Ive literally quoted a different user completely, what are you on about?
You are absolutely insane.
Paul Pogba racially abused on social media
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You are absolutely insane.
You’ve completely lost me, can you please explain how wanting Pogba to leave for his own sanity is selfish? Surely selfish would be wanting him to stay, for the benefit of the team I support? Do you really believe what you just typed out?
It is with everyone though.
Being informed goes to: wider reading,experience,education,race,class,gender,demographic and maybe a whole bunch of other factors too. Media
Opinion can and will often change as a result of recent experience. I could cite several where I questioned my personal feelings after an incident
What the F?
My demographic and background?
It's so sad that you should feel the need to ask a poster that. As if that should preclude them having an opinion.
On that particular topic it would have an influence. If you are the target of abuses or if someone from the same demographic or background is verbally abused because of these traits then you are less likely to just ignore it.
You didn't, go back. It's just a general post.
I'm insane?
Because I've challenged your opinion. Brilliant stuff.Never mind, school holidays are nearly over and you must be looking forward to year 6.
I did not talk about racism in my post, so I'm very confused by your post.
I agree JP.
My issue is that one needs to ask. It's condescending. If someone has a particular political viewpoint then of course there's a whole bunch of factors influencing that.
We don't need to ask, or else everyone will need to be asked. E.G. I don't need to ask you why your are qualified to speak authoritatively on matters French football.Or if you expressed a political opinion on say Brexit, I wouldn't feel the need to ask your race and class first.
It’s obvious why Pogba winds Neville up. For all his limitations as a footballer, Neville had a phenomenal work rate and has an absolutely undying loyalty to the club. Pogba is more or less the opposite, on both counts. Similarly, Rashford and Lingard tick both these boxes so are much less likely to get any stick. Race and background are irrelevant here (I know you didn’t mention race but worth mentioning with the thread that’s in it)
I think the poster is referring to a bias in Neville's tone when speaking about Pogba, which some people believe has enabled the racism.
You didn't, go back. It's just a general post.
I'm insane?
Never mind, school holidays are nearly over and you must be looking forward to year 6.
I quite clearly quoted @Nikelesh Reddy so I really do not understand what you're on about.
Nothing to do with challenging my opinion at all, you just come across as absolutely mental. From literally creating an issue from a question I didn't even ask you to still trying to argue what is or isn't selfish, when it quite clearly isn't selfish. All the while dropping petty little insults which only makes your opinions hold less weight because they sound like they come from an infant. You just come across a bit bizarre.
One needs to ask because very often people make stupid remarks(I have done it myself in the CE forum), if someone suggests that people should ignore these abuses then someone else will ask for more informations, in reality it's a rhetorical question from @SalfordRed18, a question meant to ask for empathy.
@SalfordRed18 and @Inigo Montoya - be civil, please. Thanks.
No, he took a post that didn't talk about racism and not only exclusively made it about racism but asked if I thought that SAF or Mourinho where racist.
I don't think I've not been civil, I'm just dumbfounded by it all.
It's rather conflicted though.
He did nominate Pogba as player of the year immediately after. I'm just not sure about Neville. He's either just too passionate about Utd which in turn leads to a lack of objectivity or his comments are well chosen to provoke debate.
Preach.
Done
The narrative that you responded to jem on the last page was hateful comments towards Pogba that also might have racial background and which is the thread for and causes a stir.
Apart from that I think it's pretty obvious that Neville carries a beef towards Pogba, but that is, IMO, for another reason now what the thread is about.
I think Neville’s opinion on Pogba is no more conflicted than a lot of fans. Including mine, for example. I think he’s a phenomenally talented footballer who can be absolutely infuriating, on and off the pitch.
PS: I can't see anything by NikleshReddy BTW.
Still can't understand why his demographic has anything to do with it
I don't think that it's the reason otherwise Neville would do the same for a lot of players. Personally I think that he has a lot of disdain regarding Pogba because as a 19 years old he decided to leave United when in Neville's eyes, United is everything that a footballer should need.
If I'm correct then I totally understand his feeling because that's how I feel about Ronaldo. The only problem that I have is that I think that as a very public person, he should tone it down because it's not good for United.
Good lad Harry. I agree with him!
Those people will use any excuse to racially abuse another. Pathetic behaviour.
I don't really know much about his 'off pitch' activities. I don't follow him outside of football.
He won't be the first talented footballer who infuriated fans. I grew up in the era of George Best, he infuriated,inspired and eventually saddened me so Pogba isn' going to have the same effect
I’m referring to his flirting with Madrid.
No, Jem responded to my post in which I said that I don't think that Neville is racist. From that point there was no racism in our conversation. Maybe you missed the start of the convo which gives sense to your post.
He didn't flirt with Madrid.
That's ignoring(by Neville) the rather shabby way he was treated by SAF, and the fact that the football landscape was changing to the extent that not every footballer wants to spend his entire career at his boyhood club.
Of course he wasn't going to criticise his former manager
Well if you can't see anything by NikleshReddy than you dont know what he's said and you don't know why I've asked the question I have of him.
Perhaps now you can appreciate why the past 30 minutes or so have left me scratching my head.
Exactly what I was getting at with my reference to Nev’s undying loyalty and Pogba being the opposite.
I agree he should probably tone it down but he’s a pundit now and nobody wants to listen pundits who won’t say what they think to protect their former club.
Good on Marcus. Nice to see the support.
It's just a bloody missed penalty as well.
There's no evidence bar media speculation.
Lukaku openly flirted with a move if I were to cite an example
And that's why I don't hate Neville for his comments, it's part of his job. It does bothers me from United's perspective but it could be easily fixed if Ole does what SAF used to do and literally tells Neville to shut up.
Ah, ok, my bad then!
I too do believe it dates a while back when he left us in the first place in 2012.
Apologies to any offence caused
Exactly.
I made a comment in a Pogba thread calling people that want him gone while Matic & Co. still pace them up for stupid saying it’d be just desserts if he left & was given a 2 point warning for not jumping on the bandwagon.
Apparently to be a true united supporter you need to want us to sell our best player for no good reason.
Do you know what is ironic though? The amount of members on this forum who's 'likes' count stopped at exactly 10. Click a few and you will see what I mean.
Hold on, if Pogba flirting with Madrid is such a crime (and let’s be honest, he HAS dropped numerous hints) why didn’t we hear anything from Neville on Rooney who handed in two transfer requests, flirted with City, and generally behaved unprofessionally at numerous points in his career? And I know Rooney’s achievements at united can’t be compared to Pogba but that’s still a massive double standard, especially when his antics directly contributed to us losing the title in 2012. Surely that would have left Neville fuming?
I left this thread last night & rejoin with people still seeking ‘proof’ Neville is a racist despite no one actually saying he is.
The fact people refuse to get their mind around the fact that the criticism of Pogba & the narrative portrayed could perhaps fuel the fire amazes me.
People really do get uncomfortable around race so honestly how can you have a discussion. I mentioned privilege yesterday & people were falling over themselves.
People are literally speaking on behalf of Neville as if he were a family member but no one is calling him what he’s being defended against.
He has a responsibility as a pundit to analyse the game & give his opinion, he does this in a way to Pogba that doesn’t quite correlate with the vast majority of his analysis. Does this mean he is ‘a racist’, no but he has biases [not necessarily racial] that mean his lexis around the man is. . . OTT.
Neville has a right to make his points, he can make good ones but when Pogba is involved he loses all rationale.
The fact people refuse to get their mind around the fact that the criticism of Pogba & the narrative portrayed could perhaps fuel the fire amazes me.
People really do get uncomfortable around race so honestly how can you have a discussion. I mentioned privilege yesterday & people were falling over themselves.
People are literally speaking on behalf of Neville as if he were a family member but no one is calling him what he’s being defended against.
He has a responsibility as a pundit to analyse the game & give his opinion, he does this in a way to Pogba that doesn’t quite correlate with the vast majority of his analysis. Does this mean he is ‘a racist’, no but he has biases [not necessarily racial] that mean his lexis around the man is. . . OTT.
Neville has a right to make his points, he can make good ones but when Pogba is involved he loses all rationale.
Yes there is. He’s been on camera, talking about how he’s ready to move on. Lukaku obviously wanted to leave too but stopped short of telling the press.