Ours are far worse. This abuse is aimed at our own players, can't imagine how bad it would be if they aimed it at a rival player.
Paul Pogba racially abused on social media
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Ours are far worse. This abuse is aimed at our own players, can't imagine how bad it would be if they aimed it at a rival player.
Wonderful Post.
I've spent far too long explaining this to people in the UK. Racism is not simply shouting the N word at someone.
Racists are the worst scum.
Glad the players and club seem to have each others back moreso than many fans
Neville made them post racist vile? Can you not see how this doesn't make any sense at all?
Racism is just ignorance.
Go join the Army like I did and be surrounded by various people of various cultures and religions. When you have to put your life in another's care you get a measure of that person. Realize great people come from all cultures and religions. Realize some scumbags come from all religions and cultures.
Humanity is wonderful varied, beautiful and at times ugly, but learn to judge each on their own merits or faults.
Missing a pen is hardly a capital offense.
Go join the Army like I did and be surrounded by various people of various cultures and religions. When you have to put your life in another's care you get a measure of that person. Realize great people come from all cultures and religions. Realize some scumbags come from all religions and cultures.
Humanity is wonderful varied, beautiful and at times ugly, but learn to judge each on their own merits or faults.
Missing a pen is hardly a capital offense.
As long as social media accounts are anonymous, this kind of thing will unfortunately keep on happening.
Ask for a official picture ID when setting up a Twitter or Facebook account and watch 90% of racist vitriol disappear.
Ask for a official picture ID when setting up a Twitter or Facebook account and watch 90% of racist vitriol disappear.
The feck are you on about?
He misses Smalling so he's got it in for Harry.
He wanted Smalling to take it.
Bet Smalling would've done that.
Its not going to stop. Doesnt matter which club, if a player of colour makes a mistake and they have social media, they'll be attacked.
Its mostly foreign/rival/troll accounts.
Its mostly foreign/rival/troll accounts.
You’re essentially calling good-minded people racists though, that’s the issue. Even if it’s not directly what you’re suggesting, it’s the implication, that’s why people dig their heels in. This is when you start to lose people in the discussion because you’re picking fights with people that are on your side. Ultimately you end up having people who would fight your corner not wanting to get involved.
I don't really have words that would explain or give proper meaning to how sad it makes me feel that racism is still so rampant in the world, instead of trying to put words to that I'll comment on a few issues at the side:
1. I think this sort of stuff is why supporter communities need to have clear zero tolerance rules towards racism. Those who do not understand the aspects like systemic racism (very much like myself before joining the caf) need to be shown how important it is to not only look at the obvious hatred but also look at the actions and inactions that permits racism to stay and grow.
2. While I would love for people to need to identify themselves in order to get to write online I don't think it's easily implemented due to different laws and viewpoints politically around the freedoms of anonymity. I also don't think that it alone would stop people from throwing racist shit out there as there seem to be enough of blatant racism on social media where people write it with their full name in place. Laws would also need changing to make it easier to prosecute people for racism.
3. I agree with Rashford, but on a bigger scale. You don't just attack Manchester United when you are being a racist asshole. You hurt the world community by being racist at all. You are part of what takes lives and ruins them. Holding people back from being happy. And it's a damn shame.
1. I think this sort of stuff is why supporter communities need to have clear zero tolerance rules towards racism. Those who do not understand the aspects like systemic racism (very much like myself before joining the caf) need to be shown how important it is to not only look at the obvious hatred but also look at the actions and inactions that permits racism to stay and grow.
2. While I would love for people to need to identify themselves in order to get to write online I don't think it's easily implemented due to different laws and viewpoints politically around the freedoms of anonymity. I also don't think that it alone would stop people from throwing racist shit out there as there seem to be enough of blatant racism on social media where people write it with their full name in place. Laws would also need changing to make it easier to prosecute people for racism.
3. I agree with Rashford, but on a bigger scale. You don't just attack Manchester United when you are being a racist asshole. You hurt the world community by being racist at all. You are part of what takes lives and ruins them. Holding people back from being happy. And it's a damn shame.
Tbh the people blaming Gary Neville are almost as annoying as the actual bloody racist. Almost.
These people were racist before Neville's rant, and they'll be racist after. Gary Neville is not an excuse for their racist behaviour. They decided to type what they did and post it, not him. They were already that way inclined before Neville so realistically, how can you blame him?
Think people are more shocked/surprised at how much racism there still is in football, including united and are looking at someone or something to attribute blame to. Neville isn't it. Goes further than a stupid rant, goes further than football.
These people were racist before Neville's rant, and they'll be racist after. Gary Neville is not an excuse for their racist behaviour. They decided to type what they did and post it, not him. They were already that way inclined before Neville so realistically, how can you blame him?
Think people are more shocked/surprised at how much racism there still is in football, including united and are looking at someone or something to attribute blame to. Neville isn't it. Goes further than a stupid rant, goes further than football.
I agree here. I think simple assumption most take is that "proper" Racism must have an hateful undertone, but it isn't that straightforward. People tend to think that unless the intention was to hurt someone then it can't be "racist". Probably it's put into the "ignorant" category. I would actually argue that the "ignorant" category is more of an bigger issue. It really brings about the issues of subconscious bias and social conditioning.
Love you, Rob!
This is exactly it. Gary stoked the flames of a fire that was already lit last year. Gary's NOT a racist but how heavily he went in on pogba was all the fuel mindless idiots needed to launch their racist abuse.
This was a new season, a new utd and we needed all of our fans, past and present players to support every single one of those who have stayed to fight for the cause.
Singling pogba out and going to town on him for much of the analysis without the facts contributing massively to the twitter abuse. He used the word 'treachery' whilst he didn't accuse him of it the implications were there and thats all that was needed for mindless idiots to go spouting their racist views.
Gary's not infallible and as a fan and past player emotions are high straight after a game. He needs to temper his reactions, especially when he does not have the facts as they have massive consequences.
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I use to get annoyed when work colleagues not at my level were paid more than me because they were men. This is going back 30 odd years now. I could do nothing about my gender and it has been brilliant to watch how laws have evolved in the work place to even things out. Unfortunately there are still a few mysiogonists on twitter having their say and spreading their hate but people are now condemning them in great numbers which has helped shut them up.
It must be so many times worse to be attacked because of the colour of your skin because whilst historically females were once second class citizens, individuals with darker skin were subjected to such cruelty especially during the slave trade. I think it is right that perpetrators are subjected to the full force of the law because it is the only way you can stamp this out. By making someone accountable for the language/words they use is to educate them that civilized society will not allow such abuse to continue unchecked. Enough is enough.
It must be so many times worse to be attacked because of the colour of your skin because whilst historically females were once second class citizens, individuals with darker skin were subjected to such cruelty especially during the slave trade. I think it is right that perpetrators are subjected to the full force of the law because it is the only way you can stamp this out. By making someone accountable for the language/words they use is to educate them that civilized society will not allow such abuse to continue unchecked. Enough is enough.
Some of the stupiest sentences ive read in a while. There is no almost. Someone calling out someone who has in the past incited hatred towards a player is no where near actual people being racist. These kinds of posts are just beyond stupid.
He was playing his second game. Have a word with yourself.
What a load of utter rubbish,show me a single post that accuses him of racism?
You won't because there aren't any,what people are saying which seemingly keeps going over heads is that the constant scapegoating and venom spewed at Pogba provides some cover in the minds of the worst sections or the fanbase to believe they're justified in shouting whatever dross they can conjure given that someone on national television,an ex player no less, is able to rant nonstop like a madman about his own players weekly without pushback.
Either you're extremely dense or you're willfully trying to skew the discussion another direction with a proclamation like that first sentence
You couldn't of said that any better.. Totally agree.
Show me where I called them racists, if you can’t do that three don’t even bother responding. You’re part of the problem.
Dont forget his other rant when the scheduled Adidas promotional post came up on Pauls social media after Jose got sacked. His agenda has been exposed already and backtracking is no use anymore. he could not hold himself back when the opportunity arised again.
fecking vile bunch of cnuts.
Not gonna go into whole GN MNF post match analysis thing as spark for some fecks to vent but i also find weird that people call that whole segment from last night a criticism, when it clearly wasnt, he was using term and whole vibe in some parts were like Pogba was accused of treason or some shit.
Not gonna go into whole GN MNF post match analysis thing as spark for some fecks to vent but i also find weird that people call that whole segment from last night a criticism, when it clearly wasnt, he was using term and whole vibe in some parts were like Pogba was accused of treason or some shit.
Absolutely shambolic fanbase ours these days, terrible.
He would be right to demand a move as he obviously can't win here... G Neville and his pathetic rants don't help the situation either.
He would be right to demand a move as he obviously can't win here... G Neville and his pathetic rants don't help the situation either.
I genuinely fecking hate people
How many posters here have criticised Pogba for some rather indifferent performances?
Are they then guilty of inciting racism?
Absolute hypocrisy to blame Neville for voicing his opinion.
Racists will use any excuse to vent their vile thoughts while hiding behind their keyboards, it’s not the fault of a football pundit FFS
Are they then guilty of inciting racism?
Absolute hypocrisy to blame Neville for voicing his opinion.
Racists will use any excuse to vent their vile thoughts while hiding behind their keyboards, it’s not the fault of a football pundit FFS
This man is growing on me with each passing day. And I fully agree, use verifications before signing up and then punish such morons. The only way to stop it.
In fact, as soon as you do such thing it will stop as I don't think they would be "brave" enough to write anything after.
Has anybody actually said Gary is a racist? Think most of us have said he is an opinionated gobsh*te who takes every opportunity when he is on Sky, note when he is on Sky, to put the boot into United. On this occasion he has hung Paul Pogba out to dry for basically something that happens pretty regularly, but if you listen to Gary it was beyond disgusting.
As people said it was a ten minute discussion and he drew it out. Unfortunately some idiots took it upon themselves to then go and racially abuse said player and some of them are thick enough to have been driven on by Gary's words.
Agreed 100% mate.
I personally would have been indifferent to Pog leaving this summer - obviously with us replacing him correctly.
But the abuse on social media by trolls, attention singers and just people a bit touched in the head are an absolute disgrace.
But the abuse on social media by trolls, attention singers and just people a bit touched in the head are an absolute disgrace.
Are you serious? Are you really acting like Neville has absolutely no voice? He has a huge platform and a huge group of people who hang on his every word.
Where have I stated people are calling Neville racist.
100%. Compare this to how he would evaluate a different match or club, it's just a completely different world.
He's clearly got it in for Pogba personally. It seems he's been sucked in by the media also, I can understand why many "fans" seem to dislike him also. Everything they've read alongside the Mourinho saga has poisoned their minds to him. I've never known this situation before.
That was my problem with Gary last night. Even my 16-year-old nephew questioned his rant.
Thanks, forgot about that rant. He clearly thinks Pogba is a problem. It's understandable now to see why he said coaching and management was not something he would be interested in the future.
Exactly the point of this discussion is that excessive hatred towards anyone especially when it comes from someone with such influence gives the biggest idiots in society a feeling of empowerment to say whatever crap they want.