It isnt just our fanbase, just the other day same happened to Tammy Abraham. In a globalised world with every feckwit having access to the internet, this happens when people are scumbags and have nothing to do in their life. It is a sad state of humanity, i think most top clubs have this issue online with large fanbases. Probably every football club even. Posting something on social media wont eradicate this issue unfortunately, heavier steps need to be made because some idiots dont get it
Paul Pogba racially abused on social media
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It isnt just our fanbase, just the other day same happened to Tammy Abraham. In a globalised world with every feckwit having access to the internet, this happens when people are scumbags and have nothing to do in their life. It is a sad state of humanity, i think most top clubs have this issue online with large fanbases. Probably every football club even. Posting something on social media wont eradicate this issue unfortunately, heavier steps need to be made because some idiots dont get it
Doesn’t mean idiots can be excused for taking his professional opinion (of which he does have a big platform like you said) and twisting it in their own vile racist way.
I really don’t like the ‘it was his fault’ or if ‘she didn’t say this’ argument. At the end of the day those spineless idiots with deep rooted issues of their own need to be held accountable. Nobody else.
I cant believe that happened, but Im not surprised.
Ill be at the game on Saturday and Im hoping we get a good chant going for Pogba to show our support for him.
Ill be at the game on Saturday and Im hoping we get a good chant going for Pogba to show our support for him.
Well if Pogba wants to leave some idiots just put bullets in his gun...
I don’t care what anyone says the negative effects of social media far outweigh the positive. You basically give stupidity a free voice to spread itself worldwide.
Blaming Gary Neville for this is a bit of a stretch though. Maybe this will teach him to think before opening his mouth.
Every cloud has a silver lining...
I don’t care what anyone says the negative effects of social media far outweigh the positive. You basically give stupidity a free voice to spread itself worldwide.
Blaming Gary Neville for this is a bit of a stretch though. Maybe this will teach him to think before opening his mouth.
Every cloud has a silver lining...
What's the chance it's Russian trolls?
United has such a diverse following and I can't remember race being a real issue in the last few decades for our players. Or is a growing minority of racists just having voice because of social media?
United has such a diverse following and I can't remember race being a real issue in the last few decades for our players. Or is a growing minority of racists just having voice because of social media?
Wow. Just wow.
It's the second one
True that. His last shitty rant was a huge factor in delaying cuntbag Mourinho's sacking.
I kind of understanding where you are coming from, although I still think it is quite defensive (although understandable). I think the issue comes from the difficulty in separating a racist (a feeling of superiority) from societies sub-conscious biases that lead to racial stereotypes/views. Most people I have encountered fall in the latter. The simple fact though is unless this is discussed, the debate regarding racism goes no where. Disagree with your last 2 sentences, but quite interesting to read that as you put it, discussing a racial issue (regardless of the undertone) can be seen as "picking a fight".
It is precisely for situations like this missed penalty that fans are needed to SUPPORT.
Hatespeech racists can go flush themselves down the toilet. Everyone needs to take a stand against this crap, to silence and ridicule the racist trolls.
If the social media companys won't do what's needed, then the users of the social media needs to act. If you talked pro-nazi a couple of decades ago society would soon make you regret that. Same should be for hatespeech racist trollshits.
Kudos to MacQywer for being a leader, also in social media when needed there.
I hope Pog stays and have great success at United. Because he is one fantastic player, even though he is a little bit up and down in performance.
Hatespeech racists can go flush themselves down the toilet. Everyone needs to take a stand against this crap, to silence and ridicule the racist trolls.
If the social media companys won't do what's needed, then the users of the social media needs to act. If you talked pro-nazi a couple of decades ago society would soon make you regret that. Same should be for hatespeech racist trollshits.
Kudos to MacQywer for being a leader, also in social media when needed there.
I hope Pog stays and have great success at United. Because he is one fantastic player, even though he is a little bit up and down in performance.
I do think the majority of those few doing it on Twitter are probably not even in the UK or older than 16. Maguire is right that there should be more accountability on there. You should still be able to make an account under any name and have your profile pic as whatever but Twitter should be able to check who you are if you do shit like this. It’s vile.
Predictably disgusting from the cesspit that is social media. Back when I was getting to know the internet in the early 2000s you'd see this sort of shit in the online equivalent of the wild west, obscure forums which the vast majority of people would never see it and where no-one except for the admin of that particular forum had any ability to address it. You wouldn't see it anywhere the average internet user was likely to go.
Nowadays most of the internet (in the west anyway) exists on 4 websites (Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, YouTube), all of which are multi-billion dollar businesses who could comfortably employ thousands of moderators without denting their profits. It's absolutely inexcusable that the sort of racism that used to be hidden away in dark corners is now plastered all over websites used by a majority of the world population. Our society is racist enough without racists, and impressionable young folks having access to a community of millions of racists on their favourite social media site.
The Neville angle is a non-story for me. I watched the analysis at the time and whilst he was a little overzealous (which you can understand as a United fan after a hugely frustrating result), it didn't come across particularly as criticism of Pogba to me, more criticism of Ole, or the team, for not designating a penalty taker.
Nowadays most of the internet (in the west anyway) exists on 4 websites (Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, YouTube), all of which are multi-billion dollar businesses who could comfortably employ thousands of moderators without denting their profits. It's absolutely inexcusable that the sort of racism that used to be hidden away in dark corners is now plastered all over websites used by a majority of the world population. Our society is racist enough without racists, and impressionable young folks having access to a community of millions of racists on their favourite social media site.
The Neville angle is a non-story for me. I watched the analysis at the time and whilst he was a little overzealous (which you can understand as a United fan after a hugely frustrating result), it didn't come across particularly as criticism of Pogba to me, more criticism of Ole, or the team, for not designating a penalty taker.
Leaving aside for a second the fact that racial abuse is beyond neanderthal in its mentality and says way more about the person using it than any person it is aimed at...
1. What sort of pathetic child like behaviour is it to criticise a player of our club for missing a penalty full stop? Grow the hell up and learn to deal with your emotions like a grown up.
2. Our penalty taker system is BS and I don't like it at all, Rashford has never missed so until he does nobody else should be anywhere near penalties. I blame Ole for that unfortunately.
3. See 1
Im continually embarrassed by the modern age so called fan of our club, some of you seem to be inhabiting these forums unfortunately, you embarrass us and give rivals clubs fans far more ammunition than Woodward, the Glazers or any of the teams poor performances do.
Makes me want to avoid following United in any way other than going to matches or watching footage on TV, everything else is just awful. So called fan channels on twitter and YouTube for the most part do nothing except help breed the modern day fan who feels a hugely over inflated sense of entitlement.
It's a stain on our club and it's otherwise rich and proud history.
1. What sort of pathetic child like behaviour is it to criticise a player of our club for missing a penalty full stop? Grow the hell up and learn to deal with your emotions like a grown up.
2. Our penalty taker system is BS and I don't like it at all, Rashford has never missed so until he does nobody else should be anywhere near penalties. I blame Ole for that unfortunately.
3. See 1
Im continually embarrassed by the modern age so called fan of our club, some of you seem to be inhabiting these forums unfortunately, you embarrass us and give rivals clubs fans far more ammunition than Woodward, the Glazers or any of the teams poor performances do.
Makes me want to avoid following United in any way other than going to matches or watching footage on TV, everything else is just awful. So called fan channels on twitter and YouTube for the most part do nothing except help breed the modern day fan who feels a hugely over inflated sense of entitlement.
It's a stain on our club and it's otherwise rich and proud history.
I would actually love that - i mean it would never work in practice, but it would be great to take away the anonymity of twitter
Absolutely disgusting. These people behind screens should be brought forward. See how they feel when they are being abused.
Absolute pieces of crap.
Absolute pieces of crap.
This has nothing to do with the discussion of Pogba as a player, or anything else to do with Pogba. Its just scum being scum on a vile media platform.
I don't condone this but Twitter is the social media equivalent of having a party and inviting everybody in your town. Bad things will happen because it's a shit medium.
When you break it down, anybody can comment on your profile. It leaves you highly susceptible to these types of comments. Most people in their everyday lives emotionally shield themselves from the equivalent of this, but online? On a platform with zero moderation that just happens to be trendy? It's just too open.
When you break it down, anybody can comment on your profile. It leaves you highly susceptible to these types of comments. Most people in their everyday lives emotionally shield themselves from the equivalent of this, but online? On a platform with zero moderation that just happens to be trendy? It's just too open.
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In a way it's good for more people to see that hatred out in the open. For folks of color, the tweets and posts are nothing new - same shit different day. And by different day I mean almost everyday. Not always as vitriolic but subtle builds.
How come players getting racially abused on social media is only making the news recently? It’s not a new phenomenon, surely?
The thing is, the media sets the precedent for these type of idiots to go online and racially abuse our footballers.
You have to remember that the majority of these people don't have the brain capacity to analyse situations and form their own opinions. Therefore when you have Neville spouting nonsense about Pogba, it gives these idiots licence to pick their target and attack.
There's been an media agenda when it comes to Pogba from the moment he joined United, so all media outlets (Daily Mail, Sun etc.) are complicit when it comes to these things.
You have to remember that the majority of these people don't have the brain capacity to analyse situations and form their own opinions. Therefore when you have Neville spouting nonsense about Pogba, it gives these idiots licence to pick their target and attack.
There's been an media agenda when it comes to Pogba from the moment he joined United, so all media outlets (Daily Mail, Sun etc.) are complicit when it comes to these things.
Also I'll be going to the game on Saturday. For anyone else that is going, make sure we give him a massive applause as a show of support.
Someone should start a campaign asking these big social media platforms to change the way people join up. ID's should be compulsory at least to authorities.
One word - Anonymity
In previous decades, if one were racist in their minds, they could not utter nonsense in public domain, as they would have been shamed, beaten up and/or arrested for racist abuse.
Social media helps to give an anonymous forum for the closet racists to abuse, without the same kind of repercussions.
Yeah, it would be hard to do it in practice, but there has to be some kind of way to punish such behavior. I mean, even now, you can pretty much get to that person through IP address, so this would be just another step.
I think it is more of a question does society or authorities, in general, want this problem to be solved or see it as some important issue to be more correct. If that was the case am pretty sure there are ways this could be stopped or at least reduced.
It should go without saying that, if you feel the need to racially abuse anyone for anything, never mind a penalty miss, you have problems. Pathetic really.
For sure. Seeing it all across. Real shame.
We should not feel different than other humans because "we are united". We are all humans, and have all the same idiots in our fanbase, so yes this subject is open for every clubs around the world. Troll or not, words have been said.
I was in the stadium against Pool last year and one of our "fan" (completely drunk) just kept referring Salah as a terrorist and Mane as a slave. A steward was 1 meter from him and made absolutely nothing. I assure you that it was not a troll that time.
Twitter probably worried they'd just have a quarter of their base if they started asking people to be verified to join. They had some financial struggles for a long time as well.
Football's such a chav sport with chav supporters. I'd say Im shocked this still happens, but Im not. Not at all.
Not a fan of forcing identification on the internet as a principle but for a service like twitter you could make it an option to verify your identity and a setting only to see verified individuals. The racists would at least be shouting amongst themselves.
Verification of identity isn't so easy but the government are already quietly making digital id cards so we may see it quite soon.
It amazes me this isn’t a compulsory thing that all social media outlets don’t already adhere to.
How someone can get away with clear racism/homophobia/threatening behaviour etc without a clear and direct punishment is a joke.
I don't blame him for it of course but I was sitting there yesterday thinking, he could easily stop himself here and explain how he feels about the penalty situation in a more thoughtful way. What he did does unfortunately add to the stupid media agenda surrounding Pogba as some kind of spoiled, bratty, Neymar-but-worse-than-Neymar figure.
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How anyone can blame Gary Neville for this is beyond me , absolute nonsense .
You think it’s much better elsewhere? Spain of all places and the Real fanbase around the globe?
I worry that giving companies like Facebook, Reddit and Twitter unfettered access to our passports and driving licences isn't the answer either.
There should be a central database, controlled by the police force of a country to which anybody who wants to open a social media account must register. That way, people retain their anonymity so long as they can play within the rules, but are immediately identifiable when they break them.
Twitter, Reddit and Facebook shouldn't be allowed to decide anything with relation to this. It should simply be made law that a social media account cannot exist without that central registration.
There should be a central database, controlled by the police force of a country to which anybody who wants to open a social media account must register. That way, people retain their anonymity so long as they can play within the rules, but are immediately identifiable when they break them.
Twitter, Reddit and Facebook shouldn't be allowed to decide anything with relation to this. It should simply be made law that a social media account cannot exist without that central registration.
Yeah, and put some chips in everyone so the police can always know where they are. And 24 hour recording of what people say and do. F#ck liberty. That's the way to go!!!!
Disgusting way to behave. These morons are stuck in the dark ages.
Apparently RedCafe is a Post-Racist space where race isn’t a thing but. . . this [to me] is not surprising.
The distain for this guy on his own clubs fanbase has always been about more than his performances.
The distain for this guy on his own clubs fanbase has always been about more than his performances.
Love how the players have come out in support of Pogba. Maguire doing it first speaks volumes about the kind of guy he is.
Oh and the club should find those idiots and ban them for life.
Oh and the club should find those idiots and ban them for life.