One of the beauties of football is that its a simple game and sometimes that allows complete amateurs to see stuff managers can't.
I'm with you in saying for ages that he's not a CM and off the left is his best position.
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One of the beauties of football is that its a simple game and sometimes that allows complete amateurs to see stuff managers can't.
I'm with you in saying for ages that he's not a CM and off the left is his best position.
I remember that video because Keane was talking non-sense. And you took it seriously because you have the same hate. The UCL Pogba was only given a chance to played as starter once against RB Leipzig and we won 5-0 and he made an assist. The Leicester he got an assist for Greenwood’s goal.It makes no-sense why Keane criticised Pogba for our UCL exit and FA Cup exit. You are on the same page as him, can you give explanation why?
People asked you a question. They even said separate from pogba yet you still avoid it completely.
You know what is being asked but you know it will destroy your whole argument it's actually funny to witness like when a guy has been called out by his girlfriend for cheating
Mind boggling.
Brilliant player and great game last night.
I have been critical in the past about his attitude and the noise around him with his agent but there's no denying his quality.
I have been critical in the past about his attitude and the noise around him with his agent but there's no denying his quality.
Threadbanned for taking up a reasonable position in the midst of people getting over-excited about a recent uptick in form vs five years of mediocrity sprinkled with a handful of performances living up to the billing?
Some weird stuff going on there.
Keep your head up @Nou_Camp99.
Not for his position, no. If anything I agree with the idea that his time here been mostly average with not enough top performances in there (though they seem to be getting more consistent).
For coming in here after every good game he has to shoot down others who are just enjoying having watched him play really well? For being argumentative and then ignoring points/questions people are putting to him? For a constant spew of negativity in the thread since last year? Yes for all of that.
Yes that was an issue. Maturity too. Looks to be he has matured, can play several positions now competently, and puts in a shift.
If his current form is anything to go by we have perhaps the most unique midfielder in the world. He is starting to dominate opponents and we should do what we can to keep him here.
Keep him and Sign Rice. Then we are laughing
He is going for more slide tackles these days.
He seems like he is more involved in a match when playing in positions that needs less overall involvement like at LM/LCM over CDM in a double pivot.
He seems like he is more involved in a match when playing in positions that needs less overall involvement like at LM/LCM over CDM in a double pivot.
Keeping him and Cavani would be as good as any signing we could make over summer.
In fairness to him he tracked the run and covered left back, worked hard defensively all game but was unfortunate to have his arms up whilst sliding, don’t think it was intentional.
this is sadly so so true
Honestly, if all we did was sign Pogba and Cavani to new deals this summer and sign nothing. It would still be a bad summer, but it wouldn't be the worst.
If we sell Pogba, we could sign 3 replacements and not one would be able to touch an in-form Pogba. He's the Charizard of footballers
If we sell Pogba, we could sign 3 replacements and not one would be able to touch an in-form Pogba. He's the Charizard of footballers
Thank you, beautifully put. I don't think many people would disagree with Pogba not being anywhere near world class (average is spot on I'd say) in his time with us. And I don't think there were many people arguing against that either. So what's the need to post like 30 messages making the same point right after he's had a good game? That's just being miserable for the sake of it.
I will say, though, some of the posters arguing with him are just as to blame...
I agree. Let Raiola run his fat mouth. As long as he stays here and performs I'm fine with it
I see.
For whatever it's worth, bolded part I'd understand. The other points, I don't see it at least in the past few pages. He/she's been very consistent across them. It's actually the other posters who are 'twisting and turning' and putting words in his/her mouth i.e. he/she argues that for the money Pogba should be scoring/assisting more; other posters: derp-derp-well-did-INieSta-score-lots-huh.
It's important to remember this is a player who's behaved horrendously towards the club, and worst of all, did so in a cowardly fashion via his agent. This tells you loads about the player's personality.
For people who still don't understand, SAF had him pegged from the get go. The Rafael/Park-in-midfield game for example was a very specific test for narcissistic traits, and he failed it. The derp-derp-but-SAF-offered-him-a-contract-obviously-he-wanted-him-to-stay-derp-derp people don't understand that SAF knew that contract would be turned down.
I wonder if the way forward and accommodating him alongside would be playing a 3-4-2-1 with him and Bruno behind Cavani covered by Fred and McTom or preferably someone who is a bit more skilled on the ball than those two next season.
I feel like this could really work, especially if we are really in for Pau Torres who would fit in very well on the left side of the CB trio.
Cavani
Pogba -- Bruno
Shaw ---- ?????? ---- Fred ---- AWB
Torres -- Maguire -- Lindelof
Henderson
Pogba -- Bruno
Shaw ---- ?????? ---- Fred ---- AWB
Torres -- Maguire -- Lindelof
Henderson
I feel like this could really work, especially if we are really in for Pau Torres who would fit in very well on the left side of the CB trio.
The sense of delusion of grandeur that it takes to sit somewhere and imagine that you know, to the exclusion of all others, of a grand theory behind SAF's actions is pure comedy.
Yeah, it's really weird how other people besides SAF are involved in top-level organizational management. Also, good job puling the 'to the exclusion of all others' out of your ass. Never said that, never would.
Some incredible mental gymnastics and an astounding lack of understanding about football here.
Some incredible mental gymnastics and an astounding lack of understanding about football here.
Come up with some specifics and maybe there can be a discussion.
Are you actually comparing yourself as a manager to Alex Ferguson?
Totally. You must be the smartest person in your neighborhood to have made that leap.
Why can't Pogba and Iniesta be compared? They played the same positions, as the the most advanced CM in a 3 or out on the LW.
Then for you to claim to have intimate knowledge of SAF's decision making a decade ago is just beyond delusional.
Have you thread banned him?
You do realize that management techniques are applicable across many fields, right? For example, if you're a drug-kingpin, and there's this talented but dangerous uppity low-level dealer who thinks he should be in charge of more than he is, and you test his loyalty out by giving more product to someone who everyone knows is inferior to him and he flips out, then you know where his priorities lie.
If you can't grasp that, don't worry about it.
@Solius, keep in mind, this is exactly the type of cringey stuff that you have to realize isn't nou_camp vacillating and 'avoiding'. There's no way anyone can consistenly respond to non-sequiturs/strawmen like this. I gave the iniesta thing as an example of specifically how like nou_camp can't possibly respond and someone just takes it literally and comes in with maximum derpage thinking I was arguing that, too. Totally understand moderating isn't easy. Just saying that across the past few pages, nou_camp was being very consistent and not avoiding/ignoring. I understand I may not have seen long-term abusive behavior on his/her part.
I didn't think people were allowed to have 2 accounts?
Okay, so:
1. Being involved in top-level management does not mean, for an instant, that you have any insight into how SAF did what he did. Not all top-level managers are equally good, nor do they apply the same tactics in man-management. You have therefore made no argument whatsoever.
2. The reasoning of your attempted argument is faulty in that, the purpose of a test would be to acquire some information in order to guide decision-making, and you cannot show what decision SAF took based on the results of the supposed test.
a. If SAF tested Pogba and knew he would leave, then it was futile to offer him a contract to stay, knowing he would leave. Why would SAF do this? This act could not logically be linked to any outcome from the supposed test unless you are saying that SAF did not want Pogba to realize that he wanted him gone. Again, why would SAF feel that way?
b. If the purpose of the test was to establish his character, and it was established that he was a narcissist, then offering him a contract either meant SAF wanted narcissists around or, again, committed an inexplicable act.
So which is it?
Pogba is playing for a new contract.
Enjoy the stellar form while it lasts.
Enjoy the stellar form while it lasts.
Don't really get this.
Does anyone really think we ever wouldn't have offered him a contract and that it would not have been a big one?
I think there's a discussion to be had about Pogba looking disinterested under Mourinho, even if I don't necessarily agree with that notion, but I don't think I've once seen Pogba look like he's not giving it his 100% for Solskjaer.
Pogba's playing in a team with a lot of very good players so it's not entirely surprising his form has been so good this season, having lots of good players just raises the collective level of the team. I predict if we add another really good defensive midfielder then he, and the team, will look even better. Rashford, Shaw, Fernandes, Cavani and Pogba have all pulled their weight this season.
Another thing, and maybe it’s just me - but I also feel when watching him as one of the most skilful players in the game, a great sense of pride in that ‘this came from our academy’. I remember watching Pogba on MUTV every week as a kid. And I think, personally, that it makes me even more proud to have a player of his profile come from our academy. Over the last few decades the insinuation is always that English clubs produce homegrown hardworking future captain runners and supplement them with supreme gifted signings from abroad. I’m proud that this kind of quality was in our youth set up, albeit not from the age of 8.
I really hope he signs a new contract. It feels like we're really just a couple players away from a title, even facing down a city squad as good as it is. Pogba is an important part of that.
Been very Pogba out last few seasons. Starting to change my mind. Maybe he can still do it at United
God this is painful reading. Thread completely derailed. It’s possible to be in two minds about Pogba too. Sometimes he’s great, occasionally world class and occasionally stinks the joint out.
He’s been really good this season when fit and has earned a few results for the team due to his individual brilliance. Having been in the “get rid” camp for a long time I now think we should offer him a big contract.
I might have a different view next week. It’s not religion lads, chill out, these are just footballers you are arguing about. They don’t care half a much as you idiots.
He’s been really good this season when fit and has earned a few results for the team due to his individual brilliance. Having been in the “get rid” camp for a long time I now think we should offer him a big contract.
I might have a different view next week. It’s not religion lads, chill out, these are just footballers you are arguing about. They don’t care half a much as you idiots.
Class. Glad to see more and more want him to remain.
Getting him to renew is one of the most important pieces of business we can do this summer imo.
No matter how good our recruitment is this summer it will massively tainted for me if we lose Pogba.
We simply won’t replace him and we are SO close to having a team that can compete at the top, a team that will really get the maximum out of Pogba. To lose him now would be such a shame and a step backwards.
Getting him to renew is one of the most important pieces of business we can do this summer imo.
No matter how good our recruitment is this summer it will massively tainted for me if we lose Pogba.
We simply won’t replace him and we are SO close to having a team that can compete at the top, a team that will really get the maximum out of Pogba. To lose him now would be such a shame and a step backwards.
Except your flip flapping back and forth and the aggressive way many do so on this forum stinks the place out.
Ive backed him consistently, I don’t necessarily feel vindicated becuase im used to being right
It’s when you get the ‘he’s trash’ and ‘playing for a move’ with the rest of the general OTT reactions thats grating for many.
I think this is where a lot of the Pogba hatred stems from actually. He was one of our own, left the club rather doing it the "United way" (for betterment of his career) and then the club paid a huge fee to bring him back. They've never been able to get over that he left the club.
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