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Probably one of the worst posts I've ever seen on the caf!
"He is still inexperienced". Seriously hate statements like these especially when used for something that doesn't apply. It feels like it has become some sort of cliché to just wrote how x or y player is still inexperienced.
Pogba has played at the top level since he was 19-20, was a started at a top European club(Juventus) for 3-4 years and went on to play the CL final while winning many Serie A titles.
The guy has been playing top level football in top teams for 5 years as a started and there are still statements about him being inexperienced. I mean come now.
Before start hating by accusing other about hating, don't haste. The French posters here would know me better about how I appreciate Pogba. I just call him how he is. Inexperienced. He can have how many years as professional but as leader he's still young & at time let him emotion take over & he started making bad decision. He may have the leader talent but he never has chance to make use of it at top level since he's only part of Juvenile team who had many leaders
So what you mean is, he's inexperienced as a leader. He's not inexperienced as a midfielder however, unless you're comparing him to players much older than him.
I would say he lacks a bit of maturity in his play, like he likes to showboat which is fine as it entertains the fan but ultimately is going to tailor his game to be more effective and less about tricks.
Yeah that I'll agree. I think it is partly due to the pressure as well, he seems to think he has to be flashy to justify his price tag.
Mostly it's just about a little bit better decision making regarding which situations he can try to solve with a trick and when he should just find the quick pass out.
As leader & main man running the midfielder. He had one season where he was the core of Juventus midfield, but n different type of midfield, where there was Marchisio to help him. Since midway in the EURO, he has been on learning curve to play in midfield 2 & despite his natural football brain to feel for the game, he has a lot of rough to iron out from his game playing this role. Unfornate for him, he can't just learn from his partner given those guy also new to this 2 men midfield, so it's tougher.
I think he came a long way last year though, he seemed much better in a two man midfield in the latter months of the season. He's evolving into a player who will be comfortable in both two and three man midfields, as long as he's paired with a proper holding midfielder. Which is good for us as we don't seem to know yet which system we'll play.
So this is how most debates devolve into childish jibes throwing. Here I am trying to argue a point(which you incorrectly made) and your reply start with something about haters and all that nonsense.
Where in my previous post was it mentioned or even implied that anyone is some sort of hater or whatever else names used on these boards constant back and forth silly arguments?
Please let not stray away from the main point and stay on topic. I have no intention of taking this debate that way. My point was pretty simple and clear regardless of your sentiment about Pogba. Calling him inexperienced is simply wrong and doesn't apply.
Pogba is the complete opposite of an inexperienced player given he's been playing at the top level for more than half a decade. Your assessment was simply wrong which I pointed out, nothing to do with any of that silliness where we call each other haters and what else.
Who used "hate statement" in his post? My eyes must deceive me huh?
Playing half decade or not, he is new to 2 men midfield. Different midfield set ups are a whole new thing. If not coaches, would be able to change tactic on the wink just like in video game where you only consider stats then can play players with different role at ease. If he is not inexperienced, he would have been much better equipped to mark Lovren in set piece in L'pool game. Italian clubs don't deal with aerial threat as much nor Pogba was tasked with marking opposition strongest aerial threat. Juventus appointed other players for that task.
I agree. He is getting there & with he has ability to do everything as midfielder. Getting accustomed/ proper experienced in different tactic, set up would be very useful in long run. There would be times where it's all about gaining edge by outwit your opponent.
As my initial point was, he is yet to pull out all his potential consistently. He is consistent at good level, once his consistent is at his full potential, then we're talking about one of the best midfielder of his generation, and the most complete one at that.
It's funny to see the utter vitriol and hate towards Fellaini on his thread but the justification of Pogba on here.
By United standards, Pogba was poor last season.
By top European standards, he was really poor.
By world record transfer standards, he was atrocious.
I don't buy that he's inexperienced. He went to Juve, played alongside top players, won leagues/titles etc. and came back.
I would expect from that time in Italy a top player who can fit in and play from the get-go.
What we got was a confused looking boy who dominated few games and wasn't even be considered for the PL XI for last season let alone in the top world players bracket.
He's the most expensive player in the history of football playing for Man Utd. I expect to see performances that reflect that this season.
By United standards, Pogba was poor last season.
By top European standards, he was really poor.
By world record transfer standards, he was atrocious.
I don't buy that he's inexperienced. He went to Juve, played alongside top players, won leagues/titles etc. and came back.
I would expect from that time in Italy a top player who can fit in and play from the get-go.
What we got was a confused looking boy who dominated few games and wasn't even be considered for the PL XI for last season let alone in the top world players bracket.
He's the most expensive player in the history of football playing for Man Utd. I expect to see performances that reflect that this season.
Fellaini hate is funny. What's funnier is posts like yours. So much hyperbole and devoid of any objectivity. Phrases like 'confused looking boy' and most of the other drivel is nothing but a deliberate attempt to downplay Pogba like he has wronged you personally.
Apart from a couple of months, Pogba was easily one of our most consistent performers and the class showed over and over again when collectively we were poor throughout the season. Most of our creativity repeatedly came from him.He isn't inexperienced, but he definitely is as a leader and there are other aspects that he needs to improve. Football is a team sport. Pogba won't be in the best 11 if the team finishes 6th and that had very little to do with Pogba.
Pogba, DDG and KDB are the three outstanding talents in the premiership that would start for any team in the world imo.
Saying that I hate a certain type of generic trend is far from me accusing anyone of hating or being a hater, and I'm sure you're already aware of this.
And you put forth another poor argument. Playing at the very top level involves a lot of tactical shifts and positional structure. Players are not simply expected to have constant role and that's that.
Players be it defenders, midfielders or attackers go through all these different formation shape and easily adapt because it's part of the game. Playing from a midfield 3 to 2 isn't something otherworldly that would require an experienced professional midfielder to struggle to make the change.
Formations change all the time. Defenders play in back 4 or 3, strikers play as lone striker or with 2 etc. Your talks of inexperience simply don't make sense.
And showboating or doing some piece of fancy skills doesn't equate to inexperience, that's simply the wrong way of looking at things.
You're assuming and projecting you wishful thinking instead what happened. For quite large portion of his time at Juventus, Pogba had a lesser role in Juventus midfield. He was less burden with defensive duty or picking up ball from defender. It showed that he has been getting better defensively toward the end of this past season with us than when he first came.
Your whole post pretty much based on this wishful thinking. Players' natural game maybe suited for certain style. Majority are only expcpected to carry a specific role as specialist. There are very few who is complete & capable of switching roles at will. Even these need experience to do so.
There is a reason behind Cruyff making 4-3-3 with 3 men midfield as mandatory formation for Barcelona system. Spanish players for most part is inferior physiquely. They can't expect to run the midfield through sheer physical strait that is box to box 2 men midfield. Same thing goes with wide players. They can't expect to produce the type of out out winger to cover the flank and still influential in attacking phase, hence narrower, drifting type of wide players.
This line of thinking about players can switch role easily is pretty much what you initially accused me: British cliche about players with some strait can move to other role once their main role decline. It's where failure like Rooney & Gerrard as deep midfielder happened. Scholes always showed his ability to run a game. He was not moved there just because he had declined and he needed to be fit in somewhere.
Formations are nothing new. The new blend of different tactics to bring players' strength to the formation is the key. Atletico 4-4-2 is one hell different than those SAF used, and it's not just mere attackng vs counter attacking, since Arsenal used to have their own version of neck breaking speed counter attacking 4-4-2. Griezmann when he plays as sole central,forward for Atletico is different from RVN ( who is different from Cole, Saha...), and different from Henry
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Pogba is not inexperienced by any definition of the word. You've got to perform all sorts of mental gymnastics to reach that conclusion.
He has flair but I don't think I've ever seen him do any trick or skill for United that wasn't an effective thing to do in the situation. Can't speak to what he may or may not have been like at Juve as obviously I only saw some of his games there.
Perhaps you should try those exercise yourself...
Ask yourself why did people here were moaning about Pogba couldn't play in midfield 2 for a long period this past season, then eventually he came out good with it. No, they didn't take have no point given he barely played in that role at all with Juventus. They just failed to realize he has the talent as complete midfielder to tackle on that & learn.
Feel like the revisionism here is strong now. At one point Pogba can't do no good despite evidence. Now he can't do no wrong despite the contrast showing his development. Oh, there was a thread discussing about Pogba's transformation under Mourinho.
Of course, he hits the post again after that shot.
Definitely the vice-captain
Such a nice strike
Excited to see him at his best this term. Seems to have matured a lot during the last year and looks ready to go, with a good pre season under his belt. Becoming vice captain will benefit everyone in the team and I can see him thrive under that extra responsibility.
Hopefully Neymar becoming the most expensive player ever will in a way relieve him of some pressure. You could see he was trying to do too much at times and his best came when he was naturally playing his game.
I totally agree with you. The level of negativity and vitriol direct at some players is nothing sort of embarrassing. Of course fans will have their favourites but I don't understand the glee or urge to criticise the team, the manager or the players (or Ed) as soon as something even remotely negative takes place.
It is sickening the level of hate and dislike you can find in the Lingard and Fellaini threads. We know that these players are not the same class as Pogba or Zlatan, but the depth of negative sentiment that permeates those threads is as you say, toxic.
Although he hasn't scored in pre season, he looks like a much bigger goal threat. I think we should expect a decent goal tally from him.
He's been in sensational form this pre season, but I must admit it is tinged with a little sadness at seeing how much better than the rest of them he is. I know someone has to be the best, but I'm so desperate for just one more player on a similar level.
It's a similar feeling to when De Gea was winning all the awards and Madrid were circling. I'm sure many reds almost felt that he deserved to move on, as he was too good for the team. I don't think Pogba is as accomplished as De Gea yet, as there are still more question marks, but if he continues this kind of form into the big games, others will need to rise a bit.
It's a similar feeling to when De Gea was winning all the awards and Madrid were circling. I'm sure many reds almost felt that he deserved to move on, as he was too good for the team. I don't think Pogba is as accomplished as De Gea yet, as there are still more question marks, but if he continues this kind of form into the big games, others will need to rise a bit.
That could be Martial if he finds his sharpness but we've others with potential to link up with him well. Maybe we lack a GREAT winger but the windows not closed yet - or perhaps someone will take their chance.
The better he becomes the more he will pull everyone up with him. We do however need a second in command talisman for when Pogba is injured.
His father's death could have matured and focused him in the same way it did Cristiano Ronaldo; his performance against England for France immediately after it exhibited the level of intensity that should be his default mentality.
I do rate his potential, but the praise he's got this preseason is hyperbolic. The Barcelona highlights that everyone has adopted as porn are chaotic; long runs to nowhere, plenty of intercepted Hollywood balls. He's got a lot to learn about his role as a deeper midfield player.
Matic will be a bigger asset to United this season than Pogba will; a proper footballer effectively performing a clearly defined role within the team. He'll be a key ingredient of the cake which Pogba will only ever be the icing on.
I have similar faith in Martial, probably more than his manager does sadly.
@GifLord Can we have a GIF of that bit of skill early in the 2nd half where he dribbles passed his marker then rolls the ball sideways then cruyffs it back passed him? absolutely sensational ball work 
@GifLord Can we have a GIF of that bit of skill early in the 2nd half where he dribbles passed his marker then rolls the ball sideways then cruyffs it back passed him? absolutely sensational ball work
This it?
Some of Pogba's highlights from our USA tour.
Wth???
Its not a good return. Modric and Iniesta play a different role and offer control and tempo which they do superior to Pogba. Pogba will not offer what Modric brings to a game
It's called a lack of concentration. I'm sure throughout youth team and 1st team level, Paul would've learned how to mark somebody without losing them
He will if played with the right players. Modric and Iniesta have world class CMs/DMs supporting them.
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