very creative doesn't nullify other flaws he has as a midfielder. It's totally different when he plays in more advanced positions.Creativity and assists aren't the same thing. You know that right?
No they aren't. That's my point?
Always happy to educate.
I know management and players never say a bad word about him, but I think they are just toeing the line. The fact both he and his agent have publicly stated on one more than one occassion his intent to leave, that must cause issues. Remember Pogba has openly said this also, it's not all just his agent. I know as a fan that shit hurts. I'd imagine players who are busting their balls to succeed at Utd look at one of our most highly paid players constantly being linked with leaving and must hurt them also. Pogba himself, back in 2019 season publicly said, it might be time for him to leave, that's how long this shit has been going on. It's one thing if like Ronaldo who we knew wanted to leave also, but he was tearing it up on the pitch, but Pogba hasn't. We are all just guessing here, we won't know for sure until someone writes a book about it in a few yrs time
Managers and players have gone out of their way to heap praise upon him, not just toeing the line when questioned.
You can want to go to a new job and still get on very well with your current colleagues and employers. To me it seems thats basically Pogba. I still think he'd stay too, so it's not as if he hates us, as much as people seemingly want him to?
That's not exactly fair though. There can be numerous factors behind him wanting to move, such as playing in a position he finds most comfortable, wanting to experience more in his career, and if we're honest, standing more of a chance of winning a CL (the team they are building there seems to definitely be assembled for the short-term immediate ambition of winning the CL).
I never said that it was an exclusive measure for a player. It's part of it, depending on the role of the player. That's why no one mentions creativity or goals when speaking about Kante because, yes, he's a defensive player. But with Pogba, he is critiqued for his defensive contribution his creativity, his goals; he's expected to contribute and be responsible for every aspect of a midfielder. You'll see him criticized for those very things in just the last few pages of this thread. That same level for scrutiny isn't levied at everyone.
Where in my post I said I believe a tiniest bit of that?
As if Liverpool will pay Pogba £350k a week..
He wants £400k+ pw, doesn't he? Also, the thought of Pogba swanning about in a Klopp midfield is rather amusing.
Even worse then, yeah it’s nearly laughable to think of Pogba been involved in Klopp’s high pressure press..
He did not sold him though. Offered a contract which would have made him one of the highest paid teenagers in the world (and higher than what he got at Juve), but Pogba declined it.
Imagine the confused little empty heads on RAWK if Pogba went there 
What would it do to Souness if Pogba joined Liverpool?
Seriously we CANNOT sign any player represented by Raiola again.
Seriously we CANNOT sign any player represented by Raiola again.
exactly, almost like it's forced, that's the way it seems to me. Again we don't really know, we can only guess. But when his agent is talking crap before a big european game for example, I'd imagine that doesn't sit well with the team. It must also causes issues when they know what he can do on a pitch yet we don't consistently see it. As a fan it's infuriating. Top players often bring drama, but it's offset by their performances, we've really only got the drama with a glimpse of performances now and again. Take the recent euros, some of his teammates weren't too happy with him, maybe our players should react a bit more like that to him than go "out of their way" to praise him.
Except for Haaland!
Raiola is one of the most despicable cretins in world football. Also, not happy with the fact that Pogba lets him to it.
I would love to see Pogba do the gegenpressing carthorse work that Wijnaldum, Milner or Henderson does for the team
Raiola is such a whore
This is a non starter, but just for the sake of it; Think our best paid players make 200k pw. There’s is no scenario where we sign Pogba and pay him double that or even close to it. And while he fits the bill of the kind of player I’d like to add to our midfield, I could never see him and Klopp working together.
this is so obvious.. desperate attempt to get more money be threatening to go to a rival.. Cheslea would have made more sense..
No one is buying the Liverpool link.. imagine Pogba trying to "gegenpress"
No one is buying the Liverpool link.. imagine Pogba trying to "gegenpress"
United used your exact same logic to offer contracts to Jones, Rojo and Bailly. Pay stupid money to players who aren’t good enough as even squad players, to only get surprised that it became impossible to sell them.
If we do that with Lingard, we are going to get stuck with him till the end of his contract.
I don't like Raiola as much as the next guy but this idea that he's acting out on his own is fanciful.
He's carrying out the wishes of the player. If Pogba took issue with how Raiola conducts himself, all of this would've been shut down years ago, Pogba would've signed a new deal and changed agents.
He's carrying out the wishes of the player. If Pogba took issue with how Raiola conducts himself, all of this would've been shut down years ago, Pogba would've signed a new deal and changed agents.
Is anyone disputing that at this point? He works for Pogba, Pogba calls the shots.
he was offered to City back in 2018, now possibly Liverpool as well, laugable.
If the stall in contract talks is all about money, then I think we should cash in now. Another big contract for him won't stop this circus, which occurs every single transfer window.
He's not done much during his time here to justify another pay rise. I'm not doubting his quality, but it's so inconsistent and the baggage that's with him, it just feels like a massive chore.
He's not done much during his time here to justify another pay rise. I'm not doubting his quality, but it's so inconsistent and the baggage that's with him, it just feels like a massive chore.
feck me that’s some spin. Why the feck would some players just randomly big up a teammate when not even questioned about him? Who the feck do you think is “forcing” them?
It does seem vanishingly unlikely. Raiola will also be looking for a mega signing fee for bringing Pogba on a free transfer to wherever he ends up (I think he personally made €20m off the Donnarumma deal).
There are plenty saying we should never buy a Raiola player again. As I say, I don't like him, but the implication that it's driven by him is wrong.
It was never driven by Raiola unilaterally. At the very least, PP consents to it. Worst case, he instigates it.
Regardless of whether these shenanigans are driven by Pogba or not, we should never buy a Raiola player again. It's never good news with Raiola once the player has joined your team.
If Pogba wants over £400k a week, he and his agent can do one. If no club is willing to pay £50-60 million this summer, United should let him leave for free next summer. It's more important that we keep our wage structure under control, just look what's happening at Barca. Maguire and Bruno, our two most important players, should be paid the most in our squad. If we start handing silly money out to Pogba, it will create all sorts of problems in the squad.
feck me that’s some spin. Why the feck would some players just randomly big up a teammate when not even questioned about him? Who the feck do you think is “forcing” them?
not too hard to work that one mate, use your brain ffs.
I can't help but feel some will change their tune if there's a big striker shaped hole in our team next year and Haaland is attainable.
£60m and he’s all yours dippers. Will drive him to YAWN stadium myself.
Liverpool can't afford him nor does he suit them. But I wouldn't put it fast the cuntface to try even this.You'd like to think United have been aware Pogba might want to leave when his contract expires for the last 2 seasons...and have planned accordingly.
"Anyone of that quality" - Check
"Doesn't always do it" - Check
"Change our playing style to unlock him" - Check
"Get him a partner to bring about his good qualities" - Check
Yes, I think we are talking about Paul Pogba.