royboy16
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Yeah surprised it wasnt one of those.Kante or Varane were probably MOTM but Pogba was very good himself tonight, not perfect but very good
Yeah surprised it wasnt one of those.Kante or Varane were probably MOTM but Pogba was very good himself tonight, not perfect but very good
5 years of excuses tends to temper expectations tbhAfter a game like that, if you're coming in here to try and temper any hype about Pogba (who is indeed our own fecking player), that says it all.
He added a negative caveat after that comment and ignored several other pieces of defensive work that he didn’t with other players. Listen you always come in with these comments probably because they suit your negative narrative, whereas I have a different view.He also said Pogba is terrific for France and praised him for 2 particular long balls, one of which led to the goal.
You can pick and choose your examples to suggest a fake narrative or you can look at everything alley said and realized he's not out for blood against Pogba.
That's a different debate. But the answer isn't planting Bruno at CM just so you give Pogba more licence to roam.Well we need to progress. Our system is limited to how far it can get us! Two limited DMs is well very limiting.
If we play two DMs they need to be very very good on the ball. Ours aren't.
I agree, his main weakness is his stamina. You can see he gets gassed at about 65-ish mins, which I assume is normal for such a big guy with many bursts of explosiveness throughout the match.Was very good today. On the defensive side he doesn’t run enough but did well to win the ball back using his strength
What negative narrative? Pogba had a good game. Pogba had a heavy touch on one occasion. Pogba plays very well for France. Pogba played some magnificent balls today.He added a negative caveat after that comment and ignored several other pieces of defensive work that he didn’t with other players. Listen you always come in with these comments probably because they suit your negative narrative, whereas I have a different view.
He added a negative caveat after that comment and ignored several other pieces of defensive work that he didn’t with other players. Listen you always come in with these comments probably because they suit your negative narrative, whereas I have a different view.
10s tend to drift but to be clear, Griezmann was very much part of a front 3. Bruno isn't a player who will play on the left over Rashford nor on the right over Sancho. He'd likely play in his best position which is 10, with licence to roam.
He doesn't. The poster is chatting shit and making things up. McCoist praised Pogba on about 3 different occasions, pointed out a slightly heavy touch in the offside goal, and the poster reacted like he burned his house down.McCoist is one of the nicest most jovial media figures around. Loves a character.
Why would he decide to have a problem with Pogba?
I have to disagree. I agree with your sentiment of people over playing Pogbas brillance the second half of the season when he has simply been decent and good at times. But take away those decisive moment and Fernandes has actually been very poor thesecond half of the season and far sloppier than Pogba which is something Pogba gets aimed at him very often and rightly so.
How Fernandes got player of the season this past year is beyond me personally. I think he has actually been very much a similar player in terms of giving the ball away badly and not playing to hs potential consistently that we criticise Pogba for
Bruno doesn't need to adapt to shit because he's not the problem. You don't take your best assets just to "do a job" in midfield. That's not how competing works.Well Bruno will have to adapt as the double pivot + a number 10 bullshit has to stop if we want to compete. I think he could do a job in a 4-3-3 as much as further forward. Just as Pogba.
He doesn't. The poster is chatting shit and making things up. McCoist praised Pogba on about 3 different occasions, pointed out a slightly heavy touch in the offside goal, and the poster reacted like he burned his house down.
Who is?Bruno doesn't need to adapt to shit because he's not the problem. You don't take your best assets just to "do a job" in midfield. That's not how competing works.
Yep. They're both brilliant players. Pogba more silky on the ball, Bruno more relentless with the work rate and direct in his play. Against a large amount of teams it'd be fine if we get a quality defensive mid, but in the big games it just won't work unless we had Kante with them. Even then not convinced. Neither are the possession players, players who dictate the tempo. Both are players who sprinkle the quality and give that attacking burst, which is fine and how Ole used them to end the season was good... except we didn't have enough quality in the midfield behind them, and Greenwood isn't at that level yet on the right. And Rashford can't play on the right. So I just don't see a long term solution to Pogba and Bruno, but anyway I doubt it'll need to be an issue for long. He'll leave this summer or next summer, unfortunately we haven't been able to get the best out of him and never had the right set up around him, but at least we got Bruno in and with Sancho coming hopefully, I don't think it'll be a huge loss. We definitely need to sort out the midfield though.Playing Bruno and Pogba as two central midfielders is only going to work in a very well coached system where we barely give the ball away. That's the only way it worked for the likes of say, KDB and B Silva.
Ole doesn't coach such systems and neither of those players, as good as they are, retain the ball quite as well. They are more direct in their play so planting them BOTH at CM will ask for trouble.
Great comparison between an attacking forward player who takes penalties and midfield playmaker.Maybe because Bruno has scored 26 in 1.5 seasons.
To put that into context - Pogba has scored 28 in 5... I can see why..
Occasionally he pulls off the same great stuff yeah. People are talking about his energy/effort/effectiveness level though, which seems to take a step up with France. It may be because he’s in a better team and has more freedom though as has been mentioned, but it’s a talking pointHe does the same stuff for us very often but in a worse team, so most of our agenda-driven fans don't notice.
It's our other two midfielders. So you either put Pogba in more of a Rabiot role, or you move him on.Who is?
While fans in here are using Bruno as a stick to beat Pogba with here's man himself
I initially thought this was more on the coaches, but then again Bruno played exactly like this is the Portugal match today.Unsurprisingly brilliant again today. I've said plenty of times that the answer to providing Pogba with the platform for these performances is a capable and confident DM (Kante) next to him that doesn't shit himself when passed the ball. Fred can chase and tackle (even though he's positionally shit) but he's clearly not good when pressured on the ball. Bruno has a bad tendency as the 3rd midfielder to disconnect too much from the pivot and play as a second striker as well, which is why in games like Villareal we get this shit 4-2-4 type set up that doesn't offer anyone in pockets of space to drag defenders out. It's partly on Bruno, and majority on getting that DM in that allows us to play without avoiding passing certain players the ball for fear of them fecking up.
While fans in here are using Bruno as a stick to beat Pogba with here's man himself
We will see. I’m not sure Bruno is the answer either, not for the biggest prizes. His numbers so far have been great but his performances for me often don’t match his stats and impact the team.It's our other two midfielders. So you either put Pogba in more of a Rabiot role, or you move him on.
Pogba is unhappy with us partly because he doesn't play in the advanced central role he wants, so it seems from his latest quotes as a preference. But no chance he takes that remit over Bruno. So although Pogba is also not a problem, he's not going to be a solution. Not least because he wants out anyway.
If it were up to me ideally I would see him stay and play him as a piviot with a better DM. But no chance in hell I take Bruno away from the 10.
I agree with your last paragraph. The way he finished the season, he was way too peripheral. He needs to be more involvedI initially thought this was more on the coaches, but then again Bruno played exactly like this is the Portugal match today.
The strange thing is when he first came he was dictating and connecting a lot more than he does now, but then he became very focused on making runs to directly score or assist. I much prefer the previous version he showed.
I initially thought this was more on the coaches, but then again Bruno played exactly like this is the Portugal match today.
The strange thing is when he first came he was dictating and connecting a lot more than he does now, but then he became very focused on making runs to directly score or assist. I much prefer his previous, more controlled play.
Great comparison between an attacking forward player who takes penalties and midfield playmaker.
Hilarious seeing fans use them for agendas against each other while in real life they likely facetime each other every nightA lot of fanbois do take the internet debates too seriously tbh when the players themselves must be laughing at them
That's interesting. Would you be able to break those stats down to per game?Is it..I was simply saying I can see why he got Player of the season. I didn't compare I just put it into context - before Bruno did Pogba not miss a couple of penalties?
Anyway...
Playmaker Hay.
Bruno = 19 in 1.5 seasons
Pogba = 14 in 2.5 seasons (half season when he was injured)