At the moment he doesn’t seem to have more than 60 minutes in the tank so I think RR got it right yesterday. But he has to be involved for all the reasons stated above. When he is on it...he is head and shoulders...just wish he was on it more often.
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Unfortunately, when he's in this state of mind, we are far better when he plays.
Completely agree. Dalot has good pace on the right, so I think Pogba playing on the right tucked in and a bit deeper might work okay. And we don't have a decent right winger at the moment with Rashford in this form. Like this:
--------------Cristiano--------------
Sancho------Bruno---------------
------------Fred----------Pogba----
---------------McTominay-------Dalot
Shaw---Lindelof-Varane----------
Though it might hurt Bruno not to have more space. But it would be nice to have an extra player in midfield to actually win the midfield battle, and Pogba probably would create as much as an orthodox right winger unless Rashford somehow looks like his old self again quickly.
We could really do with a half-decent RW who works hard and can play a bit even if he isn't special for the rest of the season, but there's not one in the squad.
Given that he's the only one of our midfielders that can control a ball and make a 10 yard pass consistently, if we do go on to achieve anything this season he'll likely be central to it. Crazy that we've got ourselves in a situation where he could walk for free in a few months time.
Cost of having him on let's say 500k/wk contract for 5 years is 127million. If we get ourselves a midfielder for 60m we can pay him 250k/wk and it will even out.
Makes no sense to keep Pogba.
We've gotten ourselves into a situation where Pogba doesn't want to sign an extension? I doubt that one is on the club.
This only evens out if you can actually find a Pogba-level player for 60 millions this summer though. Pogba, for better or worse, is a known quantity. Potential prospects are not.
Pogba is of known quality, but also inconsistent, injury-prone and 29year old with a history of creating circus around him every few years (through his agent or not). We should not break our wage structure to keep him all things considered.
Well said. The chances of us finding an adequate Pogba replacement are slim. Just look at our recruitment for the past 10 years.
We should keep him which means we can prioritise other areas like DM and two forwards.
Giving 500k to Pogba would be insanity. Even 400k is too much for someone as injury prone as him. He's also turning 29 in a month, so it's unlikely he'll become less injury prone moving forward.
We should at best offer him 350k + bonuses that come with winning the champions league or Premier league or is in the top 5 for balloon d'or. That's it.
Also, I'm convinced that for the money he'd cost us to renew him, we could find a midfielder that's more suitable to our needs. Not necessarily better, but someone who can work better with Bruno in midfield
We should at best offer him 350k + bonuses that come with winning the champions league or Premier league or is in the top 5 for balloon d'or. That's it.
Also, I'm convinced that for the money he'd cost us to renew him, we could find a midfielder that's more suitable to our needs. Not necessarily better, but someone who can work better with Bruno in midfield
Give him a 2 year deal at what he’s earning now take it or leave it. If he was going to get £400k a week anywhere it would have been done by now, but the fact is he’s not worth the risk.
you guys just post anything on here. Why would he sign a two year deal on current wages? Of course he can get more, here or elsewhere. And why would he have signed a deal by now? he has all the leverage. Be it for a new suitor or United.
I think the point being he might not even get his current wages elsewhere. Real Madrid are looking to bring in Mbappe and Haaland, Barca are skint, Juve also couldn’t really afford him, that leaves PSG who may or may not have any interest.
I think without his injuries and more sensible manager who would play him further up the pitch he would be phenomenal or at least much more capable and likable by fans, because he's got it but suffers from being too complete, not playing in his best positions because other players can play only in one.
On another note, despite his injuries have been piling up over the last few seasons, it will still be a shame to loos such a player with an ex factor like him capableof winning the games by himself. we will miss him and replacing him with an average system player might show as a step back. Rather replaying playerswho don't have any exfactor first would be much wiser but the contract situation is unfortunately is what it is now.
People will claim his inconsistency but the same can be said about players like Bruno or Rashford, now Ronaldo, all these player are as inconsistent or more as Pogba has been for us, while playing in more developed team unlike him with Pereira and Lingard pulling the team himself at the beginning. We would have to sell all these and then who would be left, consistently average players, then we should welcome mediocrity and accept what Arsnela have over the last 10 years..
At least there is a hope that if we get rid of him and the wage bill we can try to sign someone to replace him but who knows who would want to go to us. Let's trust our scouting team or perhaps give Hannibal a chance.. a lot of question marks but this team is certainly better with Pogba than without him
On another note, despite his injuries have been piling up over the last few seasons, it will still be a shame to loos such a player with an ex factor like him capableof winning the games by himself. we will miss him and replacing him with an average system player might show as a step back. Rather replaying playerswho don't have any exfactor first would be much wiser but the contract situation is unfortunately is what it is now.
People will claim his inconsistency but the same can be said about players like Bruno or Rashford, now Ronaldo, all these player are as inconsistent or more as Pogba has been for us, while playing in more developed team unlike him with Pereira and Lingard pulling the team himself at the beginning. We would have to sell all these and then who would be left, consistently average players, then we should welcome mediocrity and accept what Arsnela have over the last 10 years..
At least there is a hope that if we get rid of him and the wage bill we can try to sign someone to replace him but who knows who would want to go to us. Let's trust our scouting team or perhaps give Hannibal a chance.. a lot of question marks but this team is certainly better with Pogba than without him
Different situation now but it's not like this didn't happen before haha
If he is so bad that he can't even get his current wage elsewhere with free transfer, then why would Man Utd want to renew his contract? It is hard to imagine Pogba and his agent don't talk to Man Utd for a new contract if they have no concrete offer on hand.
is there a point being made when/if it rests on “he might” and baseless speculation that potential suitors can’t afford him?
It’s not that he’s bad, more he’s not currently necessary for any of the top sides. They don’t need to talk to us right now, they can be patient.
Baseless? Barca are skint that is very well known and Juve have an inflated wage bill - they’re struggling to renew Dybala’s contract and there were multiple reports that they were happy to let Ronaldo leave because they need to balance their books. That leaves PSG and Real as the two most likely.
He obviously would get an improved contract if he were to resign - it would be an insult not to increase his wage. But we already pay him incredible wages, so few clubs would be ready to increase them.
Really the leverage is in the hands or Real or PSG. He wants to leave, we’ve heard as much over the last few years. If Real offered him the same wages as he’s currently on and we offered him inflated wages, what would he choose?
We've basically spent the best part of the last 6 years forcing him into playing as a 6 in a double pivot, and now when we're finally switching to a system which is more natural for him he'll leave us on a free.
Well done to everyone involved.
Well done to everyone involved.
You typing up a bunch of more paragraphs won’t change the fact that the so called point rested on “he might” and baseless speculation that his suitors can’t afford him. Adding qualifiers to xyz clubs, as if you’re privy to their transfer plans and/or if they are the only clubs in the world.
The notion that “we should offer him two more years on his current wages because if he was going to get a better deal elsewhere it would have happened by now” is so comical. Like I said, people just get on here and type anything.
If these are his last few games for us, I will thoroughly enjoy them.
He seems like a good replacement for Modric in Real Madrid to me. Modric is 36. I am sure Real Madrid will look into the free transfer player pool this summer.
Is he better than McFred? Absolutely.
Can we play Bruno and Pogba together in midfield? Not really. At least not against any half decent or better anyway. Can't imagine we will go to Anfield next month and play that combo can you?
Is he worth 400k a week? Not for me.
Its actually pretty embarrassing that 5 years on we still havent found a way as a club of accommodating him. Shocking recruitment from the club.
Can we play Bruno and Pogba together in midfield? Not really. At least not against any half decent or better anyway. Can't imagine we will go to Anfield next month and play that combo can you?
Is he worth 400k a week? Not for me.
Its actually pretty embarrassing that 5 years on we still havent found a way as a club of accommodating him. Shocking recruitment from the club.
I think everyone knows by now money probably is not the reason why he refuse to renew. He "may" even take less money to play elsewhere.
Yeh and I didn’t write that original point, my point was that other clubs may not offer him higher wages than we are currently paying him. But I’m going off of reports and a pretty good understanding of the level of club that he would go to. Which clubs apart from Juve, Barca, Real and PSG do you think he’d be off to then? The only elite club missing from that list is Bayern. Obviously there’s the prem but City and Pool seem v unlikely. It’s pretty well reported Real want Mbappe and Haaland, both of whom will be on huge wages.
I mean we’re on a forum, this is all speculation. Why do you have as much right to say ‘oh him and Raiola hold all the cards’ as if you know what talks they’ve been having. The fact that there isn’t smoke about where he’s going shows no club has really pushed the boat out for him yet and are putting on a public charm offensive, like they used to do with him.
Depends where he goes. If he goes to Real Madrid, fair enough, it seems like he's been obsessed with them for a while so I'd get it.
If he goes to PSG, though, it'll be for the money. I think he even said he would not play for them because he's a Marseille fan
He has been underwhelming for us add in the injuries and massive wages it’s a tough situation but if we met him go and keep McFred it will tell you everything about this club
I remember him saying his parents were Marseille fans and that he watched them regularly. Never heard that he was a devoted fan himself to the point he would reject playing for Paris because of that connexion. Sounds awkward. Actually, some players played for the 2 clubs. Our very own Heinze for example.
One of the things that amuses me is that people get worked up over the money we pay him and what we have to pay for a contact renewal! Seriously! who really cares? We are up to our necks in debts so why should how much we pay really matter? So silly
So why did you reply to me with "point being" when that initial point was what I was contesting? Are you ok?
He does hold the cards
He can sign for whichever club on a free. Again, are you ok?Do you think things only happen when/if journalists report them?
and I don't think speculation is inherently wrong. I do find it comical when people make ridiculous assertions like "we should offer him two years on current wages, if he was going to get a better deal it would have happened by now" or "the fact that there isn't any smoke shows no club has pushed the boat" type nonsense or think a point is being made by having "he might" and arbitrary reasons as to why he can't/won't join certain clubs. "b-b-but Real want Mbappe and Haaland" as if that's mutually exclusive with them securing Pogba on a free deal and high wages or something. "Bayern is missing, these look unlikely, PSG remains to be seen, but I promise I'm making a point. trust me"
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I don't get the argument that he's not getting offers from elsewhere.
If no one else was interested in him on terms he could potentially accept he'd be rushing to take Uniteds offer. As things stand he has got all the leverage so can eek out as much as possible from any deal he ends up taking. The more performances he puts in of a high standard between now and the end of the season the more leverage he has.
If no one else was interested in him on terms he could potentially accept he'd be rushing to take Uniteds offer. As things stand he has got all the leverage so can eek out as much as possible from any deal he ends up taking. The more performances he puts in of a high standard between now and the end of the season the more leverage he has.
Pogba will end up staying because all other top teams are stacked in midfield. He will get offers from elsewhere but may not match United's offer as ironically we need him more than Real Madrid and PSG. Juventus can't afford anything close to what we offered him and their midfield needs aren't as bad. This is the principal reason he didn't sign any pre-contract agreements in January.
It directly affects that. La Liga has introduced quite severe financial regulations on its clubs. It’s not an arbitrary point, it’s one directly related to the reality of a clubs finances. Real have spent the past three seasons balancing their books. They aren’t just about to go and destroy their wage bill.So why did you reply to me with "point being" when that initial point was what I was contesting? Are you ok?
He does hold the cards
Do you think things only happen when/if journalists report them?
and I don't think speculation is inherently wrong. I do find it comical when people make ridiculous assertions like "we should offer him two years on current wages, if he was going to get a better deal it would have happened by now" or "the fact that there isn't any smoke shows no club has pushed the boat" type nonsense or think a point is being made by having "he might" and arbitrary reasons as to why he can't/won't join certain clubs. "b-b-but Real want Mbappe and Haaland" as if that's mutually exclusive with them securing Pogba on a free deal and high wages or something. "Bayern is missing, these look unlikely, PSG remains to be seen, but I promise I'm making a point. trust me"
You also have to remember that Madrid is required to balance budgets every season. The wages this year have increased given that wage cuts are no longer in force. The costs associated with stadium upkeep and cost of merchandising operations with clubs stores etc also returns.
The stadium construction costs have also increased with addition of more loans which become payable starting 2023.
There is a lot of factors to consider overall. The issue isn’t the Mbappe signing. Which will proceed without any hitches. It is the signing of Haaland in addition to Mbappe. You have to factor is €75m transfer fee (€15m assuming a 5 year contract) plus wages which will be around €20m after tax at least. Plus the money spent in signing bonus and agent fees.
Plus Haaland and Mbappe aren’t the two only two players Madrid wants to sign. They want to sign a CB and a defensive midfielder (most likely target is Tchouameni). Also a RB.
So yes you could call all of that an ‘arbitrary’ reason as to why they most likely wouldn’t be offering Pogba an increase in wages. We could also do a deep dive into Juve’s finances if you want, or Barca’s? But surely that’s well known enough.
And he doesn’t hold ‘all’ the cards. If a club actively knows you want to play for them they can offer you less money or perhaps the clubs he wants can’t actually afford his wage demands. He can make a decision as to where he goes, but he won’t be forcing a club like Real’s hand when it comes to the wages they offer him.
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Currently I feel pogba is compensating the lack of a quality DM position in our midfield through his superior output. Our best midfield in recent history was Herrera - Matic - Pogba.
Personally I would like him to renew his contract and play along with a quality DM and new manager.
Personally I would like him to renew his contract and play along with a quality DM and new manager.
Only if Pogba stays fit and happy, which isn't the case at all since his arrival in 2016?
As previously stated, more paragraphs do not add validity to what you’re saying.
Real reportedly wanting Mbappe and Haaland is not mutually exclusive with/does not mean they will not bag Pogba. I don’t know what’s not registering.
This is turning into a silly dance of you just shooting more wall of texts at me to justify the previous unnecessary and hollow wall of text. Pogba holds the cards as he can sign for whichever club/proposal he finds more enticing, sure Real can “think” he wants to play for them, but if the money isn’t adding up he can sign somewhere else where it will. And it will. Again, the notion that he would renew at United at his current wages because “if he was to get a better deal elsewhere, it would have happened by now, is ridiculous. Which is what I replied to. Save your keyboard strokes.
Again I didn’t say he’d renew at United with his current wages, more it’s entirely possible he doesn’t improve his wages elsewhere. If he does resign with United it will be on improved terms because it would be an insult for us not to give him higher wages.
A detailed account of Madrid’s financial situation and why they most probably don’t have the financial resources to add another 290k a week player on top of Haaland and Mbappe does add validity. It’s not mutually exclusive, it’s mutually relevant. People aren’t signed in a vacuum. Other signings impact signings. It’s almost as if money is a finite resource.
‘You’re making baseless claims’
‘Here’s the base to that claim’
‘Nope that’s just nothing’
Bruno is quite inconsistent, Pogba is slightly inconsistent in a way his top level is fantastic, but 90% of the time he's a bit meh with occasional brilliance and the same number of brain farts. He seems to be the same for France, just playing for dominant team and with two supporting midfielders, and obviously national football speed suits him much more than EPL.
There are many factors in favor of Bruno though (age, injury record, no fuss about his contract situation every season). Probably on much lower wages than Pogba too so I have no issue with him.
EDIT: calling Ronaldo and Rashford "inconsistent" is very kind of you, if we consider this season at least.
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Same 1 good game in 10 nonsense rearing it’s head.
Gotta love Pogba, on one report he’s happier at the club since returning and then a report from the telegraph that he’s prepared to sign for another premiership club. His team are a bunch of irritating trolls. As good as he can be, I’ve been sick and tired of his nonsense 3 years ago.
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